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Posted: 8/29/2013 12:52:11 PM EDT
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Unfortunate, the side you have chosen, Troy. I will not support any company who sides with those who would willingly kill innocent people. Well then you better just hang it up buying ANY guns then, because most of the gun manufacturers provide the Military and Police with products. So I guess you are SOL for future gun purchasing. You ALL are a bunch of sheep. I give so much credit to Steve Troy for standing up for what he believes in, I can guarantee you, most of you backwood rednecks don't have any military service background to stand up for your rights as an American citizen. |
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Posted: 8/29/2013 12:57:41 PM EDT
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FAIL.... You knowingly employeed dale. You are not a Patriot. Good bye. I think I may put in my sig line."Troy knowingly employeed an assassin." Really? Seriously? An assassin? Oh puhlease, you need to learn to read man. Monroe didn't pull the trigger, didn't shoot anyone in cold blood. In regards to being a Patriot?! YOU yourself I am sure cannot even boast about one year of service for the United States of American and it's military. You are the chicken shit that stays home, plays military games on his X-box in his mother's basement. Get a life and be a man. |
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Posted: 8/29/2013 12:58:19 PM EDT
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Not one red cent from me....... That's good because Troy, being the AMERICAN MADE company that it is, doesn't want any of your RED money, dipshit. |
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Posted: 8/29/2013 1:00:50 PM EDT
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Even if they were free, I would not mount them on any of my rifles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mr. Troy, I have set of your flip up sights and a front fixed sight. I am no longer satisfied with these sights, as I do not care you have your mp name on any weapon I possess. Are you willing to buy them back? **While I am not surprised......Troy refuses to buy back any sights just because I am not satisfied with them. Anyone need a set of flips and a fixed front......cheap? Even if they were free, I would not mount them on any of my rifles. BULLSHIT you wouldn't mount them on your rifles. All of you are a bunch of friggin sheep following each other. Trust me, the quality of Troy products will outshine the piece of crap you use to replace it - good luck with that! |
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Posted: 8/29/2013 1:25:40 PM EDT
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It just warms you heart to see a brand new member shit talking everyone
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Posted: 8/29/2013 1:53:17 PM EDT
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It just warms you heart to see a brand new member shit talking everyone '13er? Check. August '13er? Check ridiculously low post count? Check non paying, non team member? Check and Check. Sense of entitlement and delusions of relevance? Check and Check. |
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Posted: 8/29/2013 2:25:17 PM EDT
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'13er? Check. August '13er? Check ridiculously low post count? Check non paying, non team member? Check and Check. Sense of entitlement and delusions of relevance? Check and Check. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It just warms you heart to see a brand new member shit talking everyone '13er? Check. August '13er? Check ridiculously low post count? Check non paying, non team member? Check and Check. Sense of entitlement and delusions of relevance? Check and Check. I've noticed he's been trolling all the Troy threads. It's probably a fanboy's shill account if not someone from Troy. |
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Posted: 8/29/2013 2:46:47 PM EDT
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Troy = Seriously.
Seriously = Troll. Troll = Perma Ban. |
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Posted: 8/29/2013 2:54:00 PM EDT
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I've noticed he's been trolling all the Troy threads. It's probably a fanboy's shill account if not someone from Troy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It just warms you heart to see a brand new member shit talking everyone '13er? Check. August '13er? Check ridiculously low post count? Check non paying, non team member? Check and Check. Sense of entitlement and delusions of relevance? Check and Check. I've noticed he's been trolling all the Troy threads. It's probably a fanboy's shill account if not someone from Troy. His profile says he registered 2 days ago. Obvious troll account is obvious. Let's stop feeding him and maybe he'll get bored. |
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Posted: 8/29/2013 3:02:10 PM EDT
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That's good because Troy, being the AMERICAN MADE company that it is, doesn't want any of your RED money, dipshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not one red cent from me....... That's good because Troy, being the AMERICAN MADE company that it is, doesn't want any of your RED money, dipshit. I hate to say it but....Damn 13'ers |
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Posted: 8/29/2013 3:26:47 PM EDT
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Well then you better just hang it up buying ANY guns then, because most of the gun manufacturers provide the Military and Police with products. So I guess you are SOL for future gun purchasing. You ALL are a bunch of sheep. I give so much credit to Steve Troy for standing up for what he believes in, I can guarantee you, most of you backwood rednecks don't have any military service background to stand up for your rights as an American citizen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Unfortunate, the side you have chosen, Troy. I will not support any company who sides with those who would willingly kill innocent people. Well then you better just hang it up buying ANY guns then, because most of the gun manufacturers provide the Military and Police with products. So I guess you are SOL for future gun purchasing. You ALL are a bunch of sheep. I give so much credit to Steve Troy for standing up for what he believes in, I can guarantee you, most of you backwood rednecks don't have any military service background to stand up for your rights as an American citizen. you can take your backwoods redneck statement and shove it up your ass |
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Posted: 8/29/2013 4:21:43 PM EDT
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Remember folks this is an Industry Section not GD. Don't want to see any good members getting booted for a troll.
