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Posted: 10/8/2003 1:13:13 PM EDT
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This has been done for a while at a small unit level. I noticed in 2000 while in E. Timor, the Co. First Sergeant had an M4 instead of his M9. I think it's a good thing that they are considering this as a whole now.
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Posted: 10/8/2003 3:44:31 PM EDT
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Do you think that people will now realize that a carbine and a rifle are two different animals?
Probably not. The M1 was good at what it did, but was always compared to a rifle and lost out. The same is true with the M4. Those who fail to learn from the past, are doomed to repeat it. |
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Posted: 10/8/2003 4:11:37 PM EDT
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Yeah but when you talk M1 carbine and M1 rifle they are 2 different weapons 2 different calibers.The M4 gives the same performance as the full size rifle out to 450 yds the only draw back is the bullet out of the M4 will fragment at 100 yds or under wich is still good considering 95% of infantry engagements since statistics from world war 2 show take place at 100 yds and under,commonly.
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Posted: 10/9/2003 7:54:03 AM EDT
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no one in their right mind would want to go to a potential hot spot, or a war zone just carrying a sidearm......sidearms are great when you're in the field for training, ease of carry and it doesn't get in the way when your doing something.
I recall right before the gulf war (91) Lts, and anybody that just had a sidearm, were scrambling to get a M16 in their hands. |
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Posted: 10/9/2003 8:20:49 AM EDT
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yes a carbine/rifle is what you want going into harms way. right now troops are for the most part stcuk with whats on unit mtoe- myself for example am authorized an m9- basic combat load is two 15 round mags- and being in an armor battalion,about 75% of our troops are equipped this way- if we had to slug it out on the ground- we'd be in big trouble
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Posted: 10/9/2003 8:27:52 AM EDT
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Quoted: yes a carbine/rifle is what you want going into harms way. right now troops are for the most part stcuk with whats on unit mtoe- myself for example am authorized an[red] m9- basic combat load is two 15 round mags[/red]- and being in an armor battalion,about [red]75% of our troops are equipped this way[/red]- if we had to slug it out on the ground- we'd be in big trouble [shock] Holy crap! That ain't right.[V] |
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Posted: 10/9/2003 8:31:48 AM EDT
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Good idea, but poor execution...
Instead of putting M4's INSTEAD of M9's, how bout both? A rifle is nice, but when working with both hands lifting and moving equipment, or firing artillery, it is mighty hard to keep a rifle in your hands. A pistol can stay on the hip and always be with the user. Certainly issue the M4 (someone should be shot for not doing it sooner) but keep the pistols too. Least that's how I would want it. |
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Posted: 10/9/2003 9:44:10 AM EDT
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Because pistols are militarily insignificant, most are not trained to use them. If you have a limited amount of time and resources and a choice between pistol and rifle training you are much better served training with the rifle.
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Posted: 10/9/2003 10:03:19 AM EDT
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Not to mention the cost of issuing two weapons instead of one per person.
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Posted: 10/9/2003 12:26:07 PM EDT
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If you remember the "USMC lessons learned" document that has been floating around. The rifle squads actually want more handguns, a lot of homes in Iraq were not built for the size of a average Marine and his equipment. Stairways and doors were too narrow, rooms to small. Even the Army guys with their M4's complaned about this so the Marines with their longer M16's had to feel it worse.
The extra M9's will probably go into store and then be reissued to infantry squads on an as needed basis, like the shotguns are parceled out. So they can be used to clear houses/tunnels/caves and for prisoner handling. |
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