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Posted: 5/11/2003 5:49:30 PM EDT
.223 SNIPER RIFLES!!, I can only hope that if a sniper ever squeezes off on me that he's shooting a .223.
The market is flooded with these things whats the thinking behind this?
I'm especially fond of the scoped flattops with the great veiw of the front sight.
Are all these experts that unaware of the abilities of .223 caliber
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 5:52:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sckoyrsht: .223 SNIPER RIFLES!!, I can only hope that if a sniper ever squeezes off on me that he's shooting a .223. The market is flooded with these things whats the thinking behind this? [red]I'm especially fond of the scoped flattops with the great veiw of the front sight.[/red][rolleyes] Are all these experts that unaware of the abilities of .223 caliber
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what a [:K]
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 5:57:44 PM EDT
_______________________________________________ .223 SNIPER RIFLES!!, I can only hope that if a sniper ever squeezes off on me that he's shooting a .223. The market is flooded with these things whats the thinking behind this? I'm especially fond of the scoped flattops with the great veiw of the front sight. Are all these experts that unaware of the abilities of .223 caliber ________________________________________________ The village called. They want their idiot back.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:02:48 PM EDT
you better call the pentagon and tell them that using the .223 is wrong. they have it all wrong !!! [moon]
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:06:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/11/2003 6:08:43 PM EDT by sckoyrsht]
Originally Posted By C-4: _______________________________________________ .223 SNIPER RIFLES!!, I can only hope that if a sniper ever squeezes off on me that he's shooting a .223. The market is flooded with these things whats the thinking behind this? I'm especially fond of the scoped flattops with the great veiw of the front sight. Are all these experts that unaware of the abilities of .223 caliber The village called. They want their idiot back.
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He's on a mission with his .223 sniper rifle. His spotter has a Tasco 7x monocular
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:07:40 PM EDT
You may also want to ask the victims of the DC area "sniper" how "effective" the .223/5.56 is for sniping..... You stupid [:K]
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:09:09 PM EDT
I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but:
Originally Posted By sckoyrsht: I can only hope that if a sniper ever squeezes off on me that he's shooting a .223.
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I hope that too, if it's out of a 6.5" bbl. If it's a 20", you're in a whole different ballpark of wounding potential (fragmentation).
I'm especially fond of the scoped flattops with the great veiw of the front sight.
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Have you ever looked through a 4x (or greater) scope on such a configuration? The front sight is so far out of the focal plane that you can't even see it. No need for a fancy $170 flip up front sight.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:10:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SHIVAN458: You may also want to ask the victims of the DC area "sniper" how "effective" the .223/5.56 is for sniping..... You stupid [:K]
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Exactly there are some you can ask
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:20:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By walttx: you better call the pentagon and tell them that using the .223 is wrong. they have it all wrong !!! [moon]
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Are you telling me there are issued .223 sniper rifles
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:20:52 PM EDT
Regardless of caliber. Shot placement is everythting. The .223/5.56 caliber round can be fairly easy to place where you want it. So since you prefer to be "sniped" with a .223, Where do you want it ? [sniper]
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:25:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fizassist: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but:
Originally Posted By sckoyrsht: I can only hope that if a sniper ever squeezes off on me that he's shooting a .223.
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I hope that too, if it's out of a 6.5" bbl. If it's a 20", you're in a whole different ballpark of wounding potential (fragmentation).
I'm especially fond of the scoped flattops with the great veiw of the front sight.
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Have you ever looked through a 4x (or greater) scope on such a configuration? The front sight is so far out of the focal plane that you can't even see it. No need for a fancy $170 flip up front sight.
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400 yds. No fragmentation! Sorry
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:26:13 PM EDT
I was just thinking about starting a new thread with the intent to do nothing but make other board members mad. Now, you beat me to it...
