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6/22/2006 5:29:28 PM EDT
can you adjust the front sight with something other than a front sight adjustment tool? like a standard tool? if not where can i get a fsat?
6/22/2006 5:32:36 PM EDT
[#1]
Yes. Adjust it using the tip of a round.
6/22/2006 6:01:50 PM EDT
[#2]
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Yes. Adjust it using the tip of a round.


+1. Didn't even own a sight adjustment tool for years back when I bought my first sporter.
6/22/2006 8:18:34 PM EDT
[#3]
Round, Nail, Ball Point Pen, Gerber/Leatherman, etc. etc.
6/22/2006 8:22:27 PM EDT
[#4]
Its almost like it was made to be adjusted by a finish nail.  A round works, but the nail is better.
6/22/2006 8:25:01 PM EDT
[#5]
The FRONT SIGHTS ADJUST! ! ! ! !  THATS FUKKIN COOL!!!!!!!!!  

I use the tip of a bullet whenver I feel the need to play aorund.
6/22/2006 8:32:24 PM EDT
[#6]
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Its almost like it was made to be adjusted by a finish nail.  A round works, but the nail is better.


When I went through bootcamp, the Drill Instructors gave us a finish nail and we dummy corded with boot lace to our cover through one of the eyelets.  

Using A1's back then and you had to change your front sight dope at each firing line. (200, 300, 500).
6/23/2006 12:08:08 AM EDT
[#7]
The eraser on a pencil also works.
6/23/2006 1:05:51 AM EDT
[#8]
All those things mentioned above will work, but a front sight adjustment tool works much better.  You can get one from DPMS.

www.dpmsinc.com/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=TL-A2

DW
6/23/2006 2:23:56 AM EDT
[#9]
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The eraser on a pencil also works.



???????

Please explain that one!
6/23/2006 2:25:29 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Quoted:
The eraser on a pencil also works.



???????

Please explain that one!


He's saying to turn the post, an eraser works...
6/23/2006 2:29:54 AM EDT
[#11]
I used to do the Bullet tip thing, but i got tired of dealing with that, so I spet some money on a sight adjustment tool.

One note of caution; there are two different types of SATs*; the 5-tip model for SP1/A1 type FSPs and a 4 tip one for A2/M4 type FSP.

(Edited - Damn! I can't get a break these days.)
6/23/2006 2:44:29 AM EDT
[#12]
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I used to do the Bullet tip thing, but i got tired of dealing with that, so I spet some money on a sight adjustment tool.

One note of caution; there are two different types of SATs*; the 4-tip model for SP1/A1 type FSPs and a 5 tip one for A2/M4 type FSP; I know I'll get flamed for even suggesting to buy an SAT* instead of being all macho-like and use a bullet tip.

BLAH! Whatever; I still have my SAT* and no, you can't borrow it; get yout own!!!

*Sight Adjustment Tool - for those of you in Rio Linda.


You'll probably get more flak for getting the tools mixed up

The A1 sight uses the 5 pin tool, the A2 sight uses the 4 pin tool....

Matt
6/23/2006 3:12:47 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Quoted:
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The eraser on a pencil also works.



???????

Please explain that one!


He's saying to turn the post, an eraser works...



Sorry, I still can’t picture how a pencil eraser helps adjust the front site?  
6/23/2006 3:16:02 AM EDT
[#14]
the ar doesn't normally loose zero with iron sights right? if i want/need to change it it would only be for another user or zeroing for a longer distance right? in boot camp our DS's adjusted our front sights for us, and we zeroed at 30 meters. that held out to 300 meters. I've read a few articles written by marines serving over in iraq that basically said that they zeroed poa at 150 meters and they shot 6 oclock at 25 meters. so that's what i'm thinking i want to do. i'm not doing distance shooting, i'm setting it up more for "urban warfare and clearing."
6/23/2006 4:10:40 AM EDT
[#15]
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Quoted:
I used to do the Bullet tip thing, but i got tired of dealing with that, so I spet some money on a sight adjustment tool.

One note of caution; there are two different types of SATs*; the 4-tip model for SP1/A1 type FSPs and a 5 tip one for A2/M4 type FSP; I know I'll get flamed for even suggesting to buy an SAT* instead of being all macho-like and use a bullet tip.

BLAH! Whatever; I still have my SAT* and no, you can't borrow it; get yout own!!!

*Sight Adjustment Tool - for those of you in Rio Linda.


You'll probably get more flak for getting the tools mixed up

The A1 sight uses the 5 pin tool, the A2 sight uses the 4 pin tool....

Matt


Or maybe for using terms like "Macho", or using a Rush-ism.......
6/23/2006 7:11:27 AM EDT
[#16]
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the ar doesn't normally loose zero with iron sights right? if i want/need to change it it would only be for another user or zeroing for a longer distance right? in boot camp our DS's adjusted our front sights for us, and we zeroed at 30 meters. that held out to 300 meters. I've read a few articles written by marines serving over in iraq that basically said that they zeroed poa at 150 meters and they shot 6 oclock at 25 meters. so that's what i'm thinking i want to do. i'm not doing distance shooting, i'm setting it up more for "urban warfare and clearing."



