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Posted: 3/12/2004 9:12:10 PM EDT
| I have heard horror stories about teh Ar-10A2's reliability and Armalites reluctancy to fix them, are these urban legends, or is the Ar-10A2 a somewhat unreliable weapon? I am looking for utter reliability (when cleaned properly, etc.) |
| my 1st Armalite 10 had a bad extractor. They said they had some out of spec extractors get by. They shipped me a new extractor,spring,and rubber tensioner. All's well now. The newer Eagle Arms A4 20" I bought last year has been good to go shooting surplus ball and everything else. My Eagle has M4 like feed cuts my older Armalite does'nt. |
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My AR10 has been 100% so far, but I only have a few hundred rounds through it. I think most of the reliability problems have been addressed by Armalite. Also, I've NEVER heard of Armalite being even slightly reluctant to do what ever it takes to make a customer happy. That said, if you want reliability first and foremost, no matter what ammo, even if you have to sacrifice a little accuracy and compatability (lots of AR15 stuff fits AR10's), I think the FAL holds the title among .308 battle rifles. Still, in my experience, the newer AR10's are very reliable, especially ones made in the last couple of years. Good mags are critical though, and costly as hell (for now). |
| I have an AR10 A2 16" infantry model with the chromelined barrel and chamber. It has been utterly reliable for me. I actually use this rifle as a brush gun while hunting in the S.C. swamps, and it gets muddy and dirty and wet. I have never had any failures to feed or eject using factory ammo or my reloads. I Love my AR10! |
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I've owned six AR-10's and currently own two with no problems. Did get some bad mags - 4 I think - but those didn't come from ArmaLite. I've been the AR-10 & AR-180 Mod for about two years now and I've tried to recall how many real (not operator, bad mag, or ammo related) problems I've seen and there can't have been more than ten over the two years. At least three of those problems continued because the owners, for various and assorted reasons, didn't want to send their AR-10's back to ArmaLite for service. 5sub |
| I have two - an AR10(T) and an AR10A4. The AR10 had some growing pains but these have been resolved through extractor spring o-ring and a whole range of maintenance activities. Some say the (T) has a sensitivity to the type of ammo used with Black Hills the top choice. The A4 is happy all day with any mil surplus I have put through it. Both guns also like to run "wet". As far as customer service goes, I am told it is much better now. My bench mark for the AR10 type rifle is Knights SR25. The Armalite is a lot less money. |
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While I have heard of the problems with the AR10s I never had any with mine that were not caused by the nut behind the trigger...and I literally exploded cases in it from too hot loads. I blew the ejector down into the bolt, up and over the ejector retaining pin. A new retaining pin, ejector and spring and I was back in buisness. I have never heard of Eagle Arms or ArmaLite not taking care of their customers. |
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Quoted: Some say the (T) has a sensitivity to the type of ammo used with Black Hills the top choice. The A4 is happy all day with any mil surplus I have put through it. Both guns also like to run "wet". Agreed on both your points. The AR-10(T)'s are match grade rifles and, like all match grade rifles, they are ammunition sensitive. ArmaLite recommends Black Hills, I use Black Hills in my 10(T) and everything is fine. (Well, actually the operator could shoot a little straighter but that's another story !) 5sub |
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My AR10-T is a match rifle, I guess I have been lucky. This thing eats anything I can afford to feed her with no problems at all and is super accurate. I do keep the rifle clean, and I did spent a lot of time breaking in the barrel, that is the only thing that I think could make a difference, the rest of the Long Island crew used to laugh at me for the time I spent breaking in the barrel and cleaning it in 5 degrees weather, now is paying off. The same applies to my SEBR. |
