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7/18/2007 4:23:33 PM EDT
Does anyone have the official spring constant for the AR buffer spring?
7/18/2007 5:01:28 PM EDT
[#1]
If your referring to the ft. lbs. of pressure the spring provides, I’ve never seen that type of data. There are min and max spring dimensions in the Unit And Direct Support Maintenance Manual M16A2, M4, M4A1
7/18/2007 5:12:47 PM EDT
[#2]
I think he is referring to K as in physics.

Elastic Potential Energy = (1/2) * K * X^2

where X equals the change in length of the spring (uncompressed to compressed)
and K is the spring constant
7/18/2007 5:19:13 PM EDT
[#3]
That’s some perty fancy city talk.  

Anyway regardless, I’ve never personally seen this type of data posted anywhere.
7/18/2007 6:59:55 PM EDT
[#4]
HAHA  I live in the middle of nowhere.  A mechanical engineering major does help though
7/19/2007 6:17:25 PM EDT
[#6]
J3_ muchos gracias, excellent link, likely will be using that one more often.  All my books were useless as I be the wrong kinda engi-nerd .... as my MechE counterpart calls me "Beaker Licker".  
7/19/2007 6:25:04 PM EDT
[#7]
You could figure it out for yourself pretty easy.  Take the upper off, place the lower buttstock down on the ground.  Put some sort of weight on the buffer, maybe a roll of dimes with a book balanced on top; look around and  be creative.  You just need to be able to measure how far the buffer is pressed back into the tube.  Weigh the dimes and book to get your F.  The distance the buffer is depressed is the X.  Solve for your K.  It doesn't matter that the spring is already compressed some b/c the spring constant is linear.
7/19/2007 6:46:26 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
You could figure it out for yourself pretty easy.  Take the upper off, place the lower buttstock down on the ground.  Put some sort of weight on the buffer, maybe a roll of dimes with a book balanced on top; look around and  be creative.  You just need to be able to measure how far the buffer is pressed back into the tube.  Weigh the dimes and book to get your F.  The distance the buffer is depressed is the X.  Solve for your K.  It doesn't matter that the spring is already compressed some b/c the spring constant is linear.


I tried that, but the hammer kept getting in the way ... I couldn't get any appreciable weight on the buffer/spring and wanted to be able to get several data points ... so I dropped that route ...
7/19/2007 6:57:23 PM EDT
[#9]
I didn't grab the AR out to try myself, though I did consider it.  One data point is enough, but either way, good job for trying!  

Edit:  Idea #2.  Pull the rear pin on your rifle and allow it to swing open.  Hold it muzzle down by the buttstock and place your finger on the buffer.  When you let go of the rifle its weight (minus the spirng and buffer) will be supported by the spring.  My buffer isn't 100% vertical when I do this so there will be some inaccuracy, but that'll vary by rifle I guess.  Note how far your finger sinks into the buffer tube for your X.  The weight of the rifle minus the buffer an spring is F.  I'd give you an estimate for K but I have no idea what my rifle weighs and I don't have a scale.
7/19/2007 8:14:19 PM EDT
[#10]
I don’t really think that the buffer springs are manufactured to that close of a tolerance to go to all that trouble trying to measure them.
7/19/2007 10:16:30 PM EDT
[#11]
For my project, it is of importance ... the results

Inputs

 Diameter of spring wire, d:       0.071 in
 Outer diameter of spring, Douter:       094 in
 Free length of spring, Lfree:       13.4 in  
 Number of active coils, na:     37  
 Youngs modulus of material, E:       200 GPa  
 Poisson ratio of material, n:       0.3
 Density of material, r:      7500 kg/m^3  

Answers

 Spring constant, k:  1.46  lbf/in    
 Maximum load possible, Fmax:  15.5  lbf    
 Maximum shear stress possible, tmax:  107  ksi    
 Maximum displacement possible, Ldef:  10.6  in    
 Length of wire required to make spring:  107  in    
 Solid height:  2.77  in    
 Distance between coils in free spring:  0.362  in    
 Rise angle of coils:  7.56  deg    
 Lowest spring resonant frequency, fres:  35.0  Hz    
 Shear modulus of material, G:  76.9  GPa    
 Mass of spring:  1.84  oz    

8/28/2007 2:14:38 PM EDT
[#12]
Marty,
    Kinda sounds like a nice self-contained upper receiver that eliminates the buffer tube and it's parts has snuck into your dreams at night! Maybe a piston type operation and designed to work with your favorite calibers?
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