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Posted: 2/5/2004 2:16:03 PM EDT
| I heard that you should not buy pre-ban guns because in 2004 the assult weapon ban would sun set, meaning it would have to be repassed by congress. And if it was repassed it would remain law forever but if it did not pass pre-ban style guns could be manufactured again. Is this true and does anyone have any comments? |
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IBTL... ....but more specifically, I want to find out how this will affect California owners. From what I've read, it seems like all my Federal Post-Ban AR's that I currently own (all bought before 01/2000 of course) will be legal to configure as Federal "Pre-Ban" AR's. Is that correct? FWIW - Before the PRK 2000 law went into affect, I called, wrote, emailed EVERYONE that had anything to do with it. They didn't give a flying f*ck. The politicians here are already dead set on making this a socialist state and the only way to fix it is to get rid of them. Of course, that's hard to do with every hardcore gun owner moving the hell out of this state. We need people from the free states to move in here and displace the politicially correct liberal tree-hugging socialist...Until then, for people like me, it's pretty much the same as Custer's last stand.... |
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Quoted: IBTL... ....but more specifically, I want to find out how this will affect California owners. From what I've read, it seems like all my Federal Post-Ban AR's that I currently own (all bought before 01/2000 of course) will be legal to configure as Federal "Pre-Ban" AR's. Is that correct? FWIW - Before the PRK 2000 law went into affect, I called, wrote, emailed EVERYONE that had anything to do with it. They didn't give a flying f*ck. The politicians here are already dead set on making this a socialist state and the only way to fix it is to get rid of them. Of course, that's hard to do with every hardcore gun owner moving the hell out of this state. We need people from the free states to move in here and displace the politicially correct liberal tree-hugging socialist...Until then, for people like me, it's pretty much the same as Custer's last stand.... Thats because they (Kalifornia Legislature) would rather see a woman get raped and killed than be able to defend herself with a licensed handgun. The amount of handgun carry permits issued in Los Angeles, CA, a city with one of the highest violent crime rates in the US, to law abiding citizens is in the single digits per year, it is so difficult to get. Yet they issue carry permits to all their judges and DAs and government officials that want them. Talk about stinking hipocrisy. |
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Quoted: IBTL... [red]....but more specifically, I want to find out how this will affect California owners. From what I've read, it seems like all my Federal Post-Ban AR's that I currently own (all bought before 01/2000 of course) will be legal to configure as Federal "Pre-Ban" AR's. Is that correct?[/red] No, you wont be able to assemble them into no ban configuration. If you live in a state with its own AWB, you're SOL. |
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Besides states passing their own BS, we also have to worry about municipalities. The city I live near, toledo, has an "AWB" that basically mimics the federal law, with no sunset provision. The danger with the politics around here is that they will eventually try to make it county wide, the same with toledo's new smoking ban. With the local AWB, you had to get a serial number list notarized before the date of the ban, so that if you moved into toledo with a colt ar15 that you've owned for 20 years, you're sol. And yes, ppl have already been charged with violations of this, so they are "enforcing" it. Kevin |
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Quoted: Besides states passing their own BS, we also have to worry about municipalities. The city I live near, toledo, has an "AWB" that basically mimics the federal law, with no sunset provision. The danger with the politics around here is that they will eventually try to make it county wide, the same with toledo's new smoking ban. With the local AWB, you had to get a serial number list notarized before the date of the ban, so that if you moved into toledo with a colt ar15 that you've owned for 20 years, you're sol. And yes, ppl have already been charged with violations of this, so they are "enforcing" it. Kevin Dood, you need to help in Ohios efforts for state preemptive firearms laws. It's the only way to go. That way you don't see horseshit like a guy traveling from point A, where it's legal to own whatever, to point B, where it's also legal to own whatever being arrested at point C, in between point A & B, where it illegal to own whatever. If a state has preemptive laws than localities can pass further restriction but they can't enforce 'em. |
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Wipeout-Thanks for the reply. I'm curious as to why I can not change my Post-Bans to pre-bans. I was reading the laws and the 2000 ban specifically says that a rifle is an "AW" if it's semi-auto and has a pistol grip and detachable mag (among other things). My Post-Ban s are ALREADY considered an AW. So once the Federal ban goes away, exactly what is stopping me (legally) from putting say a collapsable stock on the Post-Ban? Is there something I missed? Just to clarify, I'm not trying to put a pistol-grip onto one those Post-2000 "California" guns with no pistol grip. My Post-Ban AR is PRE-2000 California ban so it's in a "regular" Post-Ban configuration (Pistol Grip, no flash hider/threaded barrel, no bayo lug, fixed A2 stock) |
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Quoted: Dood, you need to help in Ohios efforts for state preemptive firearms laws. Unfortunately, this can not happen in Ohio without a change to the Ohio Constitution. During the end of the nineteenth century, Ohio had one of the most corrupt state governments in the country. There was the “Ohio Gang”. They controlled both state and national politics. There were several Ohio presidents including Garfield and McKinley. This Ohio Gang forced its view on the nation and on the state of Ohio. The citizens of Ohio had enough and passed a state constitution that guaranteed home rule to municipalities. The state legislature can not pass laws to usurp the power of the cities. That is why the cities can have motorcycle helmet laws when there is no state law. The cities can enact speed limit laws different than the state. In the same way the city can make stricter gun laws. The only way Ohio can enact a preemptive firearm law is if it were placed on the ballot as a change to the state’s constitution. I hate this but it is our state’s history. Philip |
| He will make sure it stays dead. I annoy him with my talking about what AR I'm gonna get(hopefully) but he encourages my responsible purchasing of guns and safe gun handling. I'm a very lucky pesron with a former army sniper(was 6th in the nation in marksmenship while serving) who is teaching a youth smallbore shooting class. The gun club bought 12 or 14 new Anschutz comp rifles for us to use. It is very safety orianted and boat loads of fun. |
| sorry i guess I read your question wrong. He(as well as I is consevative) does not do much more than vote for the pro-gun candidate. I on the other hand send emails to our reps and senators. Also I am trying to work him over into signing up for the NRA along with a membership to the gun club(if he waits much longer I will sign up myself[to the NRA]). |
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