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Quoted: Does AR10 require more meticulous cleaning than AR15s or the same level of cleaning? Probably the 10(T)'s require a little more cleaning as tolerances are a little tighter. All the AR-10's generally like to runa little wetter than most AR-15's. A good many AR-10(T)'s in the Afghan and now Iraq getting a work out. I had an email from an Air Force TSgt in Iraq that ended with an "oh by the way, we're testing 10 AR-10(T)'s here at Bagram." Didn't know the Air Force had any T's anywhere. Guy said the test were going well and they love the guns. 5sub |
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Quoted: I've owned six AR-10's and currently own two with no problems. I've been the AR-10 & AR-180 Mod for about two years now and I've tried to recall how many real (not operator, bad mag, or ammo related) problems I've seen and there can't have been more than ten over the two years.5sub My SEBR carbine, with a genuine ArmaLite 20-round mag and the recommended Black Hills moly-coated ammo, has had four failures to feed properly in the first 40 rounds, four more in the next sixty and yet another three in forty rounds tonight. Growing pains? Break-in period? Please tell me this is going to stop soon because I didn't lay out all that money so I could practice clearance drills. |
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This is what my AR10-T is capable of doing, these are [b]10 shots at 100 yards[/b]. Wave, Balzac72 and a few others were with me last Sunday when I did this with Portugal's surplus military ammo. I don't think I can get a group like that with my Rem 700 PSS. [img]http://members.aol.com/bear3351/10shot.jpg[/img] |
| NICE GROUP! Thanks for all the informed replies, someone had posted that a match trigger (such as the NM Armalite) would not reliably detonate Port primers, is a NM trigger less reliable? Does it not leave deep, clear impacts on primers? Should i steer clear of it for Maximum reliability? |
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My "T" came with the match trigger (I guess) and it never gave me any trouble. I wasn't real fond of Amalites trigger. They say give it a couple hundred rounds to break in but mine didn't seem to be getting any better so I bought a Knight. Love the Knight and still no issues. |
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I have never heard of Eagle Arms or ArmaLite not taking care of their customers. Really? Well here's a first. Was having problems(AR15 short stroking, FTeject). Got it back with a letter stating they fired 20 rounds with no problems. Okay cool. Took it to the range did the same FUCKING thing. WTF?[pissed] As far as I can tell it doesn't like certain mags. I use all USGI, 20 and 30 rounders. I wanted an AR10 real bad. Wanted to buy some stripped lowers. After my AR15, no Armalite/EA products for me. And no I didn't call them back to tell them it was doing the same thing. Should I call them back? Why? So the person I talked to can act like I don't know what I'm talking about/it couldn't be their rifle? I don't think so. Really turned me off as I love my EA15A4 20" w/detachable carrry handle. |
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Quoted: . Really? Well here's a first. Was having problems(AR15 short stroking, FTeject). Got it back with a letter stating they fired 20 rounds with no problems. Okay cool. Took it to the range did the same FUCKING thing. WTF?[pissed] As far as I can tell it doesn't like certain mags. I use all USGI, 20 and 30 rounders. I wanted an AR10 real bad. Wanted to buy some stripped lowers. After my AR15, no Armalite/EA products for me. And no I didn't call them back to tell them it was doing the same thing. Should I call them back? Why? So the person I talked to can act like I don't know what I'm talking about/it couldn't be their rifle? I don't think so. Really turned me off as I love my EA15A4 20" w/detachable carrry handle. OK. What I meant to say was that I have never heard of Eagle Arms or ArmaLite not taking care of their customers unless the fucking idiots didn't want to be taken care of. Yes dope, send them your rifle back and the magazines you're having trouble with. Have a clue as to what might giving you trouble? Even US GI magazines wear out. Sheesh! |
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Quoted: Quoted: WTF?[pissed] As far as I can tell it doesn't like certain mags. I use all USGI, 20 and 30 rounders. Just to be sure, are you saying your AR functions correctly and reliably with some mags ?? 5sub Yes. Incidently all of my mags function perfectly in my preban Oly. |
