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Posted: 12/12/2005 7:36:03 AM EDT
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You sure you want one non-removeable on an M4-gery?
Rmpl 
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Posted: 12/12/2005 7:36:33 AM EDT
[#2]
check the GG&G tactical bipod... abou 140$ IIRC
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Posted: 12/12/2005 7:38:39 AM EDT
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No I want it to be removable, I just dont want the mount to be a seperate piece then the Bipod
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Posted: 12/12/2005 10:47:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/12/2005 11:05:53 AM EDT
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I was planning on doing a review with detailed photos of the GG&G bipod but my camera died. Here are two of it anyway.
The GG&G comes with a built in mount that slides right onto your rail and tightens by a hand nut on the bottom. It is all you need if you have a rail to mount it on.   |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 11:29:24 AM EDT
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Do the legs of the GG&G bipod fold forward or backwards? I have GG&G's modular handguards on my Colt carbine and am looking hard at their bipod. |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 11:29:44 AM EDT
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I personally highly recommend 20 ROUND magazines in a bipod-equipped rifle...
 If one is prone with a bipod, that 30-rd'er is going to be a PITA... Rmpl 
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Posted: 12/12/2005 11:33:24 AM EDT
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They fold forward. |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 11:59:44 AM EDT
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The GG&Gs are worth every penny.
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Posted: 12/12/2005 1:36:18 PM EDT
[#10]
I have a Harris/ARMS mount, I am happy with it.
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Posted: 12/12/2005 3:44:13 PM EDT
[#11]
#1 Time tested and ultra-durable... Rmpl
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Posted: 12/12/2005 3:51:04 PM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 4:59:49 AM EDT
[#13]
do you guys no where I can get the GG&G Bipod? Is it stupid to have a Bipod on a M4A3
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Posted: 12/13/2005 5:14:06 AM EDT
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Putting a bipod on a 4 is like putting a kickstand on a tricycle.
Sure it'll work, but why? An M4 is a CQB gun. A bipod ads weight, is a serious snag risk, etc. I have a Harris on my stock SP1, and I took the Harris overseas and put it on my A2 on static posts, cause I worked nights and it was usually AN/PVS4 scoped. Bipod made it much more comfortable, and prevented me from having to rest the gun on sandbags (ever notice the sandbag most likely to leak is the one closest to your gun?.....Murphy is an ass isnt he!) I just dont see much use for it on a 4. My two cents worth. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 5:18:13 AM EDT
[#15]
GG&G all the way - hands down over the Harris.
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Posted: 12/13/2005 5:19:52 AM EDT
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your end use decides is a bipod is a stupid idea. not some chat room. If all your going to use this rifle for is parrier dogs then get a bipod. You can remove it for other uses.
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Posted: 12/13/2005 6:08:55 AM EDT
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On a 4? Is this some new lingo? Ever hear of overwatch? An M4 type/based rifle is not ust used for just CQB anymore. I would also say that there are pictures out there of special operations troops with bipods on their 14.5 inch and 10.5 inch rifles. They use the bipod as a vertical grip instead of a typical vertical grip. Again they dont seem to have a problem with it.  
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Posted: 12/13/2005 6:18:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2005 6:48:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:51:07 AM EDT
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Are these out yet? |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:13:55 AM EDT
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Assuming of course that he is going to be using his "4" for CQB. I know it's crazy, but some "civilians" don't actually clear rooms on a regular basis. Then why get a "4" you ask? Because they want to. It's really a pretty simple concept once you grasp it. Just my $0.0825 worth. 
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:19:44 AM EDT
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If you ever get your camera working, I would love to see it folded and how it works with a vertical grip when folded. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 3:37:22 PM EDT
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I used 4 the same way I use "16" ,"60 or Pig", "203" etc. etc.
I assume that most folks here know what I am talking about. I fully understand the concept of its your gun, your money, etc. do what you want. I certainly do, and we all like to tailor our stuff to our needs, wants, and desires. I just questioned the practical use of a bipod on an 4. The concept is short and light, whereas a bipod is more at home on a full sized rifle. It has limited usefulness, and the hinderance may outweight the limited benefits. And yes, I understand that a civilian may not engage in traditional CQB, or high risk entries, but if the son-of-a-bitch is in my home at 2:00 a.m. it is damn sure a Close Quarters Battle for me. I will not use a 4 to engage targets at 500 meters, although it may do the job, it is not in its ideal environment, and luck has more to do with success than that particular tool. Just as I would not want to fight a 4 in my bathroom if a pistol is handy. Right tool, right gadgets, right job. And just because a snake eater has something on his gun, that alone does not justify putting it on yours. Unless you have govt money to try out all the widgets and didgets, the endless hours of training to pick and choose what works for you and what doesnt, and the ammo and time to put it all together, it is best to keep things as simple as possible. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 4:21:29 PM EDT
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Not yet, but soon. C4 |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 4:31:51 PM EDT
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I'm very happy with my Harris Swivel Bipod. I would buy another.
