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Posted: 3/21/2006 1:57:55 AM EDT
[#1]
I dont care much for 20" HBAR but the 16" HBAR on my Middy feels just right to me.
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Posted: 3/21/2006 2:59:05 AM EDT
[#2]
Like I said I have A
Bushmaster 14.7ish HBAR A1 Shorty w/ ML2 Also a 14.5 M4 LMT w/ 551 They are both Very accurate! But I rather pack the LMT M4 over a heavy HBAR? |
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Posted: 3/21/2006 3:15:14 AM EDT
[#3]
not my preference, but I can see how others would like them.
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Posted: 3/21/2006 4:20:23 AM EDT
[#4]
Isn't that the truth 
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Posted: 3/21/2006 10:03:09 AM EDT
[#5]
+1 |
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Posted: 3/21/2006 10:05:40 AM EDT
[#6]
Ah yes, I was waiting for some lazy fat guy to make this idiotic argument! You don't like wearing pants? Well run around naked! |
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Posted: 3/21/2006 10:10:36 AM EDT
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Yup. Everyone hates the HBAR lately, yet they'll mount 87 pounds of retarded magpul shit and optics and rails on there stupid gun.  Crap! Give me a box stock HBAR A2, and I'm happy any day of the week. 
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Posted: 3/21/2006 10:30:22 AM EDT
[#8]
I love my 20" HBAR!! AR heavy ain't the same as other rifle heavy!! Or so it seems.
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Posted: 3/21/2006 10:30:46 AM EDT
[#9]
Mark please knock it off with this stuff outside of GD. Thanks. |
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Posted: 3/21/2006 10:33:48 AM EDT
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The HBAR is useless weight. Id rather have a rail system and flash light instead of a hunk of steel for the same weight. Heavy stocks just balance the rifle and have no relavance when discussing the fact HBARs make a rifle front heavy.
Balanced rifle = good. The total weight is not what matters. |
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Posted: 3/21/2006 10:35:28 AM EDT
[#11]
I love mine
 My main rifle is a 16" HBar Bushy A3. I have 2 rifles that have ER Shaw 16" 1:9 HBar's and I'm gonna build a 20" HBar soon. My wife has a gov profile rifle that feels to light to me. I'm just use to the weight of the HBar's. |
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Posted: 3/21/2006 10:38:50 AM EDT
[#12]
I have both and like them the same. I tend to put more shit on the gov. profile ARs. the Hbars are my KISS and varminter guns. I am building my wife a light weight AR and have been looking for a 14.5 lightweight barrel. CMMG is the only place that said they could do it. I have not tried ADCO but I'm sure they would make me one from an HBAR.
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Posted: 3/21/2006 10:43:09 AM EDT
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It would be worthwhile to comment that short barrels reduce the amount of leverage that the barrel has, making the fulcrum of the lever move to the rear and making short guns much easier to carry.
I would take a 12.5 inch heavy barrel over a 20 inch Gov any day. |
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Posted: 3/21/2006 10:44:30 AM EDT
[#14]
good point |
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Posted: 3/21/2006 12:44:39 PM EDT
[#15]
I see a lot of gov profile barrels in shotgun news. some are cheaper than the H-BARS. |
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Posted: 3/21/2006 1:22:08 PM EDT
[#16]
I think it has something to do with a war on terror.... |
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Posted: 3/21/2006 1:34:49 PM EDT
[#17]
No, I luv my HBARS, and I luv my Gov Prof. I luvs all my children the same.
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Posted: 3/21/2006 1:46:16 PM EDT
[#18]
No I Love my HBAR's both my 24" and my 20". The weight dampens the recoil nicely YMMV.
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Posted: 3/21/2006 1:52:14 PM EDT
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Only Colt and FN are shipping those barrels, and they are almost certainly not making so many rifles that the supply of blanks is being used. Whoever is machining the 20" HBARs could have made them into government profiles, if they cared to. |
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Posted: 3/21/2006 2:40:57 PM EDT
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Nothing wrong with an HBAR, except that it might seem a little too heavy for the average person to carry around all day. Target shooters have used heavy barrels to their advantage for years, since the added weight tends to keep the rifle steady whether it's being rested on a bench or in the hand. It can also be argued that there may be less barrel flex, or "whip," and a heavy barrel has more metal and takes longer to heat up.
I doubt that the majority of the people here intend to take their HBARs with them into the war. If they DO, however, maybe they SHOULD consider something lighter. Aside from those who are just building a "model" of something they saw on TV, most of these rifles will likely be used mainly at the target range or for stationary hunting. For these purposes, the HBAR is just fine. Oh, wait... we just wanted to hear from those who HATE the HBAR. Sorry; that wouldn't be me.
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Posted: 3/21/2006 2:47:57 PM EDT
[#21]
Get both.
In all seriousness I like the HBAR, it just looks right to me. 
