What would you like to see next from Primary Arms optics? (Page 3 of 22)
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After getting to play with the 2.5X, 5X, and HUD reticles, I think a 2.5-10x36 with the same reticle style as the 2.5x and 1-8 Platinum would be epic. The big horseshoe would be ACOG like speed at 2.5-6x, and the detailed inner reticle would be great for quick long range target acquisition. A true jack of all trades. |
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
We had given up entirely on a reciprocating slide mounted reflex sight. Couldn't pull it off, too expensive to develop, wouldn't be tough enough. But then... there was some extra white space on the old drawing board. And, well... we're looking into it. Again. |
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Originally Posted By Caeser2001:
Why does it have to be able to handle a reciprocating slide of a handgun to only come to market? |
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
Because despite putting a recoil limitation in the box and manual for our last reflex sights, PARRSO1 and PARRSO2, we had a ton of them come back to us broken when people "tried them out" on their slides. It was really meant to be like a .22lr to .223 reflex sight on the cheap but no matter what we wrote or said, people put them on their slides and broke them and then blamed us. So, we learned our lesson-- this is what shooters use these sights for now, even if you tell them not to. So, we have to build the next generation to be able to handle that. Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
Originally Posted By Caeser2001:
Why does it have to be able to handle a reciprocating slide of a handgun to only come to market? My wife stole my pistol's Vortex Venom for her AR, and I'd like it back, but don't really want to shell out another $200+ for an optic for a gun she shoots once or twice a year. I suppose that sales probably wouldn't support it, but I could see a larger reflex (something like the MRO to T1 proportion) being liked for carbine use. Especially if it accepted MRO bases. 
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Originally Posted By keeperofthedew: Could you make a larger version? (That wouldn't fit on a slide?) My wife stole my pistol's Vortex Venom for her AR, and I'd like it back, but don't really want to shell out another $200+ for an optic for a gun she shoots once or twice a year. I suppose that sales probably wouldn't support it, but I could see a larger reflex (something like the MRO to T1 proportion) being liked for carbine use. Especially if it accepted MRO bases. http