Warning

 

Close

Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Confirm Cancel
Member Login
Posted: 2/15/2006 1:16:26 PM EDT
Bushmaster's website just listed a new model called the "Predator". Seems to be a
Varmiter with a shorter barrel with the 1:8 twist.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 1:39:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jhpsr45:
Bushmaster's website just listed a new model called the "Predator". Seems to be a
Varmiter with a shorter barrel with the 1:8 twist.



Might just get one.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 3:34:21 PM EDT
I wonder how much it weighs. My 20" HBAR bushy with a scope weighs in at 10 lbs even. Very accurate, but for anything other than benchrest shooting its in need of some weight loss.

From the Bushmaster website:
Predator features include a hybrid SAAMI Spec. chamber, Two-Stage Competition Trigger (3 1/2 lb. take-up and 1 lb let-off); a Vented Aluminum Free-Floater Forend with Bipod Stud; B.M.A.S. 1/2" Mini-Risers for optimum scope positioning and cheek weld; Hogue ergonomic, ambidextrous pistol grip; a 5 Round Magazine (legal for hunting in most states).

Just what exactly is a hybrid SAAMI Spec. chamber? Intended more for match-grade ammo instead of cheap plinking ammo?

Looks interesting to me....
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 7:20:11 PM EDT
yeah i've got a couple of questions posted on the bushmaster forum hoping i might get an answer since the bushmaster people frequent there. at least on an irregular basis. but irregular is better than none.


jake
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 7:34:20 PM EDT

Just what exactly is a hybrid SAAMI Spec. chamber? Intended more for match-grade ammo instead of cheap plinking ammo?

Sounds like a Wilde chamber, it's a compromise between a Saami and 5.56 chamber, intended for better accuracy than a 5.56 chamber, but not as tight as a Saami chamber.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 7:37:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/16/2006 7:37:46 PM EDT by Bushwacker85]

Originally Posted By Capt_Wizzbang:
I wonder how much it weighs. My 20" HBAR bushy with a scope weighs in at 10 lbs even. Very accurate, but for anything other than benchrest shooting its in need of some weight loss.

From the Bushmaster website:
Predator features include a hybrid SAAMI Spec. chamber, Two-Stage Competition Trigger (3 1/2 lb. take-up and 1 lb let-off); a Vented Aluminum Free-Floater Forend with Bipod Stud; B.M.A.S. 1/2" Mini-Risers for optimum scope positioning and cheek weld; Hogue ergonomic, ambidextrous pistol grip; a 5 Round Magazine (legal for hunting in most states).

Just what exactly is a hybrid SAAMI Spec. chamber? Intended more for match-grade ammo instead of cheap plinking ammo?

Looks interesting to me....



Maybe it's something like a Wylde chamber?

ETA damn beat
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 2:41:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/17/2006 2:42:37 PM EDT by deerkillindad21]
if i'm wrong someone PLEASE correct me as i want to know the right terminology, but i thought the SAAMI chamber is the same as the Wylde. i always thought that it was one of those two name things, but i could very easily be wrong as it's something i haven't studied very hard. again, please correct me if i'm wrong.
ETA:nevermind, i've been corrected before i even typed-didn't see that post.

jake
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 2:53:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/17/2006 2:54:31 PM EDT by chris157c]

Originally Posted By deerkillindad21:
if i'm wrong someone PLEASE correct me as i want to know the right terminology, but i thought the SAAMI chamber is the same as the Wylde. i always thought that it was one of those two name things, but i could very easily be wrong as it's something i haven't studied very hard. again, please correct me if i'm wrong.
ETA:nevermind, i've been corrected before i even typed-didn't see that post.

jake



SAAMI is very tight intended for .223 only, 5.56 chamber is used for said round and .223, although a.223 fits loosely in the chamber. WYLDE is a compromise that can safely chamber both rounds, but have tighter specs than the 5.56.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 3:13:50 PM EDT
Just advised by Bushmaster that they have shipped my new Predator upper. It's going on my Bushy lower with JP Enterprises trigger parts. Chamber specs don't matter to me as long
as it will shoot itty bitty groups a long way off and homogenize coyotes. Will report facts later.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 7:38:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/23/2006 7:54:27 AM EDT by firstshot]
I just called Bushmaster customer service yesterday to get these very questions answered. I was told that the "hybrid SAAMI Spec. chamber" is 223 SAAMI spec EXCEPT it is made with a longer "leade" (spelling?) so it can handle the longer heavy bullets.

