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6/29/2006 2:51:37 AM EDT
Not sure if Troy updated his chart or not (cannot find it) but the ATF has posted the numbers of rifles produced in 2004

LINK to ATF statistics

a quick rundown of the more prominent makers:

Bushmaster- 44,643 (including AZ production of carbons- 2,696 and 295 exported)

Colt - 14,245 (includes 540 exported guns)

Armalite 10,013

RRA - 8,742


"It just goes to show, _________________"
6/29/2006 4:58:15 AM EDT
[#1]
DPMS - 11,389
6/29/2006 5:23:14 AM EDT
[#2]
Bushmaster will soon be the new Colt.
6/29/2006 5:26:07 AM EDT
[#3]
Vulcan = 1,115 rifles and 757 pistols... that means there are at least 1,672 new suckers out there...

This is intersting tho, AK-USA made 1 pistol and only 49 rifles this year. I am assuming that does not take into account his conversions.
6/29/2006 5:44:28 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Bushmaster will soon be the new Colt.





Not unless they take over military production.
6/29/2006 5:49:01 AM EDT
[#5]
That’s not  far fetched at all if you ask me, Bushmaster is the most likely candidate to do it in my opinion.
6/29/2006 6:18:42 AM EDT
[#6]
Do these numbers include military sales? I do not see FN in the numbers.
6/29/2006 6:41:43 AM EDT
[#7]
tag
6/29/2006 6:55:37 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Do these numbers include military sales? I do not see FN in the numbers.



I don't think so, IIRC
6/29/2006 7:12:56 AM EDT
[#9]
Sweet thanks. Does the YTD MFG account for the the post AWB production?It's amazing how many Brycos are sold. Also how many Kimber's are sold.
6/29/2006 8:13:50 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Vulcan = 1,115 rifles and 757 pistols... that means there are at least 1,672 new suckers out there... .


That's 4.58 suckers born every day, or a sucker born every 314 minutes
6/29/2006 8:16:54 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Bushmaster will soon be the new Colt.





Not unless they take over military production.




Has nothing to do with military production.  Bushmaster will never be the new colt, because BUSHMASTER has GOOD customer service.
6/29/2006 9:22:56 AM EDT
[#12]
And to remind us which companies rule the roost in terms of sheer numbers of weapons manufactured:
Ruger made 248,000+ rifles alone in 2004. Marlin made 228,000+ rifles.
Remington cranked out over 319,000+ shotguns

I think the most disturbing stat was that Bryco Arms made more pistols (non revolver) than any of the following manufacturers: Beretta,Sig,Kimber or Smith and Wesson. That's a lot of crappy pistols!

Who is Beemiller,Inc?


6/29/2006 9:34:44 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Who is Beemiller,Inc?





Hi Point
6/29/2006 10:35:38 AM EDT
[#14]
That's 2,959,105 more guns in the US, not even couting those that were imported.
6/29/2006 11:19:19 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
Do these numbers include military sales? I do not see FN in the numbers.


I'll bet those numbers are based on FET tax returns for the year in question.  I'm also sure that the FET tax is waived on firearms destined for the government, which is why Bushmaster "looks" like it ships more than Colt.

FN is only allowed to build M16s for the government, pays no FET tax and has no FET paper trail.
6/29/2006 12:18:32 PM EDT
[#16]
Those numbers do not include .Gov sales
6/29/2006 3:26:35 PM EDT
[#17]
These numbers can be a bit misleading especially for the smaller guys that build some guns on their own receivers and build other guns on someone elses receiver.  Also, if you sell a bare receiver out the door to a customer on a 4473 or to a type 01 FFL it counts on this form, but if you sell it to another 07 FFL it does not.  Here's the instructions on the form submitted by the manufacturer's.

