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HammerForged I like turtles Joined Aug 2012 Posts 4181 EE 100% (10) GA, USA	Posted: 7/8/2018 1:14:51 AM EDT [#1] Thanks guys
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Frost-04 Joined Jan 2018 Posts 23 EE 0% (0) AB, CAN	Posted: 7/8/2018 1:32:05 AM EDT [#2] IDF is the selfie Army... On topic though, this thread makes me feel like I need to do a Canadian edition. Still a few old school C8 uppers kicking around in surplus...

Leg Joined May 2005 Posts 809 EE 100% (1) ON, CAN	Posted: 7/9/2018 11:45:15 AM EDT [#3] Quote History Originally Posted By Frost-04: IDF is the selfie Army... On topic though, this thread makes me feel like I need to do a Canadian edition. Still a few old school C8 uppers kicking around in surplus... View Quote I finally managed to grab a C8 upper at a good price. Plan on putting a pic in here and maybe post a thread in retro.

Willmar If only you spoke Hovitos! Joined Feb 2005 Posts 15696 EE 100% (32) LA, USA	Posted: 7/9/2018 9:50:16 PM EDT [#4] Attached File Night vision Attached File
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Willmar If only you spoke Hovitos! Joined Feb 2005 Posts 15697 EE 100% (32) LA, USA	Posted: 7/9/2018 9:51:49 PM EDT [Last Edit: Willmar] [#5] Attached File Attached File Attached File If you’re going to do an action pose, please remove the barrel obstruction/safety Attached File Attached File
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Willmar If only you spoke Hovitos! Joined Feb 2005 Posts 15698 EE 100% (32) LA, USA	Posted: 7/9/2018 9:52:44 PM EDT [#6] Attached File
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Frost-04 Joined Jan 2018 Posts 26 EE 0% (0) AB, CAN	Posted: 7/10/2018 8:41:51 PM EDT [#7] Quote History Originally Posted By Leg: I finally managed to grab a C8 upper at a good price. Plan on putting a pic in here and maybe post a thread in retro. View Quote See, now you're just encouraging me to grab one...

ck2020 Joined Mar 2015 Posts 147 EE 100% (7) SC, USA	Posted: 7/18/2018 9:02:39 PM EDT [#8] Attached File What kind of stock is this?

Kvjavs Joined Sep 2012 Posts 727 EE 100% (54) IL, USA	Posted: 7/18/2018 11:48:53 PM EDT [#9] Quote History Originally Posted By ck2020: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68624/A50F2FE7-40B9-419B-8E30-234AA94245A6-602754.JPG What kind of stock is this? View Quote Command Arms Accessories (CAA) CBS

Miami_JBT .40 S&W Supreme Leader & Dictator for Life Joined Apr 2007 Posts 58624 EE 100% (7) FL, USA	Posted: 7/22/2018 3:12:24 PM EDT [#10] Mrs. Miami_JBT's AR at the moment. It will get an optic upgrade in the future.
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Lumpy196 Tough enough for RTF2 Joined Aug 2002 Posts 49225 EE 100% (39) AZ, USA	Posted: 7/22/2018 8:33:01 PM EDT [#11] Quote History Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Mrs. Miami_JBT's AR at the moment. It will get an optic upgrade in the future. https://i.imgur.com/phmsO49.jpg View Quote So is that an IDF clone or a simple rifle?
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Miami_JBT .40 S&W Supreme Leader & Dictator for Life Joined Apr 2007 Posts 58637 EE 100% (7) FL, USA	Posted: 7/22/2018 9:24:11 PM EDT [#12] KISS I believe. No light, BUIS, etc...
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Combat_Diver Team Member Joined Jan 2003 Posts 8262 EE 100% (87) AFG	Posted: 7/23/2018 6:48:22 PM EDT [#13] Just built this one yesterday for my twin granddaughters, one down and another one to build. Attached File CD
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stahlhelm35

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Posted: 7/25/2018 10:03:16 AM EDT

