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2/9/2007 5:40:58 PM EDT
I have a Bushmaster V-Match, a Bushmaster XM-15 M4, a DPMS AP4 in .308 and a Ruger Mini-14.
I have a friend who wants to get a semi auto rifle in .223 and he is leaning towards a Ruger Mini-14.
I am trying to talk him out of it to make him happier later.
He's claiming price and how clean the rifle runs compared to AR types.
I'm saying a couple hundred (250 -300) dollars more, cheaper mags and the accuracy are worth it.
Something I'm missing to save him from getting the Ruger?
Don't get me wrong, my mini is fun to shoot, but it's not like the other rifles I have.  Hitting eggs and clay pigeons (set on the ground) at 100 to 150 feet is different than hitting targets at 300 yards.    
2/9/2007 5:57:03 PM EDT
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Tell him the creator of the Ruger Mini 14 thinks we are all a bunch of criminals and if he would have known his rifle would end up in our hands he would never have made it, the mini 14 is a grandpa gun anyway.
2/9/2007 6:08:18 PM EDT
[#2]
just based on the fact that it cost $40-$50 for a OEM mag is enough to make me not want one.
2/9/2007 10:03:58 PM EDT
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Tell him the creator of the Ruger Mini 14 thinks we are all a bunch of criminals and if he would have known his rifle would end up in our hands he would never have made it, the mini 14 is a grandpa gun anyway. he How many militaries/LEOs now use an AC556?
2/10/2007 12:32:43 AM EDT
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Tell him the creator of the Ruger Mini 14 thinks we are all a bunch of criminals and if he would have known his rifle would end up in our hands he would never have made it, the mini 14 is a grandpa gun anyway.

The former William B. Ruger was a staunch supporter of 2nd Amendment rights as I recall.....
How many militaries/LEOs now use an AC556?



WRONG. Read up on his  Wikipedia bio.


Per Wikipedia:




After a spate of high profile shootings and incidences with the Ruger Mini 14 rifle, along with a number of unsavory associations the Mini 14 had gained with militias and extremist movements during the late 1970s and early 1980s, William B. Ruger expressed a highly unpopular position (amongst firearms owners, users and enthusiasts) by stating his personal views on the "sporting" nature of certain firearms.

In his letter to members of the House and Senate on 30 March 1989, Mr. Ruger stated in that which has come to be known as "The Ruger Letter":

"The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms (which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines. By a simple, complete, and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of defining "assault rifles" and "semi-automatic rifles" is eliminated. The large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes the prohibited item. A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could prohibit their possession or sale and would effectively implement these objectives."

In addition to the furor amongst hunters, sportsmen and shooters caused by "The Ruger Letter", Mr. Ruger made additional comments during an interview with NBCs Tom Brokaw that angered 2nd Amendment proponents even further, by saying that "no honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun…" and "I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 and 30 round magazines…"

This position, coming from an important firearms manufacturer such as Mr. Ruger, caused outrage in the shooting sports community and led to a boycott of Ruger products that is still practiced by many firearms purchasers to this day, who choose to buy products from manufacturers who they feel hold a greater respect for their customers. Though Ruger retired (and later died), there is fear that his suspected contempt for the company's customer base still permeates upper management of the company.



Simple Civilians? Big 2nd Amendment supporter
2/10/2007 5:16:01 AM EDT
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I, myself, admit that I own a ruger firearm (a 10/22), but only because every other rimfire rifle I tried that cost less than $400 was a piece of shit. My dad takes it out, shoots it, doesnt clean it, reloads it, does the same thing a week later. I think he has a couple hundred rounds of ammo through it without cleaning or failure. And when it does start to fail I will just go home on a weekend and clean it again.

In terms of durability, accuracy, ease of maintenance, user friendlyness of controls, and (given that I dont use junk mags or ammo, and have "Monk"ish cleaning habits after every trip to the range) reliability, I would put my DPMS M4A1 up against an Ruger product, period.

ETA: I have three 13 rd. mags for my Springfield XD .45, 5 30s for my AK, and 13 30s for my M4. I hope that makes that son of a bitch catch a charlie horse in his coffin.
2/11/2007 1:13:46 AM EDT
[#6]
I bought a Mini 14 about eight months before I bought my Bushmaster.  If I had it to do again, I'd have skipped the Mini.

Its a fun, reliable gun to shoot... but its no AR.
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