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:27:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sckoyrsht:
Originally Posted By SHIVAN458: You may also want to ask the victims of the DC area "sniper" how "effective" the .223/5.56 is for sniping..... You stupid [:K]
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Exactly there are some you can ask
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You dumb [:K], the kid couldn't shoot worth a shit.....he hit a 400lb guy in the stomach....he also hit the kid in the shoulder. Every body else he hit died......... You're an idiot and you know it.... Try shooting yourself in the head with a .223 and then tell us how it is.....ummmmKkkkkk? Thanks.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:28:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BTK9mm: Regardless of caliber. Shot placement is everythting. The .223/5.56 caliber round can be fairly easy to place where you want it. So since you prefer to be "sniped" with a .223, Where do you want it ? [sniper]
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Put it with that empty threat
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:29:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sckoyrsht:
Originally Posted By fizassist: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but:
Originally Posted By sckoyrsht: I can only hope that if a sniper ever squeezes off on me that he's shooting a .223.
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I hope that too, if it's out of a 6.5" bbl. If it's a 20", you're in a whole different ballpark of wounding potential (fragmentation).
I'm especially fond of the scoped flattops with the great veiw of the front sight.
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Have you ever looked through a 4x (or greater) scope on such a configuration? The front sight is so far out of the focal plane that you can't even see it. No need for a fancy $170 flip up front sight.
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400 yds. No fragmentation! Sorry
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What is the typical engagement distance of a police sniper?
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:31:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SHIVAN458:
Originally Posted By sckoyrsht:
Originally Posted By SHIVAN458: You may also want to ask the victims of the DC area "sniper" how "effective" the .223/5.56 is for sniping..... You stupid [:K]
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Exactly there are some you can ask
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You dumb [:K], the kid couldn't shoot worth a shit.....he hit a 400lb guy in the stomach....he also hit the kid in the shoulder. Every body else he hit died......... You're an idiot and you know it.... Try shooting yourself in the head with a .223 and then tell us how it is.....ummmmKkkkkk? Thanks.
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Thanks for all the technicals, next.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:33:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sckoyrsht: Thanks for all the technicals, next.
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So are you a troll or not? What is the typical engagement distance of police snipers?
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:37:26 PM EDT
My argument is not whether you can kill within 250 yds!!! SNIPER RIFLE 400 YDS+!!! AND I SAY THE .223 IS INEFFECTIVE AGAINST MANSIZED TARGETS AT THAT RANGE!! PROVE ME WRONG!
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:42:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sckoyrsht: My argument is not whether you can kill within 250 yds!!! SNIPER RIFLE 400 YDS+!!! AND I SAY THE .223 IS INEFFECTIVE AGAINST MANSIZED TARGETS AT THAT RANGE!! PROVE ME WRONG!
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First, the typical engagement distance of a LE sniper is under 100yds. Therefore, your argument is without merit. Now sit the fuck down, and shut the fuck up TROLL!!! [:K]
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:44:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sckoyrsht: Are all these experts that unaware of the abilities of .223 caliber
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You appear to be unaware of the abilities of the .223 / 5.56mm. The heavy 5.56mm bullets offer outstading accuracy and terminal ballistics.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:46:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/11/2003 6:47:43 PM EDT by sckoyrsht]
Originally Posted By SHIVAN458:
Originally Posted By sckoyrsht: My argument is not whether you can kill within 250 yds!!! SNIPER RIFLE 400 YDS+!!! AND I SAY THE .223 IS INEFFECTIVE AGAINST MANSIZED TARGETS AT THAT RANGE!! PROVE ME WRONG!
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First, the typical engagement distance of a LE sniper is under 100yds. Therefore, your argument is without merit. Now sit the fuck down, and shut the fuck up TROLL!!! [:K]
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100 YDS!! YOU NEED A $1500 RIFLE TO SHOOT 100 YDS. SOUNDS LIKE A JOB FOR MY GRAMPAS 30/30 WITH THE 4X BUSHNELL
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:46:58 PM EDT
DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!! [:K][banana][:K][banana] IBTL!!
