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3/23/2005 2:06:08 PM EDT
I just purchased one of the RRA complete uppers from gunbroker and it came without the "front sling swivel".  The add said nothing about not including this piece and also had it in the picture.  

When I inquired about it missing the seller simply said oh no, no one uses those anymore, but if you have to have it I'll ship one to you.  So I asked how would I attach it since they are riveted on.  He said that they aren't riveted, that they get attached via a roll pin.

Do some mfg. use roll pins on these, the only ones I've seen use a rivet?  Is the seller simply trying to blow me off?


Thanks in advance.
3/23/2005 2:41:08 PM EDT
[#1]
U could use a M4 swivel attachment that goes thru the FSB. If you want to, or just call RRA up and they will take care of you.
3/23/2005 2:44:20 PM EDT
[#2]
you got screwed, RRA didnt build that upper.
3/23/2005 2:53:36 PM EDT
[#3]
send it back to RRA... tell them you think you got a raw deal, have them check if it is one of thieis.

I'd be interested to know who you bought it from cause I'm thinking of getting one. If you don't want to post the name send me an IM. I had problems with a dealer once and we can exchange info.

3/23/2005 3:17:30 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
I just purchased one of the RRA complete uppers from gunbroker and it came without the "front sling swivel".  The add said nothing about not including this piece and also had it in the picture.  

When I inquired about it missing the seller simply said oh no, no one uses those anymore, but if you have to have it I'll ship one to you.  So I asked how would I attach it since they are riveted on.  He said that they aren't riveted, that they get attached via a roll pin.

Do some mfg. use roll pins on these, the only ones I've seen use a rivet?  Is the seller simply trying to blow me off?


Thanks in advance.



Do you have a link to the gunbroker ad?
BTW, they should be mounted with roll pins. I have never seen one with rivets.
3/23/2005 3:51:21 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
you got screwed, RRA didnt build that upper.


+1
3/23/2005 3:53:50 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I just purchased one of the RRA complete uppers from gunbroker and it came without the "front sling swivel".  The add said nothing about not including this piece and also had it in the picture.  

When I inquired about it missing the seller simply said oh no, no one uses those anymore, but if you have to have it I'll ship one to you.  So I asked how would I attach it since they are riveted on.  He said that they aren't riveted, that they get attached via a roll pin.

Do some mfg. use roll pins on these, the only ones I've seen use a rivet?  Is the seller simply trying to blow me off?


Thanks in advance.



Do you have a link to the gunbroker ad?
BTW, they should be mounted with roll pins. I have never seen one with rivets.



The std. sling swivels are always mounted with a rivet, that is the correct way it is done.
3/23/2005 4:10:42 PM EDT
[#7]
you bought it off the seller "Jacks-Black-Rifle-Shop" didn't you.
Yeah he builds them himself. The only thing RRA about it is the upper receiver. Everything else he asssembled on it himself.
3/23/2005 4:44:02 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
you got screwed, RRA didnt build that upper.



[sarcasm] Oh come now, somebody get screwed from Gunbroker.com? Never! [/sarcasm]
3/23/2005 4:58:15 PM EDT
[#9]
My new RRA came with two front sling mounts. The fixed one on the lower portion and the removable one (using roll pins) on the side. I removed mine. It was a little cheesy.

http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL875/3165911/6449842/88758406.jpg

3/23/2005 5:14:10 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
you bought it off the seller "Jacks-Black-Rifle-Shop" didn't you.
Yeah he builds them himself. The only thing RRA about it is the upper receiver. Everything else he asssembled on it himself.


I don't even think his receivers are RRA, he sells them for like $79  I bought one from him quite awhile back, the damn anodizing started coming off the edges on the outside and inside very quickly.  
3/24/2005 8:43:40 AM EDT
[#11]
Just to put in my 2 cents worth........my RRA 20" A2 upper came with a sling mount and it is rivited on.
3/24/2005 8:46:17 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
you bought it off the seller "Jacks-Black-Rifle-Shop" didn't you.
Yeah he builds them himself. The only thing RRA about it is the upper receiver. Everything else he asssembled on it himself.




Even that might not be RRA.
3/24/2005 8:52:24 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
you got screwed, RRA didnt build that upper.


That's what I was thinking.
3/25/2005 4:29:36 PM EDT
[#14]
Funny thing is the seller on gunbroker.com listed the item on the 3rd of March and RRA tells me, as of 24th of March that they (RRA) just started putting "T" numbers on their receivers, along with their logo.  See email from RRA Inside Sales Rep below.


Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:31 PM

Dear Bob,
We our currently putting "T" numbers on our uppers, but we only started doing this approx. 2 weeks ago and the upper with our "T" numbers on it will also have our logo etched in the top of the upper receiver.  Take care!
Regards,

Jenny Babin
Inside Sales
Rock River Arms
(309) 792-5780
(309) 792-5780 fax



Anyone else have RRA Receiver with "T" numbers on them?

3/25/2005 4:45:16 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Anyone else have RRA Receiver with "T" numbers on them?




The last batch of uppers I received were marked with numbers and the logo.
3/25/2005 5:26:45 PM EDT
[#16]
The M-4 Upper I got from Del Ton was actually rivted on,   Model 1 kit upper was a roll pin tho
3/25/2005 8:22:01 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
you got screwed, RRA didnt build that upper.



[sarcasm] Oh come now, somebody get screwed from Gunbroker.com? Never! [/sarcasm]



Ahhh, gunbroker horror stories.  Everyone has one, I got one too.  TON80 sold me a rifle that was supposed to be a complete RRA rifle, instead I got a parts gun sent to me half wraped in a bed sheet.  Damn buttstock was even installed canted and it had a full length buffer spring in the carbine buttstock.
3/25/2005 8:29:58 PM EDT
[#18]
$.02

My RRA front swivel was roll-pinned but has since been removed/replaced by a rail mounted slang-thang.

ETA, Ihad my rifle built with a weaver gas block in lieu of the standard FSB if that makes a difference...
3/25/2005 11:14:37 PM EDT
[#19]
That doesnt sound like a RRA rifle to me.

Im really careful what I buy from Gunsamerica or GunBroker.

Back when I decided to get my first AR-15 about 6 years ago (during the ban), I saw a smoking deal from this guy on gunsamerica. 550 dollar mistake. The thing was a pile of junk.

After that I decided to research them, and put them together myself.

Moral of the story. If the deal sounds too good to be true?

Jeff

3/26/2005 2:17:24 AM EDT
[#20]
reason i dont buy from auction sites
3/26/2005 3:17:28 AM EDT
[#21]
There is also a guy on Gunbroker selling what he describing as "Bushmaster" uppers but then goes on to say how they use ER Shaw chrome-moly barrels .  That is the first clue that it is'nt a real Bushmaster upper assembly.  
He is another guy that abuses the term "mil-spec"
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