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So I decided to build an IDF carbine, to add to my collection. Using a C7 upper, 6520 barrel with pinned flash hider and peel washers, skinny six hole handguards, type 1 CAR stock with two position stock, Brownells A1 lower and just ordered some accessories for it from Zahl, in Israel.y question is what kind of stampings do they use? I've seen the Star of David stamp but where would I get one and what is the placement of the stampings?

ck2020 Joined Mar 2015 Posts 148 EE 100% (7) SC, USA	Posted: 7/29/2018 12:08:09 AM EDT [#15] Great question

Strela Member Joined Mar 2001 Posts 12659 EE 100% (170) TX, USA	Posted: 8/4/2018 1:35:00 PM EDT [#16] Quote History Originally Posted By ck2020: Great question View Quote It can be done with a laser. Just download a Star of David and size it. Left upper corner of the magwell near the pivot works. Attached File
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ck2020 Joined Mar 2015 Posts 162 EE 100% (7) SC, USA	Posted: 8/4/2018 3:13:53 PM EDT [#17] Is colt the only company that supplies M16/M4 to Isreal?

Deadtired Member Joined Apr 2014 Posts 5386 EE 0% (0) TX, USA	Posted: 8/4/2018 3:20:16 PM EDT [Last Edit: Deadtired] [#18] My truck gun. PSA and S&W parts, built more for the experience building a lower than anything else. SOOOOO much lighter than my primary AR or my duty rifle. Attached File
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Kombatrok Joined Oct 2017 Posts 461 EE 100% (118) FL, USA	Posted: 8/4/2018 4:45:00 PM EDT [#19] Quote History Originally Posted By ck2020: Is colt the only company that supplies M16/M4 to Isreal? View Quote There is anecdotal evidence that Bushmaster may have as well. Bushmaster at a minimum has had contracts with Israel for non AR15 weapons systems.

stahlhelm35 Joined May 2008 Posts 318 EE 100% (8) ID, USA	Posted: 8/6/2018 9:43:43 PM EDT [#20] Is the Star of David, the only marking, the Israelis put on the carbines? If so, ok. If not, can someone show pics of what they are and where the placement would be, please.

Kombatrok

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Posted: 8/6/2018 10:11:07 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By stahlhelm35:
Is the Star of David, the only marking, the Israelis put on the carbines? If so, ok. If not, can someone show pics of what they are and where the placement would be, please.

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Yes the only marking and no standard pacement, but somewhere on the left side of the magwell seems common? As with all things Israeli weapons there is no real standard... any mix of parts and optics and markings is really correct.

Infidel4life11 Bearded Freedom Fighter Joined Dec 2012 Posts 1934 EE 100% (126) USA	Posted: 8/7/2018 7:54:50 PM EDT [#22]
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Posted: 8/7/2018 11:50:19 PM EDT

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Look there's a small M16 attached to that Grenade Launcher!

It's like they had to hang some longer muzzle device to have enough length to hold the launcher.

Grenade man first....... rifleman second.

kokopelli Joined Apr 2005 Posts 1412 EE 100% (74) USA	Posted: 8/8/2018 11:08:49 AM EDT [#24] Quote History Originally Posted By Willmar: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/68624/0FD7D267-4C7F-4867-BE7E-BAE7BF5E5784-602747.JPG Night vision https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/68624/1CE400C9-5DD7-4B81-A763-15ADA0B54D28-602746.JPG View Quote Are these 14.5" barrels? ...looks shorter...

Infidel4life11 Bearded Freedom Fighter Joined Dec 2012 Posts 1938 EE 100% (126) USA	Posted: 8/8/2018 1:44:05 PM EDT [#25] Quote History Originally Posted By gogetumnow: Look there's a small M16 attached to that Grenade Launcher! It's like they had to hang some longer muzzle device to have enough length to hold the launcher. Grenade man first....... rifleman second. View Quote Exactly! “I’m here to chew bubble gum and blow shit up. I’m all out of gum!”
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Infidel4life11 Bearded Freedom Fighter Joined Dec 2012 Posts 1939 EE 100% (126) USA	Posted: 8/8/2018 1:45:52 PM EDT [#26] Quote History Originally Posted By kokopelli: Are these 14.5" barrels? ...looks shorter... View Quote I believe some of them are around 12.5”
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A_Friendly_Manatee

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Posted: 8/8/2018 2:24:17 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By Infidel4life11:
I believe some of them are around 12.5”

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Originally Posted By kokopelli:

Are these 14.5" barrels? ...looks shorter...

