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Posted: 2/6/2004 3:39:42 PM EDT
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I have an older UK AR15 built by Bremmer Arms and latterly Parker-Hale in Birmingham England. AR15's in centrefire calibres must be manually operated here (no gas tube) semi auto rifles are only legal in .22LR. The Bremmer SAR-15 was built as a dedicated .22LR with the correct twist rate barrel and is very accurate and well made compared to the cheaper versions, obviously you could add a .223 upper as long as its man-op but I cant really see the point I'd rather have a good bolt gun. The upper is based on the Leitner-Wise or M261 system, we have no capacity limitation so if anyone knows where I can buy 20 or 30 round inserts please get in touch. I have since this pic was taken fitted a period Aimpoint, Harris bipod, polished the internals to reliably feed subsonics and fitted a SAK moderator to the 1/2" UNEF flash hider thread. Moderators here are not a big deal just an extra slot on your firearms licence so effectively just like adding another gun, most people have moderators in .22LR and full bore for hunting the Police have no problem with them. The heavy gritty trigger is the biggest let down hence I am interested in the Jard trigger - would this be compatible with a dedicated .22LR gun? Would it be easy to install at home as good AR15 gunsmiths here are obviously very few and far between! Heres a pic http://photos.fotango.com/p/eba00217181f00000080.jpg Thanks guys Richard |
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Not familiar with the JARD trigger, but for a quick fix you might try the [url=http://www.sargenthome.com/15_Minute_AR_Trigger_Job.htm]15 minute trigger job[/url] edited to add:[url=http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=178927]JARD Trigger Thread[/url] |
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For putting in a new trigger the question you need to ask is are your trigger and hammer pins standard? I believe the pins are .125 inch in diameter but I don't know the spacing off the top of my head. You could try this site, www.biggerhammer.net they have a AR-15/M-16 FAQ area that has a lot of technical information. As for adding a bigger than 10 round insert, that is something you might have to have made up specialy. Good luck, and glad to see someone from the U.K. on the boards! mrf2 |
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Quoted: For putting in a new trigger the question you need to ask is are your trigger and hammer pins standard? I believe the pins are .125 inch in diameter "Standard" AR fire control pins are 0.153" diameter. If your trigger and hammer are generic AR15 parts, you could easily swap in the Jard or another aftrmarket match trigger. If they are a proprietary design, you may have more troubles... |
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Hi Richard, Why don't you drop me an email to [email protected] I think I can help you out with some of this stuff. ps, i'm in London Mark |
| i have heard that "match triggers" JARD included do not reliably work in ceiner .22lr conversions. i'm not sure if the same is true with you type of conversion kit. i think the problem is that they use different(lighter) springs than standard, which make them fail to feed and fire reliable. |
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Quoted: The Bremmer SAR-15 was built as a dedicated .22LR with the correct twist rate barrel and is very accurate and well made compared to the cheaper versions Richard, can you provide contact info for Bremmer Arms? I googled it but didn't come up with anything. I'm seeking a source for AR-15 22lr barrels at a reasonable price. Thanks, Roger WELCOME ABOARD! Look for no smart things to be said by me. See my board name. :-) |
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Quoted: Quoted: The Bremmer SAR-15 was built as a dedicated .22LR with the correct twist rate barrel and is very accurate and well made compared to the cheaper versions Richard, can you provide contact info for Bremmer Arms? I googled it but didn't come up with anything. I'm seeking a source for AR-15 22lr barrels at a reasonable price. Roger WELCOME ABOARD! Look for no smart things to be said by me. See my board name. :-) Roger, Bremmer Arms are no more. They were sterted up here in the UK by a guy called Paul Leitner-Wise ( doesn't have a good name on ARFCOM, do a search for Leitner-Wise Rifle Co, I believe he's set up somewhere in the US now). When Bremmer folded, they were taken over by Parker-Hale. Unfortunately Parker-Hale are no more either. I have 2 Bremmer lowers and they are good parts, I also have one of their M1903A3 rebuilt rifles. These were made from surplus receiver's and Barrels that were part of the lend-lease arrangement during the 2nd world war, between Britain and the US.Essentially, a brand new 60yr old rifle. Leitner-Wise left Britain under a cloud about 4-5 years ago. The remaining Bremmer parts are now with Sabre Defence co. They have about 400 receiver sets left. Mark |
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Mark I have exchanged several emails with your colleague Matt I think? Obviously a very busy man as we could never get to talk on the phone, you were my first port of call when I was looking to buy the Bremmer! I have a fair amount of info re the Bremmer spec which I could email if anyone is interested but still have the following blanks to fill in......... 1- Chamber dimension is it std or Bentz? 2- Barrel spec, twist rate and original manufacturer (from the level of accuracy I assume its a decent dedicated .22LR tube rather than a .22LR chambered .223 tube - mine groups into 1/2" at 25M from a rest with a non magnifying Aimpoint. 3- My lower (serial 000125) appears to have been built up here by Parker-Hale though rather than from old parts, Bremmer Arms is cast into the lower ?? In answer to your question "KnowNothing" I studied most conversions available here and the Bremmer seemed the best put together although I dont think you'll find one in the US, my second choice would have been the V22 upper which is actually made by CZ if you look hard behind the marketing smoke and mirrors, in my experience CZ .22 barrels are first class for the money although this is only available in flat top configuration. The Armi Jaeger guns were and still are junk. Still no firm opinions re whether the Jard will actually work with a .22LR upper though?? Someone must know? Thanks guys Rich |
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Still no firm opinions re whether the Jard will actually work with a .22LR upper though?? Someone must know? I think this is one of those cases where, in theory, you shouldn't have any problems, but the reality is you won't know until you actually try it. |
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Sure silencers are useful, I've got a drawer full for use on a rimfire of centrefire these need to be entered on your firearm certificate. The exact same model silencer with the same thread, materials and construction if bought for use with an air rifle has no controls at all you can walk into any gun shop in the UK and purchase one for between £20-100 ($30-150US) depending on spec. However while we dont have your crazy $200 tax stamp and assault weapon ban (which is still a total mystery to us - is there a big problem there with drive by bayonettings??) the following are subject to total prohibition (known here as section 5) 1- Centrefire pistols and revolvers shorter than 24" 2- Rimfire pistols and revolvers shorter than 24" 3- Semi auto and pump shotguns shorter than 24" 4- Centrefire autoloading or pump rifles 5- Tasers and tear gas 6- Anything offering burst fire or full auto. Ordinary shotguns are subject to a vetting and security condition, auto or pump shotguns greater than 2+1 require a full firearm certificate. Even muzzle loading flintlock pistols and powerful airguns require a firearms cert. I'd swap my laws for yours every time. Rich |
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Hi and welcome I have a dedicated .22lr upper (dpms brand) which I have mated to a bushmaster ar15 lower. It was not reliable with a jewel trigger or a bushmaster stock trigger with lightened springs. I ended up useing a rock river NM (national match)with stanard ar15 springs.This trigger goes about $95 over here.It isn't supper light,only 3.5-4 Lb trigger pull ,but is crisp and smooth.No screws to adjust (or go out of adjustment).This will just drop right in if your gun has a standard ar15 lower and trigger groop. Hope this helps you NHSPORT |
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