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Posted: 10/10/2003 12:19:38 PM EDT
First off, thanks for looking

Sorry if this is a stupid question.

I see this term frequently and I think it means any 16" carbine that has an M4 profile barrel. Am I correct?

Also, my Colt says "M4 CARBINE" on the side. Is it still considered an M4gery because it's merely a watered-down civilian version of a "real" military M4?

Thanks in advance for the clarification...
Link Posted: 10/10/2003 12:43:43 PM EDT
I've always understood it as any AR-15 that looks similar to an M4 that is not an M4. I call mine a Mutt4gery because of all the various part vendors used. [:)]
Link Posted: 10/10/2003 12:46:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CJan_NH: First off, thanks for looking [:)] Sorry if this is a stupid question. I see this term frequently and I [i]think[/i] it means any 16" carbine that has an M4 profile barrel. Am I correct?
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Yes
Also, my Colt says "M4 CARBINE" on the side. Is it still considered an M4gery because it's merely a watered-down civilian version of a "real" military M4? Thanks in advance for the clarification...
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Yes, for some, but thats close enough for me. [;)]
Link Posted: 10/10/2003 2:25:02 PM EDT
I call them M4wannabe.....a more appropriate name for it.
Link Posted: 10/10/2003 2:25:07 PM EDT
Used to be easy, either it was Title II Colt M4 or it was not. But now that Colt sells a Title I M4 Carbine like yours, it is hard to argue that is not a valid M4. So I would say if it is stamped "Colt M4" it qualifies, with there being a Title I and Title II version, just like Colt made Title 1 AR15s and Title II AR15s (eventually changing name to M16).
Link Posted: 10/11/2003 7:41:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RenegadeX: Used to be easy, either it was Title II Colt M4 or it was not. But now that Colt sells a Title I M4 Carbine like yours, it is hard to argue that is not a valid M4. So I would say if it is stamped "Colt M4" it qualifies, with there being a Title I and Title II version, just like Colt made Title 1 AR15s and Title II AR15s (eventually changing name to M16).
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That's a good way to look at it. If it was made in the Colt factory, it's an M4. Anything else is an M4gery.
Link Posted: 10/11/2003 7:19:38 PM EDT
Thanks for the clarification guys. Chances are I'll never get my hands on a "real" select-fire M4, so I'll have to settle for what I have [:)] [img]http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/M4_Lower.JPG[/img]
Link Posted: 10/11/2003 7:40:26 PM EDT
Yeah but what about the 500 Bushmaster M4 carbines that were purchased during Desert Storm? They dont say M4 anywhere and they are still called M4s.
Link Posted: 10/11/2003 8:12:47 PM EDT
All this mumbo jumbo about names and whatnot... if it has an M4 profile barrel, its an M4gery. If it is a select fire, military issued gun with an M4 barrel, it is an M4. At least in my book.
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