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Posted: 1/19/2006 11:50:49 AM EDT
I'm a new guy to the boards,

A friend is looking to sell his Colt AR15 Carbine to me, but we need to agree to a fair price.
It is in great used condition without the box or papers. It is a Pre-ban (94) gov't carbine (he bought new in the early 90's) with the collapsible stock, light weight barrel, and fixed carry handle, it does not have a bayonet lug. All original with one Colt mag. The rifle was never shot much either.

What is a fair price? I don't want to screw him, but I don't want to give him more than fair value either.

Thanks in advance
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 1:07:30 PM EDT
Check a blue book for guns. Off hand I would say no more than $1000.?
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 1:28:59 PM EDT
Preban doesn't mean anything anymore unless you live in an AWB complaint state. Its just another 10+ year old Colt.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 1:34:13 PM EDT
It's probably in the $1000 range, plus or minus a hundred dollars or so.

Check what used ones are going for over on www.gunbroker.com and www.gunsamerica.com. Als0, www.auctionarms.com Be sure to check completed auctions, not just those currently for sale.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 7:28:50 PM EDT
It sounds like a blue label GC as a few came without the bayo-lug. As a collector myself I gotta say theres nothing special about the gun you described and they were not very popular even back in the day. The lack of a bayo-lug hurt the value then and hurts it even more now. I would not pay more than $900.00 for it. Actually I would pass and wait for a green label GC!
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 7:40:53 PM EDT
Opinion on a green label w/ the A2 sights & collapsible stock, never fired, box & cleaning rod?
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 8:05:53 PM EDT
Today I think a N.I.B. green label GC would bring somewhere between $1150.00 to $1400.00 as long as its well advertised and the seller is a little patient. I expect to see these increase in value as time marches on with the possibility of them once again topping the $2000.00 mark.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 9:00:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ChrisM:
Today I think a N.I.B. green label GC would bring somewhere between $1150.00 to $1400.00 as long as its well advertised and the seller is a little patient. I expect to see these increase in value as time marches on with the possibility of them once again topping the $2000.00 mark.





I seen a 1972 version a couple weeks ago and it was priced at $1,400.00 with no box.
It still has the paint mark where Colt staked the castle nut on the stock
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 10:24:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wildfowl:
I'm a new guy to the boards,

A friend is looking to sell his Colt AR15 Carbine to me, but we need to agree to a fair price.
It is in great used condition without the box or papers. It is a Pre-ban (94) gov't carbine (he bought new in the early 90's) with the collapsible stock, light weight barrel, and fixed carry handle, it does not have a bayonet lug. All original with one Colt mag. The rifle was never shot much either.

What is a fair price? I don't want to screw him, but I don't want to give him more than fair value either.

Thanks in advance



Sounds like a Colt Carbine (R6521) instead of a Gov't Carbine (R6520). Is the serial number prefix "CC" or "GC"?

What's the serial number? Leave off the last 2 digits.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 10:49:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/19/2006 10:51:35 PM EDT by criley]

Originally Posted By mm34b:

Originally Posted By wildfowl:
I'm a new guy to the boards,

A friend is looking to sell his Colt AR15 Carbine to me, but we need to agree to a fair price.
It is in great used condition without the box or papers. It is a Pre-ban (94) gov't carbine (he bought new in the early 90's) with the collapsible stock, light weight barrel, and fixed carry handle, it does not have a bayonet lug. All original with one Colt mag. The rifle was never shot much either.

What is a fair price? I don't want to screw him, but I don't want to give him more than fair value either.

Thanks in advance



Sounds like a Colt Carbine (R6521) instead of a Gov't Carbine (R6520). Is the serial number prefix "CC" or "GC"?

What's the serial number? Leave off the last 2 digits.



My Govt Carbine has a bayo lug, while my Colt Carbine does not.

