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7/15/2005 5:55:23 PM EDT
I want to see pictures of AR15's that have Aimpoints mounted on top of a carry handle. I am building a no frills AR and i want a carry handle but may mount an Aimpoint on top of it for S's and G's. thanks, Steve.
7/15/2005 6:08:39 PM EDT
[#1]
Here is one I had uploaded.  I set it up this way for a training deal, and its not a real aimpoint, but it should give the basic idea.

7/15/2005 6:11:41 PM EDT
[#2]
Stickman, how do you like the Aimpoint way up there? I have never used one like that but like I said I want to use a carry handle on this build and this seems like a good idea.
7/15/2005 6:15:03 PM EDT
[#3]
Here's my soon to be SBR STAG 11.5" (got the tax stamp, haven't had time to cut off the 5.5" FH yet).

Works fine for me mounted on the carry handle.

AIMPOINT ML2, A.R.M.S. M68 Mount, SureFire Nitrolon G2
7/15/2005 6:17:12 PM EDT
[#4]

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Stickman, how do you like the Aimpoint way up there? I have never used one like that but like I said I want to use a carry handle on this build and this seems like a good idea.



You will have to do a low battle sight zero at 25m in order to have a good ballistic arc (ideally center mass again at 300m).  If zeroed for a 300m battle sight, the point of impact will most likely be about 1.5-2 inches low at 25m.  That is an estimation.  
7/15/2005 6:22:02 PM EDT
[#5]
heres a forward mounted Aimpoint w/carry handle equipped rifle (co-witnessed)

7/15/2005 6:22:35 PM EDT
[#6]
Yet another method.

7/15/2005 6:38:04 PM EDT
[#7]
I've definitely seen the forward gooseneck mounted Aimpoints but for some reason I've got a  huge boner to mount my Aimpoint on top of the carry handle. Oh yeah, sorry for the vulgar language.
7/15/2005 6:52:26 PM EDT
[#8]
Here is another on top of the carry handle, this time its an A1....

7/15/2005 7:36:20 PM EDT
[#9]

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Here is another on top of the carry handle, this time its an A1....

www.airforcesecuritypolice.com/invisionboard/uploads/post-3-1116280720.jpg



For some reason the A1 upper with a good optic on it just has great appeal to me.
7/15/2005 8:01:20 PM EDT
[#10]

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Here is another on top of the carry handle, this time its an A1....

www.airforcesecuritypolice.com/invisionboard/uploads/post-3-1116280720.jpg



For some reason the A1 upper with a good optic on it just has great appeal to me.


I definitely agree with you on that one!!
7/15/2005 8:05:14 PM EDT
[#11]

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For some reason the A1 upper with a good optic on it just has great appeal to me.



I'm not really sure what the appeal is, but I feel it as well.  I know it isn't the most practical, but its a good looking weapon IMHO.  I have practical weapons, but this is just plain fun.
7/18/2005 6:15:32 AM EDT
[#12]
anymore pictures out there?
7/18/2005 6:43:57 AM EDT
[#13]
Not a standard carry handle, but what the heck.

7/18/2005 10:20:30 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Here is another on top of the carry handle, this time its an A1....

www.airforcesecuritypolice.com/invisionboard/uploads/post-3-1116280720.jpg



For some reason the A1 upper with a good optic on it just has great appeal to me.



I do not have any pics nor an Aimpoint, but I did mount an EOTech on top of the carrying handle on my DPMS Panther Carbine using the A.R.M.S.® #51 CV A1A2 S.I.R.® System (for the A1/A2 receiver). I do prefer this position because I can utilize my iron sights via a channel below the rail system.

7/18/2005 10:47:40 AM EDT
[#15]
funny mounts combo

7/18/2005 11:06:33 AM EDT
[#16]

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funny mounts combo

img71.exs.cx/img71/5931/sasrkuwait0ln.jpg


Holy cow!!! That setup is so he can still see the dot in his Aimpoint when he is shooting from the hip!!!
7/18/2005 11:14:39 AM EDT
[#17]

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Quoted:
funny mounts combo

img71.exs.cx/img71/5931/sasrkuwait0ln.jpg


Holy cow!!! That setup is so he can still see the dot in his Aimpoint when he is shooting from the hip!!!



mmm...maybe the protec helmet isn't comfortable during aiming so he had to put the aimpoint so high....
7/18/2005 11:40:13 AM EDT
[#18]

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Here is one I had uploaded.  I set it up this way for a training deal, and its not a real aimpoint, but it should give the basic idea.




The Orlite sure looks cool for the photo op, too bad it such a weak mag.
7/18/2005 1:17:24 PM EDT
[#19]
Its all I could find, but it almost makes the point,...........poorly

7/18/2005 5:23:16 PM EDT
[#20]
The further away from the bore axis your optic is, the more problems you will have with vertical parallax and the narrower the usable range of your optic's zero.  newar-guy and others can tell you how easy it is to end up shooting a window sill or doorframe when looking through a high-mounted optic, as you tend to forget that your muzzle is several inches below your sight plane.  Increasing this distance amplifies these problems.

IMO, the primary exception to the "mount your optic as close to the bore axis as possible" rule is if you are using a gas mask.  In that case, a normal cheek weld is impossible, and you're better off moving the optic to where you can see and use it than leaving it low and obscured by the mask.  And, even then, the limitations imposed by such a setup must be well-understood and compensated for in practice.

-Troy
7/18/2005 6:48:19 PM EDT
[#21]

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.......  newar-guy and others can tell you how easy it is to end up shooting a window sill or doorframe when looking through a high-mounted optic, as you tend to forget that your muzzle is several inches below your sight plane.  
-Troy



Or how easy it is to shoot the hood of your truck!
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And that was just with a EOTech mounted directly on a A3 upper!
7/18/2005 6:53:11 PM EDT
[#22]

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The Orlite sure looks cool for the photo op, too bad it such a weak mag.




You aren't kidding.  I've dropped a modified Magpul follower in this one, but I still wouldn't trust it for anything farther than a photo op!  
7/18/2005 6:57:54 PM EDT
[#23]

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funny mounts combo

img71.exs.cx/img71/5931/sasrkuwait0ln.jpg




WTF over.  How would one even get that zero'd??


T zone headshots would be impossible.
7/21/2005 8:08:48 PM EDT
[#24]
anymore ?
7/27/2005 7:05:35 AM EDT
[#25]
anymore pictures?
7/27/2005 8:49:12 AM EDT
[#26]

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funny mounts combo

img71.exs.cx/img71/5931/sasrkuwait0ln.jpg




WTF over.  How would one even get that zero'd??
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Or why did he do it at all?

He has an A3 and suitable mount.
7/27/2005 9:18:40 AM EDT
[#27]
Probably wanted to have his carry handle for a BUIS.
7/27/2005 9:25:05 AM EDT
[#28]

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Here is another on top of the carry handle, this time its an A1....

www.airforcesecuritypolice.com/invisionboard/uploads/post-3-1116280720.jpg



What kind of vest is that?
7/27/2005 10:31:15 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
funny mounts combo

img71.exs.cx/img71/5931/sasrkuwait0ln.jpg



WTF over.  How would one even get that zero'd??

T zone headshots would be impossible.


I've contemplated for a while that someone should make an optic with a prism like a binocular (or SLR camera)... so that the actual sighting objective could remain reasonably close to the bore, yet allow an eyepiece a couple inches higher to allow for helmets/goggles/NBC mask/etc clearance.  </shrug>
7/27/2005 10:49:00 AM EDT
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