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Posted: 8/29/2013 10:26:48 PM EDT
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Seems like a foolish business decision to me when you're looking at basically destroying good will for one instructor who brings in how much business?
Loyalty is all well and good, but what about loyalty to the dozens of other employees at Troy? Should a whole ship sink for one man? Good luck to you. It's an unfortunate and regrettable situation. 
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Posted: 8/30/2013 11:49:09 AM EDT
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No one talks about the ROE's given for the operation. They where basically shoot on sight, excluding children. All the bullshit about Troy being anti Patriot is ridicules. Troy is willing to put his business on the line for his employee's and that says a lot about his character.
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Posted: 8/30/2013 1:51:12 PM EDT
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That's good because Troy, being the AMERICAN MADE company that it is, doesn't want any of your RED money, dipshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not one red cent from me....... That's good because Troy, being the AMERICAN MADE company that it is, doesn't want any of your RED money, dipshit. Steve? Is that you? |
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Posted: 8/30/2013 1:53:38 PM EDT
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No one talks about the ROE's given for the operation. They where basically shoot on sight, excluding children. All the bullshit about Troy being anti Patriot is ridicules. Troy is willing to put his business on the line for his employee's and that says a lot about his character. Fuck the ROE. And fuck be upon those who give comfort and aid to our enemies. Foreign and domestic. |
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Posted: 8/30/2013 3:03:17 PM EDT
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No one talks about the ROE's given for the operation. They where basically shoot on sight, excluding children. All the bullshit about Troy being anti Patriot is ridicules. Troy is willing to put his business on the line for his employee's and that says a lot about his character. So you are ok with those ROE's? Just because some bureaucrat decided it was ok to murder unarmed women doesn't make it ok. Toy will not see another dime of my money as long as they employ this JBT. |
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Posted: 8/30/2013 4:19:20 PM EDT
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No one talks about the ROE's given for the operation. They where basically shoot on sight, excluding children. All the bullshit about Troy being anti Patriot is ridicules. Troy is willing to put his business on the line for his employee's and that says a lot about his character. EVERYONE was talking about the ROE's
Go read one of the 2 locked threads. Fucked up Roes don't excuse the actions of those involved. They knew the law and knew the ROE wasn't in line with it. But the worthless scum followed it and a Mother was shot in the face. |
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Posted: 8/30/2013 5:23:17 PM EDT
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Obviously I think the ROE's where wrong, they were ruled unconstitutional. Do I support the decision's made at RR? No I don't. But what is interesting to me is that no one here was talking about RR when the FBI's HRT got that dirtbag Boston bomber. The same people that said "go" at RR were the same people that said "go" in Boston too. Everyone (myself included) was glad that we got the scumbag. Then there was thread after thread about all of HRT's cool gear and stuff. All I'm saying is this whole fuss is bigger than the guy who squeezed the trigger. No one will know what was going through his mind at the time. Why should the FBI get support when they do something "good" despite their past, and Dale (who didn't even shoot a single bullet) who has been completely honest about everything, gets shit on for trying to move on? Hell I just wanted to voice my opinion. Everybody does something wrong in their life, but not everyone is in a position for that screw up to hit national news. I don't own anything Troy at the moment, but I would not mind spending my money on any of his products.
