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Posted: 6/4/2003 4:15:02 PM EDT
I guess Colt's idea of military defense is using a politically correct 10-round mag =). If I were that soldier I'd be like, "Aw, HELL No" XX(

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Link Posted: 6/4/2003 8:13:22 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/4/2003 8:17:31 PM EDT
Looks like a 20 round magazine to me.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 3:58:47 AM EDT
Could be I suppose. My Bushmaster 10 looks to be the same size as that one. Either way wtf is he doing out there with a 10 or 20 round clip...posing for the picture is what he's doing, because if he were killing people he'd have a 30 or 40 at least.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 4:05:36 AM EDT
That's a magazine or mag. Clips hold ammo to be stripped from, into a magazine. It is a 20 round mag. Your 10 round is probably a 20 round box with a block to prevent it from holding more than 10. In the old days that's all we GIs had (20 rounders).
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 4:07:55 AM EDT
Hell you've got to be one bada$$ soldier to go out with a 20 rounder. With full auto selected that would last you all of 3 seconds. I'm surprised they didn't give you a drum.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 4:50:56 AM EDT
Probably closer to 2 seconds if you just held the trigger back, as I recall. Takes longer to change a mag than it does to empty it. [Barny Pheif]...and oh ya, sure, I was one bad ass hombre. You wouldn't want to mess with me. Uhn, uhn. No way. Certain death or grievous bodly harm for sure. Yep, that's me.[/Barny Pheif][:D]
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 7:33:52 AM EDT
the reason for this post is????????
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 8:38:30 AM EDT
uh... isn't that a thirty-rounder in the other picture? Dirk
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 8:47:12 AM EDT
I actually prefer 20's to 30's. I get fewer malfunctions with 20's, waste less ammo, and it's much easier for me to shoot from prone.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 9:10:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BigD: I actually prefer 20's to 30's. I get fewer malfunctions with 20's.........and it's much easier for me to shoot from prone.
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Agreed.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 12:01:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By BigD: I actually prefer 20's to 30's. I get fewer malfunctions with 20's.........and it's much easier for me to shoot from prone.
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Agreed.
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Thirded
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 12:10:06 PM EDT
I heard that the main reason the military went from 20 to 30 round mags was that soldiers in the field during Vietnam were complaining the AK-47 carried 50% more ammo than their M16's. Anyone know if there is any truth to that, or is it just urban legend?
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 2:12:14 PM EDT
Yes, it's true. 30's gave the NVA an edge, they could shoot at you while you were reloading. Chuck had to reload less often, leaving our troops more vulnerable during close-in fighting. On the other hand, 20's really are easier to handle when prone, and if you aren't prone in a firefight, you will be.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 2:36:50 PM EDT
I'd think a 120-Round C-Mag would be just as maneuverable prone, no?
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 5:38:10 PM EDT
Actually C mags are 100 rounds and they are nice when prone. The C mag makes alot of noise rattling around when carrying tho. My C mag is fun for showing off but I dont know if I'd carry it in a SHTF scenario. The 20's are far sturdier than the 30's, less noisy, easier to shoot prone, I have way more 30 rounders but buy up 20s whenever I find em cheap enough.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 5:49:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Da_Bunny: Yes, it's true. 30's gave the NVA an edge, they could shoot at you while you were reloading. Chuck had to reload less often, leaving our troops more vulnerable during close-in fighting. On the other hand, 20's really are easier to handle when prone, and if you aren't prone in a firefight, you will be.
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Roger on that[:D]. And the 20's, at least back in the '60s, had those nice metal followers that never got cockeyed and hung up on you.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 5:59:59 PM EDT
If I recall the M-16 had a higher cyclic rate than the AK-47 way back then (600 rpm vs 450 rpm). Even if they had 30 round mags, the 16 would still empty it faster. This was one of the reasons, as GSGT T Highway stated, the AK-47 "has a distinctive sound when fired at you".
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 8:45:12 PM EDT
Todays soldiers aren't trained to spray and pray. you are almost always on semi. a lot of guys like the 20's because of the reliability.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 9:11:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Jakezor:
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By BigD: I actually prefer 20's to 30's. I get fewer malfunctions with 20's.........and it's much easier for me to shoot from prone.
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Agreed.
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Thirded
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I'm with Pete, Repete, and ditto
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 6:32:42 AM EDT
I used the 20 rounders to qualify with and when I was on my unit rifle shooting team... but for combat I used the 30 rounders. Alex
Link Posted: 6/6/2003 7:34:06 AM EDT
Another point to think about is how much ammo your typical NVA/VC carried how many loaded AK mags if so equipped? Probably one in gun and 3-4 extras? Any vets want to share their knowledge/experience. Now how many of thoose 20rd M16 mags did our guys carry? Alot more then the enemy I'm sure. 20s are still around in the service but that will depend on the unit. Combat arms are rightly equiped with enough 30s. Support units will have more 20s and less 30s. I've got about 40 ea 30rds in my gear and wall locker to about 120 ea 20rd in my office. 10 ea 15 rd for my M9, and only one M14 mag (very short) but not shooting a M21 anymore. De Oppresso Liber
Link Posted: 6/7/2003 4:21:13 AM EDT
Hey TAC40, you stole my bird!!!!!!! Match223
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