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11/28/2006 11:53:14 AM EDT
Actually more like a "Caliche Pit Report"  

Colt LE6921 M4 14.5" barrel
EOtech 553
Remington 55 GR.

10 shot group
100 Yds
15-20 mph cross wind (left to right)

Needless to say, I was pleased with the results.
I had concerns about the accuracy of a 14.5" barrel.

Not any more
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11/28/2006 11:57:04 AM EDT
[#1]
Nice rifle, great results! Thanks for posting.
11/28/2006 11:58:20 AM EDT
[#2]
Thats pretty awesome with an Eotech. The range I have to shoot on the targets are often in the shade and the sun slightly in your eyes at times and I can't hit anything with my eotech.
Nice job.
JR
11/28/2006 12:33:28 PM EDT
[#3]
"Remington 55 GR."

You might try 69 SMK or 75 Hornady and see better results.  A 6921 14.5" w/a 1/7 twist probably doesnt like 55 gr ammo.  Not saying it didnt shoot 55 gr ammo, but should do better and save the throat of the barrel.
11/28/2006 12:50:54 PM EDT
[#4]
I thought the 6921 uses a 1:9 barrel.
11/28/2006 1:10:37 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
I thought the 6921 uses a 1:9 barrel.


You are probably thinking of the 6721 (A3 Tactical Carbine)

The 6921 is the 14.5 version of the 6920 - both 1/7's

Best of the best (civvie semi-auto versions that is)
11/28/2006 2:26:42 PM EDT
[#6]
Fluke or very lucky.

Better frame that one....
11/28/2006 3:01:14 PM EDT
[#7]
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Quoted:


Fluke or very lucky.

Better frame that one....hinklittle to do with it
11/28/2006 3:06:04 PM EDT
[#8]
Nice shooting
11/28/2006 3:41:06 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
"Remington 55 GR."

You might try 69 SMK or 75 Hornady and see better results.  A 6921 14.5" w/a 1/7 twist probably doesnt like 55 gr ammo.  Not saying it didnt shoot 55 gr ammo, but should do better and save the throat of the barrel.


why would a longer/heavyer bullet have any effect on the throat?  Lower velocity?
11/28/2006 4:54:14 PM EDT
[#10]
That's essentially sub-MOA shooting. Not saying you didn't shoot that good, but most "master" class competitors can't shoot that good with small apeture open sights on a custom built competition rifle using hand-loaded ammo at 100 yards much less the far less accurate EO-tech with a much larger than MOA dot.  Scoped at a bench rest I can believe. EO-tech no.
11/28/2006 6:07:27 PM EDT
[#11]
Looks like both the shooter and the carbine are up to the task.  Good Job.
11/28/2006 7:45:40 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
"Remington 55 GR."

You might try 69 SMK or 75 Hornady and see better results.  A 6921 14.5" w/a 1/7 twist probably doesnt like 55 gr ammo.  Not saying it didnt shoot 55 gr ammo, but should do better and save the throat of the barrel.


why would a longer/heavyer bullet have any effect on the throat?  Lower velocity?


Lighter gr bullet = slightly shorter = more area to jump into barrel via throat.  Knew someone would catch that and Im sure it could become a bigger argument.  Ive read alot.....about it, and talked to alot of people about buying 55gr because in BH Reman its cheaper.  Their arugment started with what about the throat, this is with Colt 1/7 twist barrels because they are chambered for 62 and the 77 SMK.  Im surprised we see no keyholes...or BS just kicked in (just kidding).
11/28/2006 8:01:38 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
That's essentially sub-MOA shooting. Not saying you didn't shoot that good, but most "master" class competitors can't shoot that good with small apeture open sights on a custom built competition rifle using hand-loaded ammo at 100 yards much less the far less accurate EO-tech with a much larger than MOA dot.  Scoped at a bench rest I can believe. EO-tech no.


The EOTech's dot is only 1 MOA, not a "much larger than MOA dot".  It is much smaller than either a standard or NM front sight post.
11/28/2006 9:07:10 PM EDT
[#14]
Damn nice shooting, especially considering the combination of those sights vs. wind. Makes me feel better personally about 14.5s.
11/29/2006 2:11:27 AM EDT
[#15]

Im surprised we see no keyholes


1/7' twist barrels handle 55 grain ammo just fine. Why do you think you'd see keyholes?

Brewer
11/29/2006 2:35:35 AM EDT
[#16]
I had read about some people having problems using 55gr's in their AR's but I personally didn't  have any problems.

I shot a couple of boxes at around 170 yds (that was pretty much the limit of that particular caliche pit) and don't recall any keyholes.
I'm going to try some other weights and see how they perform.

For the record, the above was shot in a kneeling position using a makeshift rest (a Black and Decker workmate bench with sand bags).



Trey
11/29/2006 6:57:50 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Im surprised we see no keyholes


1/7' twist barrels handle 55 grain ammo just fine. Why do you think you'd see keyholes?

Brewer


I was joking, but lighter bullets have been known to spin apart and tumble to the target.  M193 55gr will shoot fine in 1/7 but is better in 1/9.  1/7 should be using 62gr and above for best results.
11/30/2006 2:23:13 AM EDT
[#18]

1/7 should be using 62gr and above for best results.


Hmmm. I don't agree with you there. There's no way a 55 grain M193 bullet is going to come apart when leaving a 1/7" twist barrel (40 grain Blitzes, yes!). There may be accuracy differences between barrels of 1/7" and 1/9" twists when firing M193 or M855, but the personal proclivities of any given barrel shouldn't be confused with any inherent difference in accuracy between twists. In other words, I haven't ever seen any solid statistical data to infer that 1/7" does better with M855 vs. M193, or the inverse. Old wife's tales do persist, however. Not that it's statistically significant, but 2 of my 1/7" Colt barrels shoot better with 55 grian ammo than they do with 62 grain and above. The "likes" and "dislikes" of any given barrel, bullet construction and consistency, and ammunition quality have alot more to do with accuracy than twist, assuming the twist is adequate for stabilizing the bullet used. I'll be swayed from my opinion by hard evidence to the contrary, but until then I'll continue to shoot teeny little groups out of my 1/7" twist barrels with 55 grain ammo

Brewer
11/30/2006 6:12:17 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
That's essentially sub-MOA shooting. Not saying you didn't shoot that good, but most "master" class competitors can't shoot that good with small apeture open sights on a custom built competition rifle using hand-loaded ammo at 100 yards much less the far less accurate EO-tech with a much larger than MOA dot.  Scoped at a bench rest I can believe. EO-tech no.


The EOTech's dot is only 1 MOA, not a "much larger than MOA dot".  It is much smaller than either a standard or NM front sight post.

Actually it is something like 1/3 MOA but the human eye can't see smaller than 1MOA so it's effectively that size.  If you use a 3x magnifier with an EOtech the center dot will still be 1 MOA
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