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Posted: 8/30/2013 5:36:20 PM EDT
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Whoa.... this is a terrible comparison. Ruby Ridge and randy Weaver to the Boston Bombers,( Speedbump and Flashbang).
This will not end well. 
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Posted: 8/30/2013 5:40:19 PM EDT
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Obviously I think the ROE's where wrong, they were ruled unconstitutional. Do I support the decision's made at RR? No I don't. But what is interesting to me is that no one here was talking about RR when the FBI's HRT got that dirtbag Boston bomber. The same people that said "go" at RR were the same people that said "go" in Boston too. Everyone (myself included) was glad that we got the scumbag. Then there was thread after thread about all of HRT's cool gear and stuff. All I'm saying is this whole fuss is bigger than the guy who squeezed the trigger. No one will know what was going through his mind at the time. Why should the FBI get support when they do something "good" despite their past, and Dale (who didn't even shoot a single bullet) who has been completely honest about everything, gets shit on for trying to move on? Hell I just wanted to voice my opinion. Everybody does something wrong in their life, but not everyone is in a position for that screw up to hit national news. I don't own anything Troy at the moment, but I would not mind spending my money on any of his products. Very few people on this site support the FBI in anything it does. Don't try and kill our buzz |
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Posted: 8/30/2013 6:03:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Obviously I think the ROE's where wrong, they were ruled unconstitutional. Do I support the decision's made at RR? No I don't. But what is interesting to me is that no one here was talking about RR when the FBI's HRT got that dirtbag Boston bomber. The same people that said "go" at RR were the same people that said "go" in Boston too. Everyone (myself included) was glad that we got the scumbag. Then there was thread after thread about all of HRT's cool gear and stuff. All I'm saying is this whole fuss is bigger than the guy who squeezed the trigger. No one will know what was going through his mind at the time. Why should the FBI get support when they do something "good" despite their past, and Dale (who didn't even shoot a single bullet) who has been completely honest about everything, gets shit on for trying to move on? Hell I just wanted to voice my opinion. Everybody does something wrong in their life, but not everyone is in a position for that screw up to hit national news. I don't own anything Troy at the moment, but I would not mind spending my money on any of his products. |
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Posted: 8/30/2013 8:21:00 PM EDT
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Obviously I think the ROE's where wrong, they were ruled unconstitutional. Do I support the decision's made at RR? No I don't. But what is interesting to me is that no one here was talking about RR when the FBI's HRT got that dirtbag Boston bomber. The same people that said "go" at RR were the same people that said "go" in Boston too. Everyone (myself included) was glad that we got the scumbag. Then there was thread after thread about all of HRT's cool gear and stuff. All I'm saying is this whole fuss is bigger than the guy who squeezed the trigger. No one will know what was going through his mind at the time. Why should the FBI get support when they do something "good" despite their past, and Dale (who didn't even shoot a single bullet) who has been completely honest about everything, gets shit on for trying to move on? Hell I just wanted to voice my opinion. Everybody does something wrong in their life, but not everyone is in a position for that screw up to hit national news. I don't own anything Troy at the moment, but I would not mind spending my money on any of his products. Are you comparing a man and his family who were setup, who just wanted to live off the grid, that grew and hunted their own food, made more with less, that were assassinated to a FUCKING Terrorist Bomber? AND... after this Kick Citizen Gun Owners in the Balls debacle you still would support Troy? I got it. Lima Charlie. |
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Posted: 8/30/2013 8:23:03 PM EDT
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Really you all have gone way off level with this, I understand your voicing your opinion to Troy and letting them know your feelings on this issue , but this thread has gone beyond that to the typical grunge fest that is GD.