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Posted: 12/13/2005 5:50:02 PM EDT
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I have several guns that I like having bipods on. So, I have used a lot of them and while I have my favorites, many of them are very good. While reading on, keep in mind I have not yet used the Tango Down bipod but am VERY interested in trying it out. I have seen them on demo guns, and they look very promising. Until being able to give a real opinion on them;
My favorite is the Harris 6"-9" swivel model with notched legs, a ARMS #32 mount and PodLock. This bipod sits lower than most others, folds forward and out of the way of your hands or vert grips, is short, comes on and off easily with the ARMS #32 (or LaRue) throw lever mount, and you can control the stiffness of the swivel (even moreso with the PodLock). While my favorite, it is heavy and with the mount and podlock, expensive. Pic of the 6"-9" swivel Harris with ARMS #32 mount and podlock:  Someone mentioned the GG&G bipods for $140, I think they are more expensive than that. Closer to $160 or $180. Cheaper than the Harris with the mods listed above, but not by much. My girlfriend and I have a few of these as well. The reason I dont like this one as much as the Harris is simply because you can not control the tension on the swivel. It is quite loose, too loose to use as a stand for the rifle without having something else propping it up. I called and asked GG&G if there was any way I could tighten the swivel and they said no. We just bought one of the non swivel models, and to be honest, I'd rather have the less modular, but solid non swivel model than the (IMO) excessively loose swivel model. Aside from the loose swivel, this is a great bipod. It is very light, fold forward out of the way of your hands and/or vert grips. It sits a little higher than the Harris, but not much and is very workable. It comes with its own rail attachment, and while not as easy on and off as the Harris with a throw lever, its hardly something to complain about. GG&G swivel bipod on a Recce:  I have used but never bought a VersaPod. They are nice in that you can fold them either forward or backward, but they are long, heavy, and there is no control over the swivel. They recently came out with a new model called the raptor that I really liked. It was shorter and lighter, folded either front or back, but still had no control on the tension of the swivel. The feet had three huge talon style claws that really dug in the ground. Seriously, you could use those claws as an impact weapon if need be. Sadly though, I am told VersaPod will not be releasing this version for commmercial sale. They had a very similar model that was the same, except did not have the claws. And it would be a nice option. I have no idea what they cost though. Here's a picture of the Raptor on one of my SPRs:  A couple people have mentioned the Grip-Pod, and while I have not used one, I have seen them on a few occasions and a guy who shoots with us does own one. If you get one, I would suggest getting their polymer version. The all metal version was very heavy. I personally didnt likethem a whole lot but admit up front my dislike is more about prefference than performance (to which I already admit not having any first hand experience). To me the grip is is too long and the bipod makes the rifle sit a little too high. I like my very grips close to the magwell, and like my bipods out towards the gas block. With this two in one version, I cant have it both ways. If I put the grip where I like it, the bipod is further back than I like. When I put the bipod where I like, the grip is too far forward. What I hear and have seen about the new Tango Down bipod seems very cool. It folds back, but about completely out of the way of your railed handguard, or vert grip. It not only swivels, but traverses as well. I think thats very cool. I have not used it at all so dont know if there is any tension on the swivel, or if there isnt, if it needs it or not. I am interested to know how high it will be. It seems like it might be higher than what I have come to like but I'll need to try it to know. It seems very lightweight which is great. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 5:56:59 PM EDT
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Any opinons on the TDI rail mount bipod?
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=125&t=276690 |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 6:20:48 PM EDT
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tagarooo
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Posted: 12/13/2005 6:24:00 PM EDT
[#29]
tag for tango info.
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Posted: 12/13/2005 6:31:36 PM EDT
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First as Wolfox said,"I'm very happy with my Harris Swivel Bipod. I would buy another."
Got one on my Bushie and I really like it. Now for the TDI bipod,I have one on my Bulgarian AK and it's ok. Sometimes the legs extend when I bump it (spring loaded extension) and the rubber pads on the bottom tend to get buggered up quickly with normal wear.I removed mine for a pistol grip but it's a pretty good bipod.Would I pay $99 dollars for one again? Nope. Hope this helps. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 6:38:25 PM EDT
[#31]
added some pics to what i wrote.
