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Posted: 8/1/2003 9:00:08 PM EDT
Which would you prefer?
Link Posted: 8/1/2003 9:27:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/1/2003 9:27:42 PM EDT by 20iner]
The dissipator is ugly. SO I go with midlength. If I wanted the sight radius of a 20 incher, i'd buy a 20 incher. [edited for type]
Link Posted: 8/1/2003 9:30:26 PM EDT
The dissapator is nice for sight radius, but it doesn't uses an M4 gas system, and it can't use the bayonette. Plus, it would make the handgaurd unecessarily long and heavy if you were trying to have the LW rifle. But, I hear you cant' mount a bayonette to a midlegnth upper anyway. I dunno, I am trying to figure this out myself.
Link Posted: 8/1/2003 10:59:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/2/2003 9:55:33 AM EDT by tivoli410]
M-4gery, afterall you couldn't have a dissipator or mid-length with your name? [;)]
Link Posted: 8/2/2003 5:36:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/2/2003 7:31:16 AM EDT by Hawkeye]
Dissi. would be my first choice, but I can also see myself with a mid length one day too.
Link Posted: 8/2/2003 5:40:13 AM EDT
Mid
Link Posted: 8/2/2003 5:54:56 AM EDT
Dissipator here
Link Posted: 8/2/2003 7:24:07 AM EDT
The mid just looks right... then again, no one here cares what their rig looks like!
Link Posted: 8/2/2003 10:35:09 AM EDT
my only (so far) AR is a RRA mid-lenghth flat top, and i love it. [url]http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/detailfs?userid={2394B0ED-2626-4BC0-AD60-2C3B6046F572}&ndx=0&slideshow=0&AlbumId={25690A7F-1720-4B3F-9F16-2E60327BC1E3}&GroupId=&screenheight=864[/url]
Link Posted: 8/2/2003 11:25:34 AM EDT
Dissipator is what I own, longer sight radius plus the shorter, easier to handle length made it a perfect all-around rifle in my book. The extra weight fron the longer handguard is relatively minimal since it is narrower than the typical M4-sized ones as well. It does have an "extra" gas block under the forearm, but that as well is of minimal weight. And unlike 20iner, I think it's one of the best looking AR's around. That's the inherent beauty of these rifles though, there's one for everyone.
Link Posted: 8/2/2003 11:31:48 AM EDT
I'm seriously considering building an Armalite mid-length upper on one of my Mega lowers for my next, next project.
Link Posted: 8/2/2003 11:34:01 AM EDT
Dissy with an M4 Barrel !
Link Posted: 8/2/2003 11:56:03 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/2/2003 2:32:48 PM EDT
Actually, I'd prefer something very different --the AT LTD gas trap design (ala COMPAK-16) on a 16" or 18" polygonal bore, progessive gain twist -- in 6.8mm x 43. Starting now to piece the beast together.
Link Posted: 8/20/2003 7:30:28 PM EDT
On the mid-length Armlight or Rock River and why?
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 5:49:04 AM EDT
[img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid74/p263792d55ee003f2aeb34d8dc16728d4/fb62d0e4.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid75/p38db7af7f67e16311f8258436b93f356/fb570a04.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 7:31:31 AM EDT
Hawkeye, Very nice! Your wood flooring and carpet match perfectly! Oh, and the rifle looks good, too. [;)]
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 7:51:27 AM EDT
Thanks. [:D] Talk to the wife about the flooring/carpet.
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 7:55:27 AM EDT
Hawk, that rifle is a beauty . I do how ever prefer the mid since it has a more reliable gas system then the dissy whichis still using the M4 gas system with a longer sight radius. with the Mid, you get a smoother gas flow and also you increased the sight radius somewhat, the mid length URX is my next project, or is it the 6.8 SPR?? I am confused.
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 8:15:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SMGLee: Hawk, that rifle is a beauty . I do how ever prefer the mid since it has a more reliable gas system then the dissy whichis still using the M4 gas system with a longer sight radius. with the Mid, you get a smoother gas flow and also you increased the sight radius somewhat, the mid length URX is my next project, or is it the 6.8 SPR?? I am confused.