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:48:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SHIVAN458: What is the typical engagement distance of a police sniper?
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About 72 yards. Marine sbnipers returning from Iraqi Freedom report most shots were under 200 meters. Marine infantry returning from Iragi Freedom report most shots were were from about 30 meters.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:50:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sckoyrsht: SNIPER RIFLE 400 YDS+!!! AND I SAY THE .223 IS INEFFECTIVE AGAINST MANSIZED TARGETS AT THAT RANGE!! PROVE ME WRONG!
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Do a search on the SPR series rifles deployed in the phillipines and afganistan. all the proof anyone will ever need that an 18" carbine sooting 75 - 77 Gn bullets is a very effective "Sniper" rifle.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:51:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By sckoyrsht: Are all these experts that unaware of the abilities of .223 caliber
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You appear to be unaware of the abilities of the .223 / 5.56mm. The heavy 5.56mm bullets offer outstading accuracy and terminal ballistics.
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"outstanding" is that all the proof I get?
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 6:52:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By SHIVAN458: What is the typical engagement distance of a police sniper?
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About 72 yards. Marine sbnipers returning from Iraqi Freedom report most shots were under 200 meters. Marine infantry returning from Iragi Freedom report most shots were were from about 30 meters.
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I see someone, BESIDES ME, knew the answer. Ding, ding, ding........one winner: AR15fan One loser: [b]sckoyrsht[/b]
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 7:00:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SHIVAN458:
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By SHIVAN458: What is the typical engagement distance of a police sniper?
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About 72 yards. Marine sbnipers returning from Iraqi Freedom report most shots were under 200 meters. Marine infantry returning from Iragi Freedom report most shots were were from about 30 meters.
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I see someone, BESIDES ME, knew the answer. Ding, ding, ding........one winner: AR15fan One loser: [b]sckoyrsht[/b]
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200 meters does not require any special equipment GI will do
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 7:02:12 PM EDT
IBTL! Troll threads never last long.... Why do you guys keep feeding the troll? You know if you ignore him he'll take his bankie and go nappy time.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 7:07:18 PM EDT
Oh well, Not convinced. I'll stick to this 7mm-08 for long range stuff and ARs for making my imediate 200 meters a living hell Going to bed, feel free to bash me while Im gone.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 7:08:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sckoyrsht:
Originally Posted By walttx: you better call the pentagon and tell them that using the .223 is wrong. they have it all wrong !!! [moon]
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Are you telling me there are issued .223 sniper rifles
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no
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 7:35:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sckoyrsht: Going to bed, feel free to bash me while Im gone.
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Told you...
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 7:35:48 PM EDT
I cant believe you ladies are still feeding the Troll. OK....here's one more banana for him to shove down his throat. If he shoved it up his ass he wouldn't be able to talk anymore. [banana] [:K]
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 7:44:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sckoyrsht: .223 SNIPER RIFLES!!, I can only hope that if a sniper ever squeezes off on me that he's shooting a .223. The market is flooded with these things whats the thinking behind this? I'm especially fond of the scoped flattops with the great veiw of the front sight. Are all these experts that unaware of the abilities of .223 caliber
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Hey boso, ever been shot in the head or vital area with a .223 round? Didn't think so, because you wouldnt be here bitching to us if you did.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 8:23:15 PM EDT
not primaries, but not A2s, either: [url]http://www.armysniperassociation.com/comp2.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.armysniperassociation.com/1.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.armysniperassociation.com/5a.jpg[/url] not 5.56, but still AR, sweet: [url]http://www.armysniperassociation.com/10.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.armysniperassociation.com/21.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.armysniperassociation.com/60.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.armysniperassociation.com/62.jpg[/url] again, sweet: [url]http://www.armysniperassociation.com/62.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.armysniperassociation.com/30a.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.armysniperassociation.com/33.jpg[/url] da-da-damn, I carried and taught '85-'86 the M40A1, but I luv the 10 [url]http://www.armysniperassociation.com/34.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.armysniperassociation.com/35.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.armysniperassociation.com/85.jpg[/url] sckoyrsht, was that "uncle" I heard? Okay, I quit with the pics. Ah, you were calling for your wicked Uncle Ernie....comfort food.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 8:30:12 PM EDT
ibtl yay! post count +1
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 9:13:17 PM EDT
Quotha My argument is not whether you can kill within 250 yds!!! SNIPER RIFLE 400 YDS+!!! AND I SAY THE .223 IS INEFFECTIVE AGAINST MANSIZED TARGETS AT THAT RANGE!! PROVE ME WRONG! I guess this means you would be willing to stand 401 yards away from the guys on this list while flipping them off and letting them shoot at you. One shot each and see what happens???
