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8/19/2007 7:39:24 PM EDT
Is there a common cause of a random fail to feed?  I realize that this is broad, but the issue that I have seen is 1 round out every  two hundred will fail to fully feed, and the brass will be dented just below the neck of the casing.  The bullet is not gouged.  Magazines are not the same, ammo is basic remington 55gr.

Thanks for your thoughts!
8/19/2007 7:41:46 PM EDT
[#1]

Quoted:
Is there a common cause of a random fail to feed?  I realize that this is broad, but the issue that I have seen is 1 round out every  two hundred will fail to fully feed, and the brass will be dented just below the neck of the casing.  The bullet is not gouged.  Magazines are not the same, ammo is basic remington 55gr.

Thanks for your thoughts!



You sure about that? Best thing is to keep your mags numbered somehow. This way you can spot an early failure.

As for "random fail to feed:" Could be a systemic problem, like a weak gas system. Most shots will fire OK, but the one bullet that is slightly sub par causes the failure.
8/19/2007 7:43:05 PM EDT
[#2]
What make of rifle? What length of barrel? What length of gas system?
8/19/2007 7:50:03 PM EDT
[#3]
16 inch M4gery. CAR length gas system.  No other issues ever, and this has only happened twice.  99% sure it wasn't the same mag, just got a couple of new ones in.  

Model 1 Upper.  DPMS lower.
8/19/2007 7:52:06 PM EDT
[#4]
So is it one in every two hundred or just twice? Was it twice in a day? was the weapon cleaned between FTF's?
8/19/2007 7:55:29 PM EDT
[#5]
This might be a bit of a bullshit answer but rifles will jam from time to time(any auto rifle). It could have been an underpowered round causing the system not to cycle properly or it could be the start of a mag failure. If it has only been twice I dont think it is the weapon itself.
8/19/2007 7:59:23 PM EDT
[#6]
The same thing happens to me in my mid-length when i fire UMC.  There are also some odd little nicks on my fired UMC brass.  Try different ammunition.
8/19/2007 8:01:03 PM EDT
[#7]
Is the ammo Remington manufactured? This is not my favorite ammo to shoot personaly.
8/19/2007 8:33:51 PM EDT
[#8]
The rifle has around 400 rounds through it and has done it twice.  It is meticulously cleaned, so Im not thinking its that.  The common denominator is the ammo,  I am going to put 200 rounds through it with different ammo and see.  My other thought is that if there were a systemic problem, it would show up more often.

the latest was out of a nearly brand new mag.

Keep the thoughts coming!
8/19/2007 8:37:10 PM EDT
[#9]
Get some Lake City M855 and try that, see if you are still having problems out of it then.
8/19/2007 8:50:23 PM EDT
[#10]
usual main culprit (besides not enough lube, dirt, broken parts, etc) are mag related
feedlips, springs, etc could be messed up; mark your mags, make sure its not em

if its ammo, it may be b/c its underpowered or it maybe that your gas tube is dirty (less likely) or that your gas is leaking out or short stroking (at random though?)

this might help w/ some additional info also

also, a thought from troubleshooter mod, mr dano:

"First thing that you need to do is short stroke test the rifle,

This test is done by loading a single round into the mag, load and charge the single round into the rifle from the mag, and fire it with the empty mag still in the rifle. If the rifle is full stroking, then the bolt will lock back on the blot catch after the short. If the rifle will not pass this test, they you will need to break the rifle down, fully clean/lube it correctly, and retest*.

Also, if you are using wolf ammo, you will need to get a case of brass case ammo to break the rifle in before you may able to run the wolf ammo in the rifle. Bushmaster chambers their barrels on the tighter side, and the chamber will need to break in through live fire before you will have success with the coated ammo.

Do this test, and get back to use with the results.

*www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=7&t=203988"

+1 for mr DM1975's suggestion of trying diff ammo also
8/20/2007 4:47:53 AM EDT
[#11]
Thanks all.  1st order of business will be the mag test.  I have 6 mags, and several are pretty old.  Next is new ammo.  I am pretty particular about clean and lube, so that factor remains consistent.  I'll get back with results after Labor Day.
8/24/2007 10:43:29 AM EDT
[#12]
Figured it out!!!

Both times that this happened, I was shooting with the rifle resting on the mag.  I had forgotten that you really shouldn't do that!  I have magpul plates on the mag, and the extra length sets it on the ground.
8/24/2007 11:46:20 AM EDT
[#13]

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Figured it out!!!

Both times that this happened, I was shooting with the rifle resting on the mag.  I had forgotten that you really shouldn't do that! .


 Most instructors I know teach to use the USGI 30 as a monopod with the AR-15.

If you're rifle is having problems when 'monopoding' then I'd look at the following:
1) Magazine.
2) Tighten the magazine catch another turn (or two).

Of course there could be a geometry issue in the lower (mag catch milled in the wrong spot, or some other milling problem)
8/24/2007 12:33:00 PM EDT
[#14]
I monopod with mine and have no issues,but i have all new D&H mags.Maybe your mags are a little worn?Id run new mags first to start narrowing the problem.
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