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Posted: 3/21/2006 2:51:27 PM EDT
[#22]
SamColt
Thanks for pointing that out Mr. Internetkeyboard etiquette Nazi... But if your going to talk about Weapons and not sound like an 16 year , using the correct nomenclature is a common technique. And when you see a barrel that is stamped "PENCIL 5.56MM C MP 1/7 " you let me know..... Cause the letters HBAR sure are...... Oh and the letter B in the word About, is not capitalized....................  |
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Posted: 3/21/2006 3:03:20 PM EDT
[#23]
Yeah, I agree. I took the barrel off my Colt HBAR and sold it, 'cause I couldn't stand the way it was unbalanced and front heavy. I put a 16" M4 on it, but I'd like to get a 20" gov't profile........By the way, if anybody has a 20" gov't they want to trade for a 16" M4, let me know, but it must be Colt.
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Posted: 3/21/2006 3:26:08 PM EDT
[#24]
I love both of my AR barrels, (16" HBAR and 20" gov profile) because they are mine, and I have lots of good memories of shooting them. That said, I think that even with my 20" gov profile on it, my A2 clone is borderline front heavy, so I guess that puts me in the gov profile camp.
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Posted: 3/21/2006 3:56:21 PM EDT
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Somebody likes them because I've been trying to find a 16" chrome-lined HBAR. Colt or RRA.
And I'm even looking for a post-ban neutered barrel for an SBR... 
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Posted: 3/23/2006 7:08:32 AM EDT
[#26]
you're record of adding nothing useful to this thread is impeccable. Well done Jr. |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 7:30:15 AM EDT
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The heavier HBAR "tracks" better on moving targets.
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Posted: 3/23/2006 7:51:42 AM EDT
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PC is better than Mac. I prefer chocolate on my peanut butter. This thread is a waste of bandwidth - moderator, please LOCK. |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 8:00:19 AM EDT
[#29]
 THE CHUCK HAS SPOKEN!!! |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 2:21:36 PM EDT
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from Sam Colt
Pot.... Meet Kettle............ So what useful info did you bring to this thread??? Oh yea.. the made up term" Pencil" Barrel Thanks Hero....... your a Gem............ 
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Posted: 3/23/2006 3:16:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2006 3:30:00 PM EDT
[#32]
I like H-bars. I like flat tops to (the rifles). H-bars have permanent sights, easily mount stuff on all 4 rails and have a position left for the eotech.
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Posted: 3/23/2006 5:51:28 PM EDT
[#33]
I too like H-Bars and shoot one regularly,but I would not even think about pushing my preference on anyone.To each his own.If you don't like something,then don't buy it.
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Posted: 3/23/2006 7:51:09 PM EDT
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I love all my barrels, even the big, ugly, heavy H-bars. Maybe even especially the H-bars. Ha. Like my Dad says, all barrels are good...just some better than others. Just go shoot it.
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Posted: 3/23/2006 8:03:01 PM EDT
[#35]
I Love H-BARS. Especially when fluted under the handguards!!
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Posted: 3/23/2006 8:11:18 PM EDT
[#36]
I don't like hbars cause they don't balence the rifle out well.. nose heavy.... and I need to grow stronger.
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Posted: 3/23/2006 8:14:40 PM EDT
[#37]
+1 I hate 'em!
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Posted: 3/23/2006 8:17:25 PM EDT
[#38]
Talk to Steve at ADCO... He can machine whatever you want! |
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Posted: 3/23/2006 8:21:43 PM EDT
[#39]
Ill bet that some here complaining about the HBAR weight are the same people who hang 5 lbs of extra crap off their carbines.
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Posted: 3/23/2006 9:18:17 PM EDT
[#40]
Hbar's rock.
I can bumpfire all day long without my POI changing. 
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Posted: 3/24/2006 6:15:52 AM EDT
[#41]
I have fluted chrome lined bushy HBAR's on the 3 ar's that I own. Two 16" and one 20". Hbars are better for holding a consistent point of impact during sustained fire, once that barrel heats up. They also help with staying on target due to less muzzle flip from recoil. And the fluting makes the weight difference negligible compared to a govt profile.
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Posted: 3/24/2006 8:00:09 AM EDT
[#42]
no brainiac you're (not your) wrong again. I gave my opinion and we're still wondering where you stand on the Hbar vs. "pencil" barrel discussion..... 
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Posted: 3/24/2006 9:34:16 AM EDT
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The only AR that I've ever owned is a Colt Match HBar. Now, if I knew what I know now about the matter, I wouldn't have gotten the HBar. But sixteen years ago, terms like "HBAR" and "Match" magically added value to everything.
 With a RAS, Surefire, ACOG, and other things hanging off of it, it is quite heavy. It does, however, make off-hand shooting a bit easier. That is to say, much easier to hit what you are aiming at. The added weight is not such a liability that it would make me want to go through the hassle of rebarreling it. Especially since my "light" rifle of choice is a Mini-14  |
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