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Posted: 9/5/2007 11:36:08 AM EDT
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I am thinking of building a XM177 type AR and saw that Model 1 sales a XM177 kit. I have never used thier parts kits and was wondering what kind of quality they had. ANy other suggestions on the better or cheaper build kit is appreciated. Jimmy |
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I've never built a kit gun in my life, from what little I have seen Model1 has rough lower parts kits. Personally I've seen a couple of model one uppers that had problems, though there are people here who like them. If I was buying a kit gun I'd probably get a J&T. I never really hear complaints about them or Del-Ton. M&A and Model One seem to be more problematic. Stay away from Vulcan or whatever their new name is (it escapes me). www.jtdistributing.com/ I am assuming you are looking to build on a budget. Otherwise I would say get any stripped lower you like, a CMT lower parts kit (from Dennys' guns or a million other places) a cmt collapsible stock from bravo co and an LMT upper from either bravo or Dennys. A Bravo upper is a bit cheaper and still a good value if they are in stock. |
You will get a dozen people saying that same thing about just about any company you can think of. You have to remember those are one sided stories as well, who knows how they were actually treated or how they initially treated them. It has also been my experience that most of those people saying "dont buy" are saying that from stories they heard, not experienced. (and I said most, not all) |
| The best AR iv ever fired was built on a M1S upper. People that say bad things need to back up the trash talk with real events. Telling somebody to "stay away" with out a reason is pointless. I really liked M1S when i ordered. I dont see how those ladys on the phone could be rude.................Bunch of sweet old ladys if you ask me. Hell I called back a day or so after ordering to see if they could get me a tracking number, no problem. |
Like last fall "past"
Then I won't ask you. Sweet old ladies don't act like cunts to sweet young ladies.
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Hmmm. for some reason it took me about 4-5 days IIRC. I may have ordered on Fri. Do they ship on weekends? I may have had to wait until monday, if they are out on weekends. |
A guy took a model one upper to blackwater. I was in the class, it didn't last a half a day. I believe that cases were sticking in the barrel. I heard that it worked later with a new barrel installed. I saw another model one kit gun having similar problems at a buddy's house, again I heard it worked fine once it was rebarrelled. |
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I bought an upper with a kit from them at a gun show, so I can't speak to their web based operations, but the gun produced is fast becoming one of my favorites. The stock that came with the kit was pretty much the bare minimum of what you could call a collapsible stock, and I didn't use it, nor did I use their trigger. The rest of the kit, well, I can't tell a premium take down pin detent from whatever, but it all works. The upper has performed flawlessly so far. They told me that they're presently moving about 25,000 uppers a year, in most of the popular calibers (mine's a 7.62x39), so I imagine they're a significant blip on the AR market radar. I'd buy from them again. |
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I've heard mumblings of M1S oversizing thier gas ports... I haven't checked mine, but it raises concerns that it will get way overgassed when I start running a suppressor. When it's time, I will likely sell the barrel and get one that I know for sure is set up right. |
| I've got a Model 1 sales kit, varmint 20 inch rifle, my first build. No problems out of it, good service, I ordered the kit on a Saturday, it arrived the following Wednesday. About 400 rounds through it since building last month, no problems at all. I'd buy from them again. |
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TAP 69 grain factory ammo yielded my best 5 shot group off sand bags too date, measuring ~ .35 inch @ 100yds. One ragged hole in the target. My gun features stock lower reciever and internals, not sure what I could see with better trigger. That said, I'm contemplating selling my 20 inch upper, to move to something with a 1/7 twist (my stainless in 1/8), so I can shoot heaviest bullets available. |
Their parts are TOP NOTCH. I use them exclusively now for any builds I do. I have three rifles right now, two M&A kits and 1 bushmaster kit. I have used Bushmaster kits, Model 1 kits, and M&A kits, I have owned Colt and RRA. for the quality there isn't many better the M&A parts, for the price there are no better then M&A! If you buy their parts I personally would say that you wont be sorry. + they sell mid length 16" kits where some companies don't. Great service too! |
25,000 is the number they gave me. Of course, everything you hear at a gun show is true. Nevertheless, they are around, quite a bit. The wide range of uppers that they offer, and apparently actually produce, lends some credence to the idea that they are a relatively high volume manufacturer. But I certainly have no independent verification of their numbers. That's pretty much irrelevant to me, anyway. What I've seen so far leads me to feel pretty satisfied with my transaction with them, and I'll certainly consider another. P.S. - Since they seem to work the shows, maybe you ought to use 7 days a week instead of five. |
I built this rifle with an upper, bolt carrier group and barrel from model 1 sales and it shoots sub moa. Last time I shot it was this last weekend with Hornady 75 grn BTHP Match reloads and it shot a 1 MOA group. I was shooting off of a bipod and probably could have done better on my end as usually the 77 grn match king I used to shoot out of it would group about .5 MOA. Groups are ten shot groups. On this particular day the 77 grn opened up to 1.5 MOA but again, I could have done my part alot better.
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