I don't know if later Govt Carbines were made without bayo lugs or not.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 10:51:55 PM EDT

Colt AR-15 A2 Gov't Carbine (R6520)
Mfg. 1988-1994
This model was manufactured in both green and blue label configurations.
1994 MSRP was $880.

Grading

100% - $1,900
90% - $1,500
80% - $1,375
70% - $1,250
60% - $1,050

Add $200 for green label box.

On the R6520, serial numbers GC018500 and below are pre-ban production.

Note the serial number cutoff on this model, as Colt shipped out a lot of unstamped post-ban law enforcement only "LEO" rifles before finally stamping them as a restricted rifle.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 10:54:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mm34b:
Colt AR-15 A2 Gov't Carbine (R6520)
Mfg. 1988-1994
This model was manufactured in both green and blue label configurations.
1994 MSRP was $880.

Grading

100% - $1,900
90% - $1,500
80% - $1,375
70% - $1,250
60% - $1,050

Add $200 for green label box.

On the R6520, serial numbers GC018500 and below are pre-ban production.

Note the serial number cutoff on this model, as Colt shipped out a lot of unstamped post-ban law enforcement only "LEO" rifles before finally stamping them as a restricted rifle.



Any similar info on the "Colt Carbine" roll marked model?
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 10:54:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By criley:

Originally Posted By mm34b:

Originally Posted By wildfowl:
I'm a new guy to the boards,

A friend is looking to sell his Colt AR15 Carbine to me, but we need to agree to a fair price.
It is in great used condition without the box or papers. It is a Pre-ban (94) gov't carbine (he bought new in the early 90's) with the collapsible stock, light weight barrel, and fixed carry handle, it does not have a bayonet lug. All original with one Colt mag. The rifle was never shot much either.

What is a fair price? I don't want to screw him, but I don't want to give him more than fair value either.

Thanks in advance



Sounds like a Colt Carbine (R6521) instead of a Gov't Carbine (R6520). Is the serial number prefix "CC" or "GC"?

What's the serial number? Leave off the last 2 digits.



My Govt Carbine has a bayo lug, while my Colt Carbine does not.

I don't know if later Govt Carbines were made without bayo lugs or not.



Yeah, I'm curious about the missing lug too.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 11:07:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By criley:

Originally Posted By mm34b:
Colt AR-15 A2 Gov't Carbine (R6520)
Mfg. 1988-1994
This model was manufactured in both green and blue label configurations.
1994 MSRP was $880.

Grading

100% - $1,900
90% - $1,500
80% - $1,375
70% - $1,250
60% - $1,050

Add $200 for green label box.

On the R6520, serial numbers GC018500 and below are pre-ban production.

Note the serial number cutoff on this model, as Colt shipped out a lot of unstamped post-ban law enforcement only "LEO" rifles before finally stamping them as a restricted rifle.



Any similar info on the "Colt Carbine" roll marked model?



COLT CARBINE (R6521)
Discontinued in 1988, similar to Gov't Carbine (R6520), except has no bayonet lug.
MSRP in 1988 was $770

Grading

100% - $2,050
90% - $1,600
80% - $1,525
70% - $1,375
60% - $1,200

Link Posted: 1/20/2006 2:27:19 PM EDT
Thanks for the info!

My Colt Carbine is 90% plus, but no box.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:05:13 PM EDT
I worked for a FFL/dealer back during the ban who specialized in Colt AR15s. I personally found and made a deal to purchase 20 N.I.B. Colt carbines from a Colt distibutor. I am almost positive all of the guns we received had bayo-lugs. The boxes they came in were original Colt blue label Govt. carbine boxes. Heck I think a few were even in plain unmarked Colt AR15 boxes! Anyway, while I worked there (which was for about 3 years) I did see several pre-ban era Colt Govt. carbines and Colt carbines that did NOT have bayo-lugs. I also remember that they did not appear to have been altered by the owners. The rumor was such guns were Colts last ditch effort at making them "politically correct" in order to try to prevent them from being banned. I hope this info helps those that own them or want to buy them!


ChrisM
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