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Posted: 10/24/2007 9:26:54 PM EDT
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Here is the situation. A noob has $2500.00 to spend on a new rifle. This will be his first AR type gun purchase (he owns a few hunting shotguns and a couple target pistols and his beloved SIG 226 .40) Hes spent the last year reading and researching calibers, operating systems, stocks, optics, muzzle brakes etc. He thinks he narrowed his decision down to three rifles but now cant commit to one! So he comes here for guidance and instruction. He narrowed his wishlist to these three rifles. Robinson Arms XCR- piston driven, multicaliber, full length rail, folding stock, ambi everything. Patriot Ordance P-415 - piston driven, full lenghth rail, good rep Magpul Masada - piston driven, multicaliber, full length rail, folding and collapsable stock, and Magpul has a good rep but has never produced a gun. What are your pros and cons for these three rifles? Pleas help the noob.hinking.gif |
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He needs to put just a standard, good old fashioned DI rifle on there; buy from a dealer here, and use the money he saved for mags and ammo. I'm not trying to be a turd, but I've shot all sorts of piston ARs, and they seemed to recoil a bit more, not to mention cost. I know personally own nearly 10 ARs that are stone cold reliable throughout thousands of rounds and none of them are piston operated. Anyways, by the time the masada comes out, your "friend" can have more saved up. |
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I couldn't find any ARFCOM information on the XCR or the P415. But heres a thread on the Masada. link ETA I wish I had a $2500 budget for a rifle. Your either lucky or hard-working.....either way, congats! 
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Get a "standard" AR15 from one of the Qualtiy companies. Stag Arms, RRA, Bushmaster, LMT, CMMG, Etc. The POF-415 is the only choice you listed that even comes close to what I would consider an "AR15 Type" rifle. The others take some "design ques" and some cross-compatible parts, but are as close to the AR15 as a Ford is to a Chevy. If you have never owned a DI AR15 platform, then you really have nothing to judge the so-called "improved" designs from. In the end it's your money and I really like the XCR, but I would NOT take it over a standard DI carbine AR15. Get yourself a CMMG M4gery and call it a day. |
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I like the direct gas system as well. All of the AR's my Dad has that we have shot are reliable. What is something DOES mess up? Lets take a worst case scenario and say a gas tube is clogged. It takes 5 minutes to replace. Chamber/reciever/bolt gets dirty? Synthetic-safe gun-scrubber, CLP, and 2 minutes and its squeeky clean again. At first I kinda was interested in going piston, then I read up on just how easy it truly is to maintain the AR, and in a worst case scenario, replace parts. VERY SIMPLE RIFLE! +1 for a regular AR and on your budget: Wilson Combat LesBaer Noveske (spelling is not my forte, sorry) Colt (for value later, not b/c it is better) Armalite + ammunition (IMHO Armalite is the best of the mass produced stuff, customer service second to noone). JMHO, your mileage may vary. |
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No matter how much research you do, you won't know what you like until you try it. The rentals are a good idea (tho' they may have been run hard and put up wet). Lots of other folks out there are thinking too hard about the piston guns as well. When they've been in service 40 years, it will be easier to make a judgement. Go DI. Moon |
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