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Posted: 6/18/2003 5:28:48 PM EDT
i went to the the gun show last weekend and bought me a postban break. the company i got it from is sog arms. he is from so cal. keep in mind that this is cali and that is where i got the comp. he had them on his rifles he was selling so i took his word that they were legal. he did say if i had any problems to contact him i dont know if that will help me when the atf are looking at my gun i just would like to know where do i go to find out if its ok to put on my postban ar-15 any advice would help thanks
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 5:31:39 PM EDT
if its just a muzzle break, then its fine
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 5:38:34 PM EDT
If you don't have a copy of the ATF approval letter for that particular muzzle break, you're on your own. I emailed SOG asking them if I could have a copy of their letter and they gave me this lame response: We do not supply a letter from the ATF, but it is legal. Thanks, Tina Sog Armory The ATF ruled that anything that even _partially_ performs the function of a flash supressor is a flash supressor. The SOG break looks just like an A2 supressor only with the end capped off. There is a good chance your typical ATF agent would try and bust you for having it, and could easily prove that it is a partial flash hider (heck it's even advertised on their site as a "post-ban legal flash hider"). Do you think then SOG will provide their legal council to defend you? YEAH RIGHT! The only defense you've got is an approval letter from the ATF saying you can use that break on a post-ban AR. I would strongly recommend _NOT_ using SOG's break and getting one that is accompanied by such a letter. There are plenty out there to choose from. If you're going to use SOG's, you may as well put a real flash hider on there as you'll probably end up in the same boat if you get caught with either one. Here's a copy of that ATF letter about flash supressors: DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARMS WASHINGTON, DC 20226 MAR 25 1999 903050:CHB 3311 Dear Mr. Bardwell: This refers to your letter of January 13, 1999, in which you ask about flash suppressors. As you are aware, the term flash suppressor appears in the definition of a semiautomatic assault weapon in section 921(a)(30) of Title 18, United States Code. The term flash suppressor is not specifically defined in the statute. A flash suppressor is a device which diminishes the visible flash which occurs at the muzzle of a firearm as the bullet leaves the barrel. While certain devices are exclusively designed as flash suppressors, many other muzzle attachments are designed to perform multiple functions such as a combination flash suppressor and grenade launcher, or a combination flash suppressor and muzzle break. Any such combination devices which function as a flash suppressor would qualify as a flash suppressor for purposes of section 921(a)(30)(B)(iv). A firearm silencer or muffler would also function as an effective flash suppressor; therefore, a semiautomatic rifle, such as an AR- 15, having a silencer or muffler and a pistol grip would qualify as a semiautomatic assault weapon as that term is defined in section 921(a)(30)(B). We trust that the foregoing has been responsive to your inquiry. If you have further questions concerning this matter, please contact us. Sincerely yours, Edward M. Owen, Jr. Chief, Firearms Technology Branch
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 5:39:14 PM EDT
If you don't have a copy of the ATF approval letter for that particular muzzle break, you're on your own. I emailed SOG asking them if I could have a copy of their letter and they gave me this lame response: We do not supply a letter from the ATF, but it is legal. Thanks, Tina Sog Armory The ATF ruled that anything that even _partially_ performs the function of a flash supressor is a flash supressor. The SOG break looks just like an A2 supressor only with the end capped off. There is a good chance your typical ATF agent would try and bust you for having it, and could easily prove that it is a partial flash hider (heck it's even advertised on their site as a "post-ban legal flash hider"). Do you think then SOG will provide their legal council to defend you? YEAH RIGHT! The only defense you've got is an approval letter from the ATF saying you can use that break on a post-ban AR. I would strongly recommend _NOT_ using SOG's break and getting one that is accompanied by such a letter. There are plenty out there to choose from. If you're going to use SOG's, you may as well put a real flash hider on there as you'll probably end up in the same boat if you get caught with either one. Here's a copy of that ATF letter about flash supressors: DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARMS WASHINGTON, DC 20226 MAR 25 1999 903050:CHB 3311 Dear Mr. Bardwell: This refers to your letter of January 13, 1999, in which you ask about flash suppressors. As you are aware, the term flash suppressor appears in the definition of a semiautomatic assault weapon in section 921(a)(30) of Title 18, United States Code. The term flash suppressor is not specifically defined in the statute. A flash suppressor is a device which diminishes the visible flash which occurs at the muzzle of a firearm as the bullet leaves the barrel. While certain devices are exclusively designed as flash suppressors, many other muzzle attachments are designed to perform multiple functions such as a combination flash suppressor and grenade launcher, or a combination flash suppressor and muzzle break. Any such combination devices which function as a flash suppressor would qualify as a flash suppressor for purposes of section 921(a)(30)(B)(iv). A firearm silencer or muffler would also function as an effective flash suppressor; therefore, a semiautomatic rifle, such as an AR- 15, having a silencer or muffler and a pistol grip would qualify as a semiautomatic assault weapon as that term is defined in section 921(a)(30)(B). We trust that the foregoing has been responsive to your inquiry. If you have further questions concerning this matter, please contact us. Sincerely yours, Edward M. Owen, Jr. Chief, Firearms Technology Branch
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 6:35:56 PM EDT
its not from sog armory its from sog arms hopefully i can get a letter from them. if not how do i go to and see if its postban legal
Link Posted: 6/19/2003 3:50:56 AM EDT
SOG Arms, I thought, only dealt primrily with clothing and accessories (like slings and panties). Are you sure it's not SOG Armory?
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