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 9:21:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/11/2003 9:23:48 PM EDT by FrankSquid]
Originally Posted By sckoyrsht: .223 SNIPER RIFLES!!, I can only hope that if a sniper ever squeezes off on me that he's shooting a .223. The market is flooded with these things whats the thinking behind this? I'm especially fond of the scoped flattops with the great veiw of the front sight. Are all these experts that unaware of the abilities of .223 caliber
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[red]6.) No “trolling”. This means posting controversial or “valueless” topics simply to gain attention or anger other members. There is a big difference in a “trolling” topic and a thread started just to have fun![/red] Even your name is troll-like s[red]i[/red]ck o[red]f[/red] y[red]ou[/red]r sh[red]i[/red]t How come I get the feeling that you [i]used[/i] to post under a differnt name? LOCKED
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 9:41:48 PM EDT
I think your forgot to actually lock it....
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 10:00:39 PM EDT
My first IATL!
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 10:04:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/11/2003 10:05:12 PM EDT by kay9]
I too, have been deflowered. IATL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 10:17:47 PM EDT
Oh yeah! IATL!
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 10:18:46 PM EDT
Now I feel all cheap and dirty. You guys don't respect me now, I can just feel it...
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 10:21:44 PM EDT
DaveS, Excellent pics by the way. Thanks for sharing them with us.
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 10:45:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/11/2003 10:53:25 PM EDT by Winston_Wolf]
... Come on fellas, I'm not convinced [b]sckoyrsht[/b] is a troll yet. A low post count, controversial topics and poor sentence structure doesn't automatically make someone a troll. Give the guy/gal a break. ... I would like to look at his/her position a little closer. Maybe his remarks just came across to some of you a little differently than myself. ... He has some valid points. Outside of 100 yards .223/5.56 NATO external ballistics drop off the chart fast. Sure, it will accurately dispatch varmints all day long but if your target is "larger" the 308./7.62 NATO fills the role much more effectively. ... I love my AR15s but when "doing work at a stretch" nothing beats 168 grain HPBT for stability and lethality. The highest magnification I have on any of my AR's is that of the ACOG TA01NSN (4x32). Don't you think there were well researched reasons for that before the military issued them en masse? Like maybe inside 100 yards. ... Someday maybe we'll even talk about effective external ballistics with the .50 BMG, a subject I would very much like to learn more about; seeing how I just recently bought one! ... P.S. edited to add, did you notice [i]any[/i] sight towers on [i]any[/i] of those fine rifles in the military pics? Did you notice the military slowly taking interest in AR10s lately?
Link Posted: 5/11/2003 10:54:00 PM EDT
If my man Squid didnt remember to lock it, I had fun reading this post to the end before I did. Look man, if you are so short sighted and closed minded to realize there are different rifles for different purposes, then I doubt your intelligent enough to figure out that there's a much better way to get information that you clearly lack. Before you can go out and get a clue, you're going to have to come down off that pedistal. Its got you up too high to see most of the world moving on without you. Locked.
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