If your looking at shorter engagement distances such as in a CQB environment try the Santose 50m Improved Battlesite Zero.

groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/improvedbattlesightzero.msnw
6/23/2006 11:52:46 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Quoted:
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The eraser on a pencil also works.



???????

Please explain that one!


He's saying to turn the post, an eraser works...
hr



Sorry, I still can’t picture how a pencil eraser helps adjust the front site?   hr
It just makes turning the post much easier then getting a couple of fat fingers on the post while depressing the pin with say a round or something similar.  You still need to depress the pin.  Sorry for any confusion.  
6/23/2006 12:01:09 PM EDT
[#18]
I have one of the neato double ended SATs.  4 prong on one end, 5 prong on the other.

Used it exactly one time.  Waste of money, I prefer to use a buller tip.

If I can find it I'll list it on the EE.
6/23/2006 12:06:03 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
The eraser on a pencil also works.



???????

Please explain that one!


He's saying to turn the post, an eraser works...



Sorry, I still can’t picture how a pencil eraser helps adjust the front site?  
It just makes turning the post much easier then getting a couple of fat fingers on the post while depressing the pin with say a round or something similar.  You still need to depress the pin.  Sorry for any confusion.  


Ok.

When I do make adjustments to my front sight, regardless what tool I’m using, whether it be a 5.56 round or any other pointed object, my adjustment is one motion. I depress the sight plunger and turn the sight post all in one shot. Never even attempted to hold the plunger down with one tool, then turn the FSP with another. Seems like extra work.
6/23/2006 12:11:26 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
The eraser on a pencil also works.



???????

Please explain that one!


He's saying to turn the post, an eraser works...



Sorry, I still can’t picture how a pencil eraser helps adjust the front site?  
It just makes turning the post much easier then getting a couple of fat fingers on the post while depressing the pin with say a round or something similar.  You still need to depress the pin.  Sorry for any confusion.  


Ok.

When I do make adjustments to my front sight, regardless what tool I’m using, whether it be a 5.56 round or any other pointed object, my adjustment is one motion. I depress the sight plunger and turn the sight post all in one shot. Never even attempted to hold the plunger down with one tool, then turn the FSP with another. Seems like extra work.

www.hunt101.com/img/416591.JPG


+1  I thought that was what you were supposed to do.

Elvis
6/23/2006 12:14:40 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:

+1  I thought that was what you were supposed to do.

Elvis


Same here. Never had a need for a sight adjustment tool either.
6/23/2006 1:08:49 PM EDT
[#22]
IIRC, wasnt the M16 family of weapons designed so that that the tip of the M193 bullet would/could adjust the A1 rear sight, the A1/A2 front sight, take down the bolt, punch out the receiver pins, ... and STILL be fired out of the rifle?  

I aint got no speshul tools for duh front site.  
6/24/2006 12:25:33 AM EDT
[#23]
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+1  I thought that was what you were supposed to do.hy.gif

Elvis


Same here. Never had a need for a sight adjustment tool either.
The obvious had been mentioned so I threw out another one.  I never really thought it would be given so much thought.  The eraser thing or using a front sight tool is really only handy when you remove or replace the sight  post spring and pin as opposed to just an adjustment.  Of course it still isnt necessary.  For adjustments, I do it the same way as most people do.  With the tip of a round.  Ya know, kinda like in that picture up there.  
6/24/2006 1:27:52 PM EDT
[#24]
i use the SAT to remove and replace sights.  its a bitch to do using a bullet, takes forever.  a $5 tool is well worth it to me.  i have replaced quite a few sights in my day.
6/24/2006 3:24:58 PM EDT
[#25]
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i use the SAT to remove and replace sights.  its a bitch to do using a bullet, takes forever.  a $5 tool is well worth it to me.  i have replaced quite a few sights in my day.
I maintain quite a few M16's, M4's and a few AR's, so I have a couple SAT's and agree with you on that.  But sometimes if for some reason I dont have one around, an eraser end of a pencil can also make the removal and replacement job easier.  he
6/24/2006 4:59:28 PM EDT
[#26]
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i use the SAT to remove and replace sights.  its a bitch to do using a bullet, takes forever.  a $5 tool is well worth it to me.  i have replaced quite a few sights in my day.
I maintain quite a few M16's, M4's and a few AR's, so I have a couple SAT's and agree with you on that.  But sometimes if for some reason I dont have one around, an eraser end of a pencil can also make the removal and replacement job easier.  

I was attempting to give some outside of the box thinking when I mentioned it earlier.  


That all makes perfect sense, I just wasn’t looking at it from a “changing numerous FSP’s as an armorer” angle, but more from an “on the line” angle. I just don’t want new guys to think that FSP adjustments can’t be made with anything other than a FS adj tool.

And the eraser thing had me wondering there for awhile, just never heard of it in the 25+ years I’ve been exposed to AR’s or M16’s.
6/24/2006 5:55:01 PM EDT
[#27]
You know what's rather funny.....some of you guys will spend big bucks on stocks, railed free float tubes, lasers, lights, scopes, etc.....but you call a 5 dollar sight adjustment tool a waste of money.

Ok.

DW
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