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5/17/2007 9:41:15 AM EDT
Guy came in the shop the other day and said his rifle was having issues with failures to feed. I opened the gun up and something fell out. I looked on the floor and saw that it was the head to a allen screw. The head of the screw had broken off the body.

At first I thought it didnt seem like a screw that goes on an AR anywhere. He had an M900 attached to an add on GG&G rail, the type of rail that just screws on to the handguard. Looked at that rail and the screws were all present and secure...

A second later, I realized he said he was having problems with feeding, which could be gas. I looked at the bolt carrier and saw that the head of the screw had sheered off one of the gas carrier key screws. Yup... that would do it.

Ive seen loose screws that had been improperly staked, or not staked at all. But I havent seen a screw break like this.

sorry pic is blurry:
5/17/2007 9:51:03 AM EDT
[#1]
These things happen.

The POS Carbon 15 the my Brother in law had briefly had the same thing happen.

5/17/2007 9:56:27 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
These things happen.


This is generally my feeling on the issue. When it happens all the time, I change from that attitude to a something is wrong attitude. But I've never seen this before and this was off a city f/a gun that gets used quite a bit. Just thought it was interesting and like to document these things, if for no one else than myself.
5/17/2007 10:51:36 AM EDT
[#3]
Were you able to get the rest of the bolt out of the carrier?
5/17/2007 10:57:14 AM EDT
[#4]
I had a brand new DPMS carrier w/factory installed key shear one off on the first shot.  The gorilla who installed it must have over torqued it to the point of nearly breaking  and the force of the shot finished the job...or bad screw to start with??
5/17/2007 10:58:51 AM EDT
[#5]
Who's the manufacturer?
5/17/2007 11:24:58 AM EDT
[#6]
Armalite
5/17/2007 11:38:12 AM EDT
[#7]
I've seen one of those from an overtorqued screw.
5/17/2007 11:40:39 AM EDT
[#8]
Sucks to be that guy.
5/17/2007 11:52:44 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Sucks to be that guy.


Meh, like Markm said, these things happen. And I can think of A LOT worse things than this. Any malfuntions or failures suck, but this is a pretty easy fix.
5/17/2007 12:05:30 PM EDT
[#10]

exact same thing happened to me with my first ever, low round count, COLT bolt carrier.  I've been running a DPMS ever since.
5/17/2007 12:19:40 PM EDT
[#11]
It seems like that DPMS carrier is working well for you, however, my experience with DPMS stuff has left me with the above mentioned "something is wrong" attitude. People bring broken things in here all the time, and some names pop up all the time. DPMS is certainly among those names.
5/17/2007 1:24:20 PM EDT
[#12]
 It just happened to me with a low count COLT bolt carrier also. I started haveing short stroking  .It turned out to be a shear carrier gas key bolt. Broke clean just like the one shown.But the  stakeing held it in the key. It fooled me for a good while till I figured it out. .It does happen!!! WarDawg
5/17/2007 1:52:39 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
It seems like that DPMS carrier is working well for you, however, my experience with DPMS stuff has left me with the above mentioned "something is wrong" attitude. People bring broken things in here all the time, and some names pop up all the time. DPMS is certainly among those names.


+1

Especially w/their bolts and carriers.

But I do agree that it can happen w/almost any brand. It's just that it seems to happen more often w/DPMS
5/17/2007 1:58:51 PM EDT
[#14]
From the picture, looks like the screws are only staked on one side.

If so, wonder if that cracked the screw.  Sure doesn't seem like a "mil spec" way to do it.  
5/17/2007 2:16:07 PM EDT
[#15]
I think all the nannypanny "properly staked" movement has the rifle assemblers at the various mfgs. overtorquing the screws to compensate.

ETAL Had that been properly staked it would have never fallen out.
5/17/2007 2:27:29 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
I think all the nannypanny "properly staked" movement has the rifle assemblers at the various mfgs. overtorquing the screws to compensate.

ETAL Had that been properly staked it would have never fallen out.


Over torquing may have cracked the screw.  That stake may have been done correctly, but that might have been all that really held the screw in place.

new-arguy,
did it appear to be staked?  What does the remaining one look like?    
5/17/2007 4:21:49 PM EDT
[#17]
so what is the proper torque values for carrier screws?
5/17/2007 4:39:26 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
so what is the proper torque values for carrier screws?



Carrier Key Screws - 35 INCH pounds to 40 INCH pounds.
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