In private industries , we vote with our dollar. |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 12:47:10 AM EDT
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Mostly a lurker, but just adding that I'll be looking elsewhere for parts. Turns out those battlemags from aimsurplus early this month were my final troy purchase.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:16:47 AM EDT
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seriously=troy
worst most obvious alter ever. lol i will pass on your products and spread the word. yours truly, backwoods nc redneck |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 10:33:33 AM EDT
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Really you all have gone way off level with this, I understand your voicing your opinion to Troy and letting them know your feelings on this issue , but this thread has gone beyond that to the typical grunge fest that is GD. In private industries , we vote with our dollar. Ah....being a part of or aid to an assassination team of Americans is not our "I typical grunge fest" is it. |
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Posted: 8/31/2013 7:25:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2013 9:53:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2013 11:47:14 PM EDT
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seriously=troy worst most obvious alter ever. lol i will pass on your products and spread the word. yours truly, backwoods nc redneck Yep. We need to remember this for a long, long time. |
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Posted: 9/1/2013 4:52:45 AM EDT
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No.
I own a Troy rail and a set of BUIS. I will not be buying anything Troy again. Based on the reaction I'm seeing from Troy, this new hire must be giving you a lot of new sales. I know you never imagined over 80,000 people would know about his little secret. 85,000 of your most motivated and enthusiastic customers. He needs to be the number one salesman just to get you to break even off of the sales he has lost your company. For such a star new recruit, I find it odd that he's not mentioned on your site anywhere. Poor moral/ethical decision. Poor business decision. Troy is tainted now and can't be recommended. And maybe he will get you a lot of fed business. If you are moving the company in a direction that only values government sales, fine. Just say so and stop the bullshit 'statements.' |
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Posted: 9/1/2013 11:51:00 AM EDT
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TROY = Seriously Outstanding QC, DESIGN and PRODUCTS
TROY= Seriously flawed logic in hiring these "experts" I have several thousand dollars invested in Troy gear...I will wait 30 more days to see if Troy does the right thing and gives this LEOFUCK his walking papers...every FBI SRT team member present at that operation KNEW the ROE were flawed and went ahead and acted them out anyway...No different that Lt Calley's actions at My Lai...every FBI agent who popped a primer at Ruby Ridge is guilty of violating the Weavers rights...Did this man pull the trigger on Vicky Weaver...NO...although he did spot and assist Lon Horiuchi in doing so, I am sure he called range to the target, windage and elevation calls, only lacking a trigger pull to be guilty of her murder ...he also stated given the chance he would have pulled the trigger and disagreed with the DOJ's limited finding that the ROE were unconstitutional... Troy, there are hundreds of GOOD DECENT VETS, SEALS, SPECIAL OPERATORS and such out there looking for jobs post war deployments that would love to work for you...people that would bring honor and decency to your company name again...FIRE THESE BOZOS, admit you erred and put this behind you...Hire honor, don't defend dishonor... Should you decide to continue employing this idiot(?) I will simply remove all of my Troy industries components and render them into scrap metal...I will not sell them to someone...they would simply no longer be worthy of existing as fighting rifle components... Capt Travis Beach USMC, LEO, USCG Capt. ... |
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Posted: 9/1/2013 12:29:59 PM EDT
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It's not just one or two bad decisions on the part of Steve Troy that has done his company in --- It's a three bad decisions. Two pathetic hiring decisions, and the last bad decision was to get on this forum and defend his pathetic choices. He's typical of today's CEO's who operate on the mantra ---- "Never, ever, ever admit you were wrong, and always remember your shit don't stink". Ha --- he sounds like someone getting to run for a Senate seat in Washington !!!! Be afraid -- be very afraid.
The bigger concern is this --- if he is this stupid to make these three bad decisions, how quickly will he roll over for the Government at some point in the future. I see the writing on the wall --- he will cease civilian sales very soon, and will only sell to law enforcement agencies or the DHS only. Heck, as much as everyone is revolting against Troy Industries, he may have no choice. As for me and mine --- we'll be shoppin' elsewhere with companies that make better decisions. |
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Posted: 9/1/2013 3:04:08 PM EDT
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Cryin ass shame...
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Posted: 9/1/2013 3:31:08 PM EDT
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Steve, I have enjoyed your products for many years and I will keep those I have on my firearms. With that said, I will not be purchasing any more. I am a Sheriff Deputy and take offense to both persons and their actions.