I believe some of them are around 12.5”

They're 20" rifle barrels cut down so the muzzle threads start at the flare just behind the rifle-length gas block shoulder. It makes them just below 13".

Look up menusar barrels.

kokopelli Joined Apr 2005 Posts 1418 EE 100% (74) USA	Posted: 8/8/2018 7:10:34 PM EDT [#28] Quote History Originally Posted By A_Friendly_Manatee: They're 20" rifle barrels cut down so the muzzle threads start at the flare just behind the rifle-length gas block shoulder. It makes them just below 13". Look up menusar barrels. View Quote whoa- cool.

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Posted: 8/8/2018 10:46:48 PM EDT

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whoa- cool.

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Originally Posted By A_Friendly_Manatee:

They're 20" rifle barrels cut down so the muzzle threads start at the flare just behind the rifle-length gas block shoulder. It makes them just below 13".

Look up menusar barrels.

whoa- cool.

The mass chopped barrel conversions were due to the US government giving the Israelis a ton of full-size M16A1s during Operation Nickel Grass and the Israelis subsequently wanting to convert them en mass to carbines. This is also why the IDF has a ton of retro M16s, in general, and also why the Galil wasn't widely issued to the IDF, despite being developed around this time.

Infidel4life11 Bearded Freedom Fighter Joined Dec 2012 Posts 1949 EE 100% (126) USA	Posted: 8/10/2018 8:24:05 AM EDT [#30] Quote History Originally Posted By A_Friendly_Manatee: They're 20" rifle barrels cut down so the muzzle threads start at the flare just behind the rifle-length gas block shoulder. It makes them just below 13". Look up menusar barrels. View Quote I read about that shortly after I commented. 1/12 twist?
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familyman357 You can have your funky world, see ya 'round. Joined May 2005 Posts 8905 EE 100% (136) OH, USA	Posted: 8/10/2018 8:36:02 PM EDT [#31] Yep, 1/12.

BePhreed Summerland Minister of Eating and Drinking. Joined Sep 2008 Posts 4899 EE 100% (189) USA	Posted: 8/12/2018 11:23:43 PM EDT [#32] Attached File

Seven-Shooter FDE all the things! Joined Jul 2007 Posts 11907 EE 100% (69) VA, USA	Posted: 8/14/2018 12:28:40 PM EDT [#33] Are 18" kosher?
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Hilltop5757 Joined Mar 2018 Posts 81 EE 0% (0) PA, USA	Posted: 8/14/2018 2:27:16 PM EDT [#34] I like all of that. Is that a Faxon barrel?

Seven-Shooter FDE all the things! Joined Jul 2007 Posts 11910 EE 100% (69) VA, USA	Posted: 8/14/2018 6:42:31 PM EDT [Last Edit: Seven-Shooter] [#35] Quote History Originally Posted By Hilltop5757: I like all of that. Is that a Faxon barrel? View Quote Yup. 18" Gunner profile, wearing a Fulton Armory .625 gas block that's designed to be easier to install without doing taper pins. On top of a Sabre Defense/Cav Arms lower to keep it lightweight and simple.
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schizuki Joined Mar 2011 Posts 188 EE 0% (0) USA	Posted: 8/17/2018 4:23:08 PM EDT [#36] Quote History Originally Posted By MikeE23666: Regarding the IDF carbines, what are the green and black bands around the handguards and stocks all about? View Quote Handguards and stocks get hot in the Mediterranean sun. The stock bands also cover the hole in the top of the stock so it doesn't catch whiskers. They're comfy.

borderpatrol Member Joined Sep 2008 Posts 9545 EE 100% (5) MI, USA	Posted: 8/31/2018 10:36:14 PM EDT [#37] Quote History Originally Posted By ecgRN: Potato pic KISS. http://i.imgur.com/xOtDLPA.jpg View Quote That's a mid-gas rifle, who's rail are you using?

iFeelBad Joined Jul 2018 Posts 68 EE 0% (0) NC, USA	Posted: 9/1/2018 12:04:15 PM EDT [Last Edit: iFeelBad] [#38] Those barrel obstruction/safety flags sure look like a pain to try and get out in a hurry. Basically like there is no quick way to get the rifle into service.

