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Posted: 6/9/2006 1:56:42 AM EDT
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Fellow Lefties, I have a question about ejection. When holding an AR in the room clearing position whereby the rear hand is held near the rear shoulder and the stock runs past it behind you. By this, the rifle is not really shouldered at all, one just looks through an elevated optic w/o a cheek weld. This is not the one where you hold the rifle butt on your chest, sometimes called the heads up position. The advantage of this non shouldered position is that the distance the muzzle extends out past you is the shortest of all Anyway, in this position, does hot brass go down your shirt collar or anything. Is it too much to bear. Does all the barss bouncing around ever rebound back into the ejection port? |
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When in that position you need to cant the weapon a little to deal with the potential ejection issues. You have to practice this as all weapons do not have the same ejection pattern. Like anything else you need to make it work for you by practicing. I do not see a need for lefty guns except on a precision bolt gun. 
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+1 on canting the weapon. You must be a LEO. If not, do you really ever find yourself clearing a house or building with your AR? I understand what your asking as I'm a lefty, but I don't think I'll need to use this method unless the SHTF big time. Let me re phrase that. I hope I won't have to use this method. I use my 1911 for home defense. |
I am right handed but have tried the technique you describe both right and left. FWIW I train all techniques both strong and weak hand (or right and wrong hand if you will )In a very minimal amount of shooting I did not have any brass get lodged anywhere uncomfortable. Having brass rebound into the ejection port is a small chance with any weapon if the ejected brass hits something. The action is fast enough it would have to be right on the wall and even then it would be a long shot to happen at all. FWIW I didn't like this clearing technique at all and don't use it. I can't see any reason to cough up the change for a left ejection unit. Spend the extra on more ammo. Stay safe Joe |
| Personally I don't see how it's possible to get brass in your shirt shooting left handed no matter what position you hold the rifle in. I shoot left handed and even with the stock up on my shoulder and the pistol grip back against my chest, the ejection port is still about 3 inches in front of my face. Since both my AR's eject forward, it seems to me to be impossible for empty brass to get anywhere near my shirt. An AR without a brass deflector, and one that ejected at a hard rearward angle, might brush your face with empties, but I can't see it happening when a brass deflector is present. |
Exactly, planning a few house clearing missions soon?  |
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Getting brass down your shirt is possible if your gun is ejecting to the rear and catches your collar. Ask me how I know. Most will do this and that is why the brass deflector was added so the problem has been solved. I had entertained the idea of buying a Stag left handed upper but nixed the idea as it is a solution for a problem I don't have. Still a neat idea though. |
It's no trouble. Just buy an upper and slap it on. I have had hot cases go down my collar, and it hurts like hell. The left hand rifles are the greates thing since sliced bread. |
| Way back when I was doing BRM in basic with an M16A1 without the built in brass deflector I got a few rounds down the collar. They made me use the plastic insert brass deflector but after a few empty cases got fed back into the breech sideways I figured out how to just set it on there so it fell off after a shot or two hats With my Colt AR I bought recently with built in brass deflector it hasnt been an issue, but I havent been trying any fancy techniques either |
I am really not sure what you are referring to. I probably did have a typo or two in an earlier post but I don't understand the basis of your comment since it seems that we should grant eachother a little latitude for minor errors. Or maybe you are just being rude. Perhaps I reminded you of some asshole you know. Sorry.
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I am a lefty that shoots right handed AR's, and yes I have had brass go inside my shirt, T shirt, in my face, and down my long sleeve shirts if they were not buttoned tight. First experience was in ARMY basic when it went down my BDU sleeve. Needless to say I buttoned my right sleeve tight after that experience. I learned pretty quickly how to adjust the extraction path so that my brass would get thrown out no farther back than 3 o"clock. I still prefer to shoot right-handed semi-autos and bolt guns because I am faster with them and like having the ejection port on the same side as my face so that I can see any FTF problems in the shooting position without having to turn the rifle on its right side. It does not matter what type of position you shoot your AR. If the ejector path is going rearward enough you are going to have problems if you are a lefty. |
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As a fellow lefty I picked up a tip from another ARFCOM'r. Put a piece of the soft Velcro on the deflector. It seems to tame the brass down. It is also quieter and one less area to scrub brass marks off. Hot brass and being lefty isn't the best combo. I always wear a baseball hat, glasses, and tighter fitting tshirt (no collar to catch the brass) seems to help a lot. If you want to completely fix the situation get a Stag Arms Lefty. |
| Wow, I've never had a problem with the brass. Is there some kind of adjustment you could do with your extractor or ejector? I've got two ARs and never have I had the problems I've been reading of in this thread. I guess I'm just lucky, but now I know why Stag started there lefty version. I always saw them as a waste of money. |
Yes it does. Even worse when your partner at the range drops one down you back and it gets lodged under the shirt and vest which forces it into contact with skin until it cools down. Got a heckuva burn mark last time out that way. I've actually seen .223 brass stick to a neck once. At least it was someone elses neck. Joe |
First, as a Lefty and Marine with first hand experience in brass down my shirt, stuck to my neck, etc….yes, it can hurt like hell. The position you described was used typically for room clearing etc when I was active duty….. and with practice with your particular weapon you could adjust it enough to keep brass away from your face, neck, collar etc. Your best solution to this is to obtain a Stag Lefty upper. I have never bought one because I guess over all these years I have grown accustomed to gas in my face and brass whizzing by.
In turn, I’d advise you take a break from the boards, rather then logging in and being an ass. From the amount of responses it seems most understood him just fine. I’ll even go a step further and state…learn to spell American. I note from your bio information you are shipping out to Marine Corps boot camp tomorrow, I look forward to your posts and attitude adjustment after you complete it. From a Marine who has been there, listen to your instructors and drill instructors, they will use some of this very same “fancy-make-myself-sound-smart language” and I would advise you ask questions if you don’t understand. They are teaching you the basic of skills to stay alive and keep your fellow Marine alive. God Bless. |
At the time, tilting our head slightly....or a Reflex sight. |
So when you say "tilting our head" do you mean you were looking through the irons, or just looking up the barrel kind of like aiming a shotgun w/ vent rib or even a pool stick? BTW, thanks for your service Blackwind. |
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