You can't un ring the two bells that have sounded so far and so deeply as Monroe and J-Fled. |
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Posted: 9/1/2013 4:01:46 PM EDT
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I don't post on the fourms vary often,I live in Idaho and saw the Ruby ridge mess unfold.
I am STUNNED that Troy would hire this murdering puke. In the middle of 3 AR builds for my children NO TROY PRODUCTS! "For it is the doom of men that they forget" I will not forget |
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Posted: 9/2/2013 2:25:08 AM EDT
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Ya'll shouldn't worry about Troy enterprises. The team blue will close ranks and take good care of 'em.
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Posted: 9/2/2013 4:12:31 AM EDT
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I don't post on the fourms vary often,I live in Idaho and saw the Ruby ridge mess unfold. I am STUNNED that Troy would hire this murdering puke. In the middle of 3 AR builds for my children NO TROY PRODUCTS! "For it is the doom of men that they forget" I will not forget Not to interrupt the beating of a dead horse here, but who did Monroe murder? |
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Posted: 9/2/2013 5:31:05 AM EDT
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I was gonna buy one of you're trx-308 rails. You just made my mind up for me. NO THANKS!
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Posted: 9/2/2013 5:50:00 AM EDT
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Wow. 2 friends were going to buy Troy rails. I showed them the original post and the original long thread. They decided to buy LaRue rails instead.
I hope your decision lands you plenty of .gov contracts. You're going to need them. |
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Posted: 9/2/2013 7:20:02 AM EDT
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Not to interrupt the beating of a dead horse here, but who did Monroe murder? Monroe did not pull a trigger, however he was along side of Lon Horiuchi. The big question is this, what the heJJ is not one biOtching about HS Precision's hiring of Lon Horiuchi? Have ya heard a single peep about that? |
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Posted: 9/2/2013 7:46:00 AM EDT
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Monroe did not pull a trigger, however he was along side of Lon Horiuchi. The big question is this, what the heJJ is not one biOtching about HS Precision's hiring of Lon Horiuchi? Have ya heard a single peep about that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not to interrupt the beating of a dead horse here, but who did Monroe murder? Monroe did not pull a trigger, however he was along side of Lon Horiuchi. The big question is this, what the heJJ is not one biOtching about HS Precision's hiring of Lon Horiuchi? Have ya heard a single peep about that? I saw that too. |
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Posted: 9/2/2013 8:00:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Monroe did not pull a trigger, however he was along side of Lon Horiuchi. The big question is this, what the heJJ is not one biOtching about HS Precision's hiring of Lon Horiuchi? Have ya heard a single peep about that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not to interrupt the beating of a dead horse here, but who did Monroe murder? Monroe did not pull a trigger, however he was along side of Lon Horiuchi. The big question is this, what the heJJ is not one biOtching about HS Precision's hiring of Lon Horiuchi? Have ya heard a single peep about that? That's old news. There has been much hate levied against HS Precision since that point, and many are already boycotting HS Precision for it. |
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Posted: 9/2/2013 10:36:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's old news. There has been much hate levied against HS Precision since that point, and many are already boycotting HS Precision for it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Monroe did not pull a trigger, however he was along side of Lon Horiuchi. The big question is this, what the heJJ is not one biOtching about HS Precision's hiring of Lon Horiuchi? Have ya heard a single peep about that? That's old news. There has been much hate levied against HS Precision since that point, and many are already boycotting HS Precision for it. If I recall there was a big blow up and thread on this site about HS, I think it was a couple years ago if i am not mistaken? HS may have lost some business when all this came to light but ended up back to where they were after the story died down, I think new customers fill in for the few that hold true to the boycott and then its business as usual for HS I think Troy is banking on the same outcome? I could be wrong but Zumbo is working again and HS is still selling their product. I will never buy from HS or Troy but with time 5 people will take the place of each person in today's boycott unless this info is made available for years to come |
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Posted: 9/2/2013 1:07:05 PM EDT
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Guess I missed all the HS bull rap.......I. Always have preferred McMillan
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Posted: 9/2/2013 7:57:06 PM EDT
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I'm guessing Troy Industries is hoping that Mr. Monroe can bring in more government business than they will lose from civilians by the hiring of Mr. Monroe.