Hilltop5757 Joined Mar 2018 Posts 83 EE 0% (0) PA, USA	Posted: 9/3/2018 4:27:39 PM EDT [#39] New stock. More kiss?

0100010 Not Sure Joined Jan 2003 Posts 6834 EE 100% (5) TX, USA	Posted: 9/3/2018 10:28:33 PM EDT [#40] See a lot of pics with 550 / paracord wrapped around the FSB then to the rear of the handguards, like below. What for? Attached File
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borderpatrol Member Joined Sep 2008 Posts 9559 EE 100% (5) MI, USA	Posted: 9/4/2018 12:47:42 AM EDT [#41] Great looking rifle.

TargetEarth Purebred 13er Joined Jan 2013 Posts 1765 EE 100% (484) ID, USA	Posted: 9/4/2018 1:28:15 PM EDT [#42] So I pinned a 14.5 Colt barrel with a spacer to use with a Colt lower but, the Fab defense stock is commercial (did not know that) and the lowers are staked so
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muzzleloader Joined Dec 2001 Posts 682 EE 100% (52) IL, USA	Posted: 9/4/2018 4:14:55 PM EDT [#43] Quote History Originally Posted By 0100010: See a lot of pics with 550 / paracord wrapped around the FSB then to the rear of the handguards, like below. What for? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68624/4C0A367F-2751-46C3-A181-5371B1794DA4-602756.JPG View Quote Isn't the paracord attached to the sling?

wissota4 Member Joined Jan 2014 Posts 1073 EE 100% (56) MN, USA	Posted: 9/4/2018 5:07:03 PM EDT [#44] Quote History Originally Posted By TargetEarth: So I pinned a 14.5 Colt barrel with a spacer to use with a Colt lower but, the Fab defense stock is commercial (did not know that) and the lowers are staked so https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/333757/IDF7-661010.jpg View Quote Staking isn't permanent.

Green2Blue30 Joined Feb 2017 Posts 2842 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 9/4/2018 5:22:11 PM EDT [#45] KISS pistol

TargetEarth Purebred 13er Joined Jan 2013 Posts 1766 EE 100% (484) ID, USA	Posted: 9/4/2018 5:43:37 PM EDT [#46] Quote History Originally Posted By wissota4: Staking isn't permanent. View Quote True, have not tried to remove one so not sure how much carnage takes place. I have lowers falling off the top shelf so I did not want to molest a Colt, especially after I welded the hider on and forgot the spacer the first time.
	!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rookie mistake, there must never be a gathering... maybe one or two out at a time but any more than that could draw questions. We hate questions. KnightWhoSaysNi

0100010 Not Sure Joined Jan 2003 Posts 6847 EE 100% (5) TX, USA	Posted: 9/4/2018 7:35:52 PM EDT [#47] Quote History Originally Posted By muzzleloader: Isn't the paracord attached to the sling? View Quote Dunno, that is why I ask. :-)
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muzzleloader Joined Dec 2001 Posts 683 EE 100% (52) IL, USA	Posted: 9/4/2018 8:38:36 PM EDT [Last Edit: muzzleloader] [#48] Quote History Originally Posted By 0100010: Dunno, that is why I ask. :-) View Quote Spoiler: it is. I think its easier to see if your save the picture and then mess around with the light adjustments in photoshop or similar programs.

Willmar If only you spoke Hovitos! Joined Feb 2005 Posts 15918 EE 100% (32) LA, USA	Posted: 9/4/2018 10:24:58 PM EDT [Last Edit: Willmar] [#49] Anyone else think it looks like a 16” barrel? Attached File Attached File Attached File Interesting combination of barrel lengths. Attached File
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Willmar If only you spoke Hovitos! Joined Feb 2005 Posts 15919 EE 100% (32) LA, USA	Posted: 9/4/2018 10:26:44 PM EDT [#50] Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File
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