ATF Form 5300.11  Annual Firearms Manufacturing and Exportation

"Firearms manufactured during the Calender Year, to include separate frames or receivers, actions, or barreled actions, disposed of in commerce.  A manufacturer who uses these items, produced by another licensed manufacturer, in the assembly and production of complete firearms, will include the manufacture of these firearms in this report.  Separate frames or receivers, actions or barreled actions, are to be included in this report when they are exported or disposed of in commerce to a person other than a licensed manufacturer."

Exceptions include, military sales, receivers sent to another licensed manufacturer, DD's, Antiques, foreign manufactured receivers, firearms remanufactured or customized and previously in the possession of a nonlicensee.



6/29/2006 4:11:38 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
That’s not  far fetched at all if you ask me, Bushmaster is the most likely candidate to do it in my opinion.


They would have to change their manufacturing practices.
6/29/2006 4:22:14 PM EDT
[#19]
with all those names with one gun made, I was wondering if it included SBR applications? or Machinegun builds?

There were numerous John Q Smith types.

But I suppose that would be thousands of onesy twosies, huh?





(as I mentioned  earlier, TM Troy had gussied up an excel chart with the years 2000-2003 with all AR builders on it, but I couldn't even find it with an archive hunt)

2005 numbers are the ones I am anxious to see, as they will include the "gold rush days" following the sunset
6/29/2006 4:23:08 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
These numbers can be a bit misleading especially for the smaller guys that build some guns on their own receivers and build other guns on someone elses receiver.  Also, if you sell a bare receiver out the door to a customer on a 4473 or to a type 01 FFL it counts on this form, but if you sell it to another 07 FFL it does not.  Here's the instructions on the form submitted by the manufacturer's.

ATF Form 5300.11  Annual Firearms Manufacturing and Exportation

"Firearms manufactured during the Calender Year, to include separate frames or receivers, actions, or barreled actions, disposed of in commerce.  A manufacturer who uses these items, produced by another licensed manufacturer, in the assembly and production of complete firearms, will include the manufacture of these firearms in this report.  Separate frames or receivers, actions or barreled actions, are to be included in this report when they are exported or disposed of in commerce to a person other than a licensed manufacturer."

Exceptions include, military sales, receivers sent to another licensed manufacturer, DD's, Antiques, foreign manufactured receivers, firearms remanufactured or customized and previously in the possession of a nonlicensee.







So it includes stripped reciever sales?


6/29/2006 4:27:27 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Bushmaster will soon be the new Colt.

Not unless they take over military production.

+1  When Bushmaster wins a contract to produce some real M16/M4 rifles, they're just making copycats.  But I still like them, and continue to purchase BM's products.
6/29/2006 4:58:07 PM EDT
[#22]
Yes, it includes stripped reciever sales, but only when the stripped receiver was sold out the door to a walk-up customer or to another NON-07 FFL (manufacturer).  If the manufacturer sold the stripped receiver to a pawn broker or a standard buy/sell 01 dealer/distributor then it is included on this report.
That's if the manufacturer read the fine print and filled out the form correctly....which is unlikely.

At the end of the year, you have to go back and review every friggin receiver sale, pull their FFL copy and determine if it was an 07 FFL you sold it to or not.  Then you add up all the walk-in sales, non 07 sales, exclude the 07 FFL sales and put it on the report.  Then you have to go through and find all the stripped receivers that you logged in from other 07 FFL's (inbound) and if you built the gun up on that receiver and shipped it out, then it gets on the report as well, even though your name is not on the side of the gun as the manufacturer.   Of course none of this matches up with the FE Tax that was paid, since it only applies to complete fireable guns that you built regardless of who's receiver you used.

Tony Rumore

6/29/2006 5:14:34 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
That’s not  far fetched at all if you ask me, Bushmaster is the most likely candidate to do it in my opinion.



Their QC would never be up to the task.  If they can't build 'em right for civilians they won't build 'em right for the military.
6/29/2006 5:17:14 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
Bushmaster will never be the new colt, because BUSHMASTER has GOOD customer service.



That's because they have to...
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