For myself, until Mr. Monroe is gone from Troy, never will spend another penny with them. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 6:42:15 PM EDT
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Well this blows I was going to use Troy for a lot of products for my next build. Hopefully you will change your mind and fire the JACK BOOTED THUG. I will reevaluate when you do..maybe.
Steve= 
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Posted: 9/4/2013 12:23:59 AM EDT
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The only way people in the industry will learn that hiring people who support assassinating American citizens who have broken no law, or are clearly at odds with the principles laid forth in the Constitution and Bill of Rights is bad is if it costs them their business.
They need to be the examples, and if they are good examples, they will thrive. But if the chose to become bad examples, we should do everything legal in our power to ensure they fail for stabbing us in the back. I will never buy from the following companies that have some type of affiliation with firearms: ARMS Leatherman Troy HS Precision (and I had forgotten about them hiring the murderer, as I wasn't into bolt guns until this year) And if companies decide to join this list, I will be sure to update it. Before anyone mentions Bill Ruger, and his stance on 'high capacity' mags, he is dead, and the company has publically said that Bill Ruger's stance on that issue was just that: HIS stance. He was the head of the company at the time the AWB was passed, but not any more, and Ruger is more that happy to sell 'high capacity' to those in states that allow it. Ruger has made it a point to not only sell the 'high capacity' mags where legal, but to spend quite a bit of money to fight against the legislation to ban EBRs and magazines when it was being floated after Sandy Hook. |
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Posted: 9/4/2013 8:34:23 AM EDT
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The only way people in the industry will learn that hiring people who support assassinating American citizens who have broken no law, or are clearly at odds with the principles laid forth in the Constitution and Bill of Rights is bad is if it costs them their business. They need to be the examples, and if they are good examples, they will thrive. But if the chose to become bad examples, we should do everything legal in our power to ensure they fail for stabbing us in the back. I will never buy from the following companies that have some type of affiliation with firearms: ARMS Leatherman Troy HS Precision (and I had forgotten about them hiring the murderer, as I wasn't into bolt guns until this year) And if companies decide to join this list, I will be sure to update it. Before anyone mentions Bill Ruger, and his stance on 'high capacity' mags, he is dead, and the company has publically said that Bill Ruger's stance on that issue was just that: HIS stance. He was the head of the company at the time the AWB was passed, but not any more, and Ruger is more that happy to sell 'high capacity' to those in states that allow it. Ruger has made it a point to not only sell the 'high capacity' mags where legal, but to spend quite a bit of money to fight against the legislation to ban EBRs and magazines when it was being floated after Sandy Hook. Why Leatherman? |
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Posted: 9/4/2013 9:38:14 AM EDT
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The only way people in the industry will learn that hiring people who support assassinating American citizens who have broken no law, or are clearly at odds with the principles laid forth in the Constitution and Bill of Rights is bad is if it costs them their business. They need to be the examples, and if they are good examples, they will thrive. But if the chose to become bad examples, we should do everything legal in our power to ensure they fail for stabbing us in the back. I will never buy from the following companies that have some type of affiliation with firearms: ARMS Leatherman Troy HS Precision (and I had forgotten about them hiring the murderer, as I wasn't into bolt guns until this year) And if companies decide to join this list, I will be sure to update it. Before anyone mentions Bill Ruger, and his stance on 'high capacity' mags, he is dead, and the company has publically said that Bill Ruger's stance on that issue was just that: HIS stance. He was the head of the company at the time the AWB was passed, but not any more, and Ruger is more that happy to sell 'high capacity' to those in states that allow it. Ruger has made it a point to not only sell the 'high capacity' mags where legal, but to spend quite a bit of money to fight against the legislation to ban EBRs and magazines when it was being floated after Sandy Hook. Why Leatherman? Some folks are a bit pissy because the owner decided to support Kerry in 2004 |
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