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2/16/2005 6:28:51 PM EDT
So I am trying to decide between a 14.5 inch carbine and a 16 inch carbine. So what do you guys think is better? Any advice you can give me? What about ballistics? Will there be much of a difference? Thanks a lot. You guys are a ton of help.
2/16/2005 6:38:08 PM EDT
[#1]
BOTH SHOULD BE BANNED!
2/16/2005 6:55:19 PM EDT
[#2]
14.5 look cooler, 16 obviously have better balistics.  If you get a 16 I'd get a midlegth. looks better and supposedly the middy gas system is more reliable. I'd add that to you poll if you like them.
2/16/2005 6:59:53 PM EDT
[#3]
16 inch midlength.
2/16/2005 7:13:06 PM EDT
[#4]
20".........ok, between those choices go full 16, it's going to have to be 16oal so you might was well get the added vel of a longer Bbl
2/16/2005 7:19:00 PM EDT
[#5]
14.5
2/16/2005 8:14:52 PM EDT
[#6]
At real world ranges of 100 yds and most often under 50 the 14.5 will be all you need.
2/16/2005 9:26:54 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
At real world ranges of 100 yds and most often under 50 the 14.5 will be all you need.



+1

h/w, i would get the 16in anyways and have the option to reach out and touch someone just a little bit farther and more effectively
2/16/2005 9:29:04 PM EDT
[#8]
my bedside gun is going from a 16 to a 14 real soon.
2/16/2005 10:01:53 PM EDT
[#9]
If you are going to go below the 16 inch “Minimum”, go all the way with 11½ or shorter!

14½ is just chicken stuffing.
2/16/2005 10:11:10 PM EDT
[#10]
I do not want a perm attached end. Only to be stuck with what on the end of it. Only to save a overall 1" No thanks.
2/16/2005 10:46:39 PM EDT
[#11]
if you want an M4 clone, get the 14.5. 16" M4 profile barrels look retarded IMHO. if you want a 16" get a midlength.
2/17/2005 12:29:31 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
I do not want a perm attached end. Only to be stuck with what on the end of it. Only to save a overall 1" No thanks.



+1


Plus $$ for pinning
2/17/2005 12:35:47 AM EDT
[#13]
I have both a 16" middy and a 14.5 from RustyTX.  My personal rifle is the 16 middy.   I got the 14.5 for the wife to make a LW setup on a Cav lower.   I can live with a perm phantom just fine on it.   Either rifle will be a nice setup, more accessories are available off the shelf for the carbine length system but the middy has the better sight radius if you use irons.  

If both should be banned then the obvious answer is get BOTH!!   It'll piss off libs more if you have 2
2/17/2005 12:51:39 AM EDT
[#14]
Well, the difference in fragmentation threshold between 14.5" and 16" is

M193 55g:  15 yards (90 vs 105)
M855 62g:  25 yards (65 vs 90)

thats assuming a 2700fps frag threshold

source of my info can be found here------>
Frag/Vel Charts

I'd say there's a 99% chance you'll never need that difference (I assume you don't shoot for a living).  But...
2/17/2005 1:23:06 AM EDT
[#15]
Can't put a bayonet on a 16" barrel, if that sort of thing is important to you.
2/17/2005 2:37:02 AM EDT
[#16]
completely depends on what you want.... if you are going for ubber lightweight... and smallness... 14.5 is your bet... but if your looking for a more general purpose rifle.... 16-18" is what you should be looking at...
2/17/2005 4:37:24 AM EDT
[#17]
There are other factors beside velocity and range that determine weather or not a round will reliably fragment.Body mass and density...people come in all shapes and sizes nd what may break apart in one may not in another.Permanent attached dosent matter to me as the phantom is superior to the A2 hider and I dont change muzzle devices.If I have to change a barrel Im buying a barrel only assembly any way as you can still use the delta ring and front sight so that will save you at least half on the extra $30 for permanently attaching a phantom from Bushmaster any way.CMMG now offers 14.7 barrels to permanently attach an A2 hider but thats just to have the closest look possible...phantoms are still better and over all makes the rifle more compact.And those were my needs most compact and best flash supression.If I have to take a shot over 100 yds Ill use my M14 type in .308.
2/17/2005 1:46:09 PM EDT
[#18]
Is 14.5" very accurate at 200-300 yards?
2/17/2005 7:32:03 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Is 14.5" very accurate at 200-300 yards?



Barrel length has no factor in accuracy.
2/17/2005 8:16:20 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
if you want an M4 clone, get the 14.5. 16" M4 profile barrels look retarded IMHO. if you want a 16" get a midlength.



+1...that's why I have each of those.
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