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:17:29 PM EDT
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I like and use the Harris 6-9 swivel with a Pod-Loc and #32 throwlever. I think this set up is very hard to beat! The only thing that I would like to see on the Harris are the "Raptor" or "Talon" feet like on the last bipod that New-Arguy posted. I'll be sticking to the Harris until something better comes along. I'm not saying the others are bad but they are not for me.
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Posted: 12/14/2005 4:06:58 AM EDT
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Some of the verapods can go as high as $330.00.
The cheapest I have seen GG&Gs was for somewhere in the $150s. Good luck
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Posted: 12/14/2005 4:21:24 AM EDT
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grippod (heavy but incredibly useful - plus there's a polymer one now that's lighter.)
   subsequent setup has a M900 now:  but that's why we get rails and QD moutns, I can switch back and forth in seconds, and then pop my harris/FirstSamco combo on too...  all three 'modules' constantly move beteen my rifles.... and IMO, If you're going removable harris, go with the First Samco mount, cost me around 25$, light, simple and does teh job well.... |
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Posted: 12/17/2005 9:03:23 AM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 12/17/2005 6:17:32 PM EDT
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Photo: 
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Posted: 12/17/2005 6:56:07 PM EDT
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This is a classic thread. it starts out with a Bipod on an M-4 and turns into a full size SPR -Bipod picture show.
and when someone points out the fact that putting a Bipod on what is suppose to be a lightweight Carbine might be equivelent to a kickstand on a tricycle (which I agree with) he is shown a pic of a SF guy with one so that makes it make more sense.....  But yet anyone with an HBAR is a knucklehead for having a little extra weight on the end of the barrel. if a guy is shooting a range queen off a bench and that's all he does, I suppose a Bipod is no big deal. To each their own. but if it were me, I'll use the harris I have owned for the last 10 years if I wanted to put one on my Carbine. it's a bipod not a rocket. But then again, I use my magazine in the prone to shoot at longer range targets....
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Posted: 12/18/2005 9:08:19 AM EDT
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A bipod on a carbine is not for me either, but on a Recon or SPR I think the TD Bipod is a good choice. I am a long time Harris user/seller, but the TD will be replacing all my Harris Bipods in the future. C4 |
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Posted: 12/18/2005 12:59:23 PM EDT
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I don't clear rooms with mine either. I only have this one and I enjoy shooting it from the bench. Just happened to take the photo after coming back from the range and zeroing the cheap Wal-Mart scope ( have a new one under the tree). The bipod comes off with the twist of a screw when I get home.
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Posted: 12/18/2005 1:33:22 PM EDT
[#40]
Who installed your tube upside down? bi-pod - the 6-9 Harris BRM-S w/pod-loc |
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Posted: 12/18/2005 4:02:00 PM EDT
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On a side note, can you beleive the gripod has already been copied by an Asian airsoft company?
 www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=PROUD-ACC-AEG03BK_srch_1 |
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Posted: 12/18/2005 4:35:29 PM EDT
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Do they have rubber or metal 'feet' ???? |
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Posted: 12/18/2005 5:00:06 PM EDT
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I have seen only one SPR in this thread, and even it only has an 18" barrel, everything esle was 16". But your right, whatever... |
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Posted: 12/18/2005 5:03:34 PM EDT
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Hey, I saw a pretty decent looking one that looked similar to the harris bipod style at wal-mart. It was like 39 bucks I think. I think I'll buy one and try it out. If I don't like it I can just return it.
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Posted: 12/18/2005 5:39:20 PM EDT
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Neither. C4 |
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Posted: 12/18/2005 7:39:33 PM EDT
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Grant,any guesses on an ETA and cost?
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Posted: 12/19/2005 12:54:29 AM EDT
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Do the tango down and GGG both have a swivel feature like the Harris? Can the tightness of the swivel be adjusted like it can on the Harris? Are either of these bipod significantly stronger than the Harris (for use on larger, say .50 cal, rifles)?
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Posted: 12/19/2005 1:43:04 AM EDT
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Tango Down swivels and pans. It uses urethane bushings for control of tightness. Looks pretty stout as well. Folds back along handguards.
GG&G comes in standard, standard w/ swivel, heavy duty, and heavy duty w/swivel. Can't adjust the tightness though. Folds forward of handguards. Don't know about using either on a .50 |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 4:45:27 AM EDT
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Shold see them very soon. Cost should be around $195. C4 |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 2:50:14 PM EDT
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I'm kinda confused as to which unit to get for my carbine. Anyone know the difference between the standard and HD bipods? |
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