I also asked about the weight. He said that where the Varminter weight is aprox 8.75 Lbs, the Preditor will be just a hair over 8 Lbs.

I also had a question about the barrel used on the Preditor Vs. the Varminter. Whereas the Bushmaster website said that the Varminter barrel was 'machined to same specifications as our DCM Competition Barrel with tolerances twice as tight as regular barrels", it said that the Preditor was a "20 inch barreled version of our Varminter" but went on to say it had the "hybrid SAAMI Spec. chamber" mentioned above. Bushmaster said that the Preditor barrel has the exact same barrel as the Varminter except it is a 20" version with a 1 in 8 twist.

I got to hold one of the BM Varminters at the local gun shop yesterday afternoon and really liked it. It was a little long, but still balanced well and I didn't think it was too heavy. I really liked the BM competition trigger. It felt like is was set perfectly with a 3 1/2 Lb take-up & 1 Lb let-off.

I'm in the market for a preditor calling / carry rifle and after handling the Varminter, I think the BM Preditor @ 8LBs with the 20" barrel is going to fit the bill perfictly.

Has anyone got one of these yet?

firstshot
-----------------------------------
Make your first shot count!

557
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 7:55:03 AM EDT
Hmm... my dad is in for a precision AR15 and he might like this...

Can someone verify if shooting 5.56mm in this "hybrid" chamber is safe?
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 8:06:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MaverickMkii:
Hmm... my dad is in for a precision AR15 and he might like this...

Can someone verify if shooting 5.56mm in this "hybrid" chamber is safe?


5.56 in Wylde is ok.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 8:10:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MaverickMkii:
Can someone verify if shooting 5.56mm in this "hybrid" chamber is safe?



Good question! I called Bushmaster again and was told YES you can shoot 5.56mm in the Predator with no worries about chamber pressures.

firstshot
---------------------------------
Make your first shot count!
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 4:54:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By firstshot:

Originally Posted By MaverickMkii:
Can someone verify if shooting 5.56mm in this "hybrid" chamber is safe?



Good question! I called Bushmaster again and was told YES you can shoot 5.56mm in the Predator with no worries about chamber pressures.

firstshot
---------------------------------
Make your first shot count!



Thanks
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:31:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:52:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GI_Brat:
photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=45182



post whore


hybrid SAAMI Spec. chamber, is another way for gun maker to pander more money, plus it just sounds cool.

jhpsr45 BM said that they wouldnt ship uppers until complete rifle order was filled. are you special like GI_Brat (I mean that in a nice way GI) also what does one expect to pay for said upper....
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 7:01:41 PM EDT
GI_Brat

Obviously that's your new Predator! he
What kind of glass are you going to put on it?

firstshot
---------------------------------
Make your first shot count!
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 7:09:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 7:13:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 6:44:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/24/2006 9:13:37 AM EDT by firstshot]

Originally Posted By GI_Brat:
I love being a post whore when it comes to showing off my new toys. hr


GI_Brat

Ok.....well then.....hinking.gif.....here's your chance!!!

I'd love to see a pic with one of your Varminters and your new Preditor lined up with the butstocks even with each other so I can get a "visual feel" for the difference in overall length 24" vs 20".


Never Mind.......I see it inbetween the other two in your pic. Is that the Varminter on the bottom?


Thanks

firstshot
------------------------------------
Make your first shot count!
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 7:49:01 AM EDT
Very nice rifles, what kinda scope mounts and rings are those?
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 12:55:04 PM EDT
Top Top