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Posted: 1/4/2008 5:35:58 AM EDT
| I am building a varmint rig its the rra pred. pursuit 20bbl I have everything I need to complete except a trigger. I have the standard that came in the rra lpk but I think I'm going to go with a drop in. I have narrowed it to these the CMC, Timney, JP, and Jard or any others that I may have left out this is my first ar so I don't have a clue as to which one to go with.. All suggestions and opinions wanted pos or neg...Thanks |
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get the Geissele but spend the extra for the adjustable, based on the rig you describe. I've had almost all of them but now I have 5 Geissele triggers. 2 Service Rifle and 3 DMR. I have 2 high end grunt grade rigs that are awaiting the new version described above. Geissele - they have made trigger selection easy. |
| I have no experience with the Geissele, but I have heard they are superb. I have 2 JP triggers and one RRA 2-stage. For 3-gun and tacticool stuff, I prefer my JP triggers. Very clean break, and reliable. Fairly inexpensive (with Brownells discount) and easy to install / fit. If I were buying another trigger, it would be another JP. |
I've got the Timney on a 9mm SBR and I like it a lot. However, on my varmint rig, I prefer a 2 stage, and I agree that a RRA 2 stage is hard to beat for the price. YMMV |
Yes and the Timney is nice. But it's all about the first stage. The first stage of the Geissele trigger is the crispest most defined I have felt. Remember the Timney is single stage |
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They are all good triggers quality is quality the big concern for me is will it work with all ammo. I have a Jewell and it fells as good as all the others but it will not work with surplus ammo and that limits you to commercial ammo and at $200 I am not changing now. |
RRA's are decent, but they are not that reliable over time. WOA and Adco both sell upgraded versions to increase the reliability and feel. If you don't mind spending a little more, the Geissele SSF is in another league. I have two Hi Speed Geissele's (DMR and Match) and they are perfect. The $150 SSF feels as good as the DMR and is almost half the cost. I run my SSF in my LMT and the fit is great, feel is even better. If you don't need the adjustments, wait for the SSF to hit the market. You won't be sorry. |
The site sais Mid December Seriously though they e-mailed me and told me that the parts were on thier way to be heat treated I think, that was a week ago, so hopefully soon. I bought a RRA 2 stage and it is ok for a range rifle, but I wont use anything in my guns that I dont trust %100, so that trigger went in my dads range gun. He loves it, but I dont like the first stage(or lack thereof) It doesnt even feel like its there. And the second stage is a bit too unpredictable for me. Id rather have my stock trigger on my AR, or pony up the extra dough and get an LMT or G trigger. |
| I second the CMC trigger unit. I have 4 in my ARs and they are superb. If you read up on the testing CMC does on their triggers, (50,000rds), you'll see that they'll probably outlast the rifle. I would never put an adjustable trigger in a defensive rifle. If it can work loose it will. For target shooting get the CMC two stage. |
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I have three two-stage triggers. From worst to first they are: 3. LMT long, gritty take-up, fair break. 2. Rock River, a good trigger overall for $85. 1. KAC, I just put this in my LMT and all I can say is WOW! It is supposed to break at 4.5#, I'll have to use a scale on it Monday. It feels lighter, but it's probably in the 4# neighborhood. I adjusted a little creep into it so I don't get any NDs. I'm going to get one of the new Giselle's (sp?) when they are available, I hope they make a Colt pin diameter version |
I've been told that there won't be a large pin version of the SSA/SSF trigger for qutie some time. |
| What do you mean by "drop in”? If you are referring to trigger assemblies that are a single assembly which you simply drop in and replace the two pins, many of the triggers discussed here including the RRA and Geissele are not "drop in" triggers. If the type of assembly is not an issue you may wish to further define what your intended use of the weapon is. As an example, if you are hunting prairie dogs at out to 200 yds. in my opinion you really don’t need the $275.00 Geissele trigger. Having said that, I own 3 varmint rigs built on the AR platform and have Geissele triggers in all of them. All my other ARs have the RRA trigger. A word of caution however, installation of the RRA is straight forward, there are no adjustments and you get a decent two stage trigger. Installation of other triggers such as the Geissele involve sear adjustment, over travel adjustment, and the adjustment of both first and second stage pull weight. My recommendation is to go with something like the RRA $85.00 and see if it satisfies your needs. If it doesn’t, you and move up and either use the RRA trigger in another weapon or probably get at least $50.00 for in on the EE board. |
And it's Tactikool
Has Timney fixed all the issues they were having? I'd put my $$ in a Geissle before the Timney. |
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In order to get a lighter pull they use a lighter hammer spring that reduces the force on the primer. Lighter hammers ant light titanium firing pins can cause ignition problems as well. On the JP web sight they have different trigger combinations the target and the tactical, the tactical uses a heavier hammer spring to ensure the hammer strikes with enough force. Military surplus ammo uses a thick primer and some high end triggers wont work. |
It had about 600 rounds on it. It was outside of CMC's published warranty period. I returned it to Brownells for a full refund. Brownells really came through on that one. Worst part about it was it went tits early in day two of an expensive 3-day carbine class. 
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In a military spec detailing the initial design of the Geissele SSF the trigger lifespan was specified as 70,000 rounds, 1/4 of which was full auto. So far, the highest round count has been 20k rounds with the head gunsmith reporting "no wear". I have run a SSF to 250,000 dryfires on a testing machine that cycles a bolt carrier back and forth with an slider crank mechanism driven by an electric motor. The last 150,000 of the dryfires was without lube. I gave up after a quarter million dyfires because the constant clicking of the tester was driving me and my wife's cat nuts. The testing took 3 weeks. The trigger still functioned perfectly after 250k and has a pull as smooth as silk. HTH to clarify trigger life. WHG the triggers will be released soon thru bigbore |
-Define soon. Hell I cant get a straight answer on this. I got 2 of these triggers on backorder now for 3 1/2 months? I just want to know when. I can wait for good stuff but it would be nice to have a 2 week window. |
| I wish I could be more specific. Still some loose ends to take care of (IP). The SSF will be out first, then the SSA. I am trying to work things around the mil stuff I am doing and have committed to. The first few SSF parts are on my bench waiting for assembly and the first SSA hammers need mag phosphate. |
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