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Quoted: Quoted: . Really? Well here's a first. Was having problems(AR15 short stroking, FTeject). Got it back with a letter stating they fired 20 rounds with no problems. Okay cool. Took it to the range did the same FUCKING thing. WTF?[pissed] As far as I can tell it doesn't like certain mags. I use all USGI, 20 and 30 rounders. I wanted an AR10 real bad. Wanted to buy some stripped lowers. After my AR15, no Armalite/EA products for me. And no I didn't call them back to tell them it was doing the same thing. Should I call them back? Why? So the person I talked to can act like I don't know what I'm talking about/it couldn't be their rifle? I don't think so. Really turned me off as I love my EA15A4 20" w/detachable carrry handle. OK. What I meant to say was that I have never heard of Eagle Arms or ArmaLite not taking care of their customers unless the fucking idiots didn't want to be taken care of. Yes dope, send them your rifle back and the magazines you're having trouble with. Have a clue as to what might giving you trouble? Even US GI magazines wear out. Sheesh! Hmmmmm...I'm guessing your reading comprehension is not good. Reread my post. Here let me help: So the person I talked to can like I don't know what I'm talking about/it couldn't be their rifle? I don't think so. I hope for your sake you can pull your head out of your ass long enough to read what I have posted, dumbass. Ya know I'm such a nice guy I would be willing to help you one last time. I will ship you my rifle and YOU can see if EA can fix it. That's not to hard for you is it? You don't cave under pressure do you? See I told you I was a nice guy. Dumbass. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: WTF?[pissed] As far as I can tell it doesn't like certain mags. I use all USGI, 20 and 30 rounders. Just to be sure, are you saying your AR functions correctly and reliably with some mags ?? 5sub Yes. Incidently all of my mags function perfectly in my preban Oly. g.man, while most mags will work and work well in ArmaLite and Eagle, some will not. I have an AR-180B that will probably work with 90% of my mags but there are some that it detests. I think there are a couple of factors at work. ArmaLite chooses to build pretty accurate rifles across their product line and, to do so, the tolerances are a little tighter. Similar tolerance thing with GI mags. There are tolerances and some GI mags will be manufactured at the tolerance limit. When you put the two factors together, some mags won't work well. HOWEVER, most should work. 5sub |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: WTF?[pissed] As far as I can tell it doesn't like certain mags. I use all USGI, 20 and 30 rounders. Just to be sure, are you saying your AR functions correctly and reliably with some mags ?? 5sub Yes. Incidently all of my mags function perfectly in my preban Oly. g.man, while most mags will work and work well in ArmaLite and Eagle, some will not. I have an AR-180B that will probably work with 90% of my mags but there are some that it detests. I think there are a couple of factors at work. ArmaLite chooses to build pretty accurate rifles across their product line and, to do so, the tolerances are a little tighter. Similar tolerance thing with GI mags. There are tolerances and some GI mags will be manufactured at the tolerance limit. When you put the two factors together, some mags won't work well. HOWEVER, most should work. 5sub IMO it's funny that a 15y/o rifle will out perform a new rifle. I can't say I would bet my life on an EA. Very disappointing. I've only put about 300 rds threw the EA. I'm hoping another 1000 will "loosen" it up. I think my next purchase will be Bushy(maybe m17s) or RRA. As I said I'm very disappointed. Sorry for the rant. |
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Quoted: I have never heard of Eagle Arms or ArmaLite not taking care of their customers. Really? Well here's a first.... [red]And no I didn't call them back to tell them it was doing the same thing. Should I call them back? Why?...[/red] What part about the above sentence am I missing? Um, jeez? Perhaps until you have exhausted all their (the manufacturer) attempts to fix it and/or give you your money back, you shouldn't bitch. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I have never heard of Eagle Arms or ArmaLite not taking care of their customers. Really? Well here's a first.... [red]And no I didn't call them back to tell them it was doing the same thing. Should I call them back? Why?...[/red] What part about the above sentence am I missing? Um, jeez? Perhaps until you have exhausted all their (the manufacturer) attempts to fix it and/or give you your money back, you shouldn't bitch. I'm through wasting band width on this one. 5sub |
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