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Thanks. I am thinking of going to a PRI fat boy just to experiment with. I too have been contemplating a Mid-length setup myself, especially with the new mid length SIR. As well as an SPR. Although, someone keeps teasing me, and telling me to not spend any more money for a few more months.....I hate suspense and waiting.. [banghead]
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 9:33:29 AM EDT
dissy - much more easy to shoot accurately using iron sights
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 12:56:15 PM EDT
To those of you that say the Dissy is unreliable, you do understand that there's a second "bastard" sight tower/gas block under the handguards in the standard sight location of all the other carbines right? No flame intended, but alot of folks have never seen the handguards off the Dissy and therefore think that the gas is being routed from the sight post that you see. [img]http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/barrel-assemblies/Images/abbl-16da.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 1:15:17 PM EDT
and if the length of the gas tube is an issue, just get a carbine length pigtail (makes the length of tubing equivalent to a standard gas tube). Problem solved and you still have the full sight plane to boot. Dissy all the way.
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 1:32:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mach6: Actually, I'd prefer something very different --the AT LTD gas trap design (ala COMPAK-16) on a 16" or 18" polygonal bore, progessive gain twist -- in 6.8mm x 43. Starting now to piece the beast together.
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Where were you able to find a source for gain twist polygonal barrels? I have been looking for some time now! I prefer a mix of both, a dissy type setup with a mid-length gas system, the one on the top in this pic is such a critter. [img]www.gunzilla.com/images/dualing_uppers.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 2:57:12 PM EDT
I put together a post-ban M4 Dissy with an A1 upper and furniture. Nice and light.
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 3:32:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 3:44:07 PM EDT
Another option is to have a 20" cut to 16" and have the gas port opened up.
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 3:52:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Garryowen:
Originally Posted By norman74: To those of you that say the Dissy is unreliable, you do understand that there's a second "bastard" sight tower/gas block under the handguards in the standard sight location of all the other carbines right? No flame intended, but alot of folks have never seen the handguards off the Dissy and therefore think that the gas is being routed from the sight post that you see. [url]http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/barrel-assemblies/Images/abbl-16da.jpg[/url]
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Earlier dissipator style guns had a full length 20" gas system that caused reliabilty problems for not eough back pressure to make the action cycle....I think this is where the root of the confusion lies.
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I agree. Isn't this how Olympic still makes theirs? I think they call it the Eliminator.
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 5:46:07 PM EDT
Yep, the dissy is just as reliable as a 16" carbine....heck they have the same gas system...just low profile and under a standard handguard.
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 6:03:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 6:38:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 9:14:56 PM EDT
Troy, I'm curious, how does this rifle feel versus a regular 16" carbine? I understand opening up the gas port to make it cycle more reliably, but are there any drawbacks to this, like more wear on bolt/carrier/upper? Weight is one of the drawbacks to the BM method, so yours is an interesting option.
Link Posted: 8/21/2003 11:16:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2003 12:18:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rightwingnut: But, I hear you cant' mount a bayonette to a midlegnth upper anyway.
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www.prebanarms.com sells a bayonet which will work.
Link Posted: 8/22/2003 12:57:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By billparadise:
Originally Posted By rightwingnut: But, I hear you cant' mount a bayonette to a midlegnth upper anyway.
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www.prebanarms.com sells a bayonet which will work.
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For some funny reason the ability to mount a bayonet on a weapon has never played the least bit into my consideration of whether I should purchase it.
Link Posted: 8/22/2003 1:07:07 AM EDT
I know. A bayonet has never crossed my mind either. Is it just because it is a banned feature that so many people are on this bayonet kickor is it nostalgia for boot camp/basic training? I'd rather have the blade in my hand than to have to use my rifle as a pole arm as a rifle is a poor substitute for a real pole arm.
Link Posted: 8/22/2003 6:39:22 AM EDT
I just wish that someone would make a chrome lined lightweight or government weight midlength. Armalite doesn't show a midlength barrel on their site when you look in the parts catalog, unless I'm just missing it.
Link Posted: 8/22/2003 7:03:45 AM EDT
I noticed also that the RRA & Armalite midlengths are both postban configured. Anyone have a preban version, and how did you get it?
Link Posted: 8/22/2003 7:19:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By kicker9898: I just wish that someone would make a chrome lined lightweight or government weight midlength. Armalite doesn't show a midlength barrel on their site when you look in the parts catalog, unless I'm just missing it.
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I thik when people talk about midlength, at least for the purposes of this thread, they are talking about handguards & sight radius, but all with a 16" barrel. Wilson Combat makes 18" barrels (if memory serves me correctly), if that's what you're looking for.
Link Posted: 8/22/2003 9:41:47 AM EDT
Actually, let me clarify...I mean midlength hg's and gas system too. But the only barrels I see in Armalites parts section are a heavy barrel car length. They have the uppers listed under their upper section. Also...the only preban midlength carbine barrels I see are on their law enforcement guns...now I haven't called them so you might be able to get these barrel only, but they are still HBAR's unfortunately. BTW, I like the dissy's too!
Link Posted: 8/22/2003 9:57:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By kicker9898: Actually, let me clarify...I mean midlength hg's and gas system too. But the only barrels I see in Armalites parts section are a heavy barrel car length. They have the uppers listed under their upper section. Also...the only preban midlength carbine barrels I see are on their law enforcement guns...now I haven't called them so you might be able to get these barrel only, but they are still HBAR's unfortunately. BTW, I like the dissy's too!
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Hmm, I had no idea that was the ccase. I don't follow Armalite too closely. I tried to get one of their uppers several years ago but the wait was too long so I bought a Bushy. You know, you could always buy the Armalite & have Kurt turn the barrel down for ya.
Link Posted: 8/22/2003 10:07:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2003 10:08:47 AM EDT by cnatra]
RRA might offer a mid-length in pre-ban configuration [url]www.rockriverarms.com[/url]
Link Posted: 8/22/2003 2:17:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Troy: It's great. While it is fairly light, the weight it does have is at the front of the barrel, which helps it balance and helps keep the muzzle on target. Otherwise, it works great, and has the benefit of NOT having the carbine gas system, so it cycles nice and gentle like a 20" rifle. I'm very happy with it. -Troy
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Well you can always put a pigtail gas tube in the carbine. It'll have the same length as a standard length gas tube. You can have your cake and eat it to.
Link Posted: 8/22/2003 5:44:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2003 6:42:31 PM EDT
So one could open up the gas port as well as turn down the barrel on a dissy setup. As for the gas block under the guard, it's so light as to almost be non-existent. I personally think that mids and dissy CAN be equal but the main question is how much real estate one wants on the handguard.
Link Posted: 8/25/2003 7:06:41 AM EDT
Fluted barrel A3 Dissapator with BMAS 4 rail free floating full length handguard, and three rail front fold down sight. Straight from Bushmaster. VERY happy with it.
Link Posted: 9/3/2003 2:35:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/3/2003 2:40:28 PM EDT
I prefer the dissy. As long as I have to have 16" of barrel I might as well use that real-estate for sight radius, which benefits my accuracy.
Link Posted: 9/3/2003 8:14:39 PM EDT
M4 profile dissy for me. [img]http://www.hunt101.com/img/056812.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 9/3/2003 10:23:51 PM EDT
Dissipator is what I own, longer sight radius plus the shorter, easier to handle length made it a perfect all-around rifle in my book.
Link Posted: 9/4/2003 7:30:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2003 7:30:38 AM EDT by _DR]
I love my Eliminator (Oly version of Dissy), the extra weight in a carbine length makes it handle a little nicer in my book, when shooting stability is a factor. Feels more solid. Also, concerning the bayonet issue, if the AWB sunsets, simply put a sight base with lug, and thread the barrel, then add a 5 1/4 flash hider on it. You lose the carbine length, but if that was very important to you, you could do it. I don't intend to put a bayo on my eliminator, just a regular A2 flash hider, if the AWB expires.
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