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4/28/2007 8:43:55 AM EDT
I have two Vortex flash suppressors on other weapons, and I really like them.  I've never had a problem with them, and basically the reason I'd be going to a phantom is for the price.  They are cheaper obviously, so will I ultimately be disappointed?

This could be a complete myth, and I believe it is, but does the vortex flash suppressor have any effect on accuracy? (God I feel like a newb again).

Are there any advantages that the Phantom has over the Vortex that I may be overlooking, or any advantages that the phantom has over the vortex?

This setup will eventually be my duty carbine, so please keep that in mind as well.

Thanks
Scott
4/28/2007 8:48:03 AM EDT
[#1]
I would not worry about the 20 spot difference. I like both the vortex & phantom, but if I had to choose the vortex would be my first. Plus I don't like indexing my FH
4/28/2007 8:58:33 AM EDT
[#2]
Just an idea. (Phantom 5C2)

4/28/2007 9:04:47 AM EDT
[#3]
Phantom!

Then you don't have to deal with the ping noise the Vortex makes or worry about it blossoming. I have had two blossom.
4/28/2007 9:07:29 AM EDT
[#4]
Phantom works, Cheaper, wont kick up dust

I have them on both my LMT M4`s
4/28/2007 9:12:10 AM EDT
[#5]
Yeah, I would go with the 5C2 (as pictured above)- nice and stabby for your duty carbine.
4/28/2007 9:14:21 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
I would not worry about the 20 spot difference. I like both the vortex & phantom, but if I had to choose the vortex would be my first. Plus I don't like indexing my FH


The Fork type Phantom 4 slot doesnt need index.

I did  use a crush washer, I wonder now if the crush washer is needed on the Older model

indexing my last  Phantom I bought was a pain

4/28/2007 9:25:34 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Yeah, I would go with the 5C2 (as pictured above)- nice and stabby for your duty carbine.


I have a 4 slot type with the Teeth on my Bushy/LMT M4

and on my LMT  Defender 2000 M4  a 5C1

I dont like the Teeth

plus it Bangs my leg when useing a single point sling
all will do this but Teeth dont help
4/28/2007 10:13:56 AM EDT
[#8]
Flash Hider Tests:

silencertests.com/flash.htm

Vortex is the winner by far... you have to click on the photo to even see it.
4/28/2007 10:23:32 AM EDT
[#9]
Vortex.

If you get a phantom, I suggest getting the non-prickly one.
4/28/2007 10:29:49 AM EDT
[#10]
I will most likely stick with the vortex, I love the way they look, and I'm not too terribly worried about it getting caught up in the wild brush of America  Since I have 2 other AR's with vortex FH's, the tuning fork noise doens't bother me at all.  I think it complements the sproing noise just beautifully for a marvelous symphony of 5.56 bliss.

But then again, a 5C1 would be a nice change of pace...

ugh
4/28/2007 10:32:43 AM EDT
[#11]
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Quoted:
Phantom!

Then you don't have to deal with the ping noise the Vortex makes or worry about it blossoming. I have had two blossom.


I've been eyeing a Vortex but now you have me wondering. What exaxtly is this "blossoming" you speak of? Is it common? Also what's the ping noise?
4/28/2007 10:41:51 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Phantom!

Then you don't have to deal with the ping noise the Vortex makes or worry about it blossoming. I have had two blossom.


I've been eyeing a Vortex but now you have me wondering. What exaxtly is this "blossoming" you speak of? Is it common? Also what's the ping noise?


Blossoming is when the tines start to "peel back", like a banana (but obviously not that extreme).  I guess you could say they just start to seperate.

I think this was a problem on older vortex models.  I've NEVER heard of the newer generation models doing it, only the older ones, and the knock offs.  Buy from a reputable dealer, and ensure you get a Smith Enterprises G6A2 and you will not have this problem.
4/28/2007 10:42:49 AM EDT
[#13]
If i had to guess he means the ends of it start to bend outwards giving it a blossom look.
4/28/2007 10:44:41 AM EDT
[#14]
Is this a common thing? How fast does it happen?
4/28/2007 10:46:13 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
Is this a common thing? How fast does it happen?


Within the first thousand rounds I BELIEVE.  I've never personally seen it happen, and I know lots of guys with vortex's.  And as I stated before, if you buy a genuine smith G6A2, you don't have to worry about it anyways.
4/28/2007 10:47:58 AM EDT
[#16]
I put a 5C2 on my varmint upper just for looks and my accuracy went from 1/2" to 1 3/4". So for a fix I opened up the clearance to 3/8" and accuracy was right back to 1/2" , problem solved.

Pat
4/28/2007 10:52:51 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
I put a 5C2 on my varmint upper just for looks and my accuracy went from 1/2" to 1 3/4". So for a fix I opened up the clearance to 3/8" and accuracy was right back to 1/2" , problem solved.

Pat


Vortex it is then!

4/28/2007 10:56:56 AM EDT
[#18]
Check your barrel before ordering!
I just ordered a Vortex and the skirt would not fit over my standard RRA barrel.  There was a 1/8" gap where the crown should meet the Vortex.  I called Smith and the said they had a special Vortex to fit RRA barrels.  I believe the skit ID is .730" on the standard, and .750" for the RRA.  I sent it back and am waiting for the new one.
4/28/2007 10:58:03 AM EDT
[#19]
Which one allows for a suppressor to be attached to it? I want a 14.5 but I KNOW I am going to get a suppressor in the future....but I also don't want to pay the 200$ for the tax now.

4/28/2007 11:01:26 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I put a 5C2 on my varmint upper just for looks and my accuracy went from 1/2" to 1 3/4". So for a fix I opened up the clearance to 3/8" and accuracy was right back to 1/2" , problem solved.

Pat


Vortex it is then!




whats the Vortex  going on ? 20 or a 14.5 Barrel
4/28/2007 11:38:01 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
I put a 5C2 on my varmint upper just for looks and my accuracy went from 1/2" to 1 3/4". So for a fix I opened up the clearance to 3/8" and accuracy was right back to 1/2" , problem solved.

Pat


I'm sorry but what clearance are you talking about? The 3/8" clearance you're referring to.
4/28/2007 12:48:43 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
I had to choose the vortex would be my first. Plus I don't like indexing my FH


The Fork type Phantom 4 slot doesnt need index.





thats my point, I like the Phantom for that reason
4/28/2007 2:07:36 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
I put a 5C2 on my varmint upper just for looks and my accuracy went from 1/2" to 1 3/4". So for a fix I opened up the clearance to 3/8" and accuracy was right back to 1/2" , problem solved.

Pat


Vortex it is then!




whats the Vortex  going on ? 20 or a 14.5 Barrel


FMJ, its going on a 14.5 and will be permed
4/28/2007 2:34:58 PM EDT
[#24]
i would go with the vortex, i love them so much i have one on all my guns. if not try the new vltor a2 style one its real sweet.
4/28/2007 7:41:35 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
Flash Hider Tests:

silencertests.com/flash.htm

Vortex is the winner by far... you have to click on the photo to even see it.


Hmmm. The way it looks to me the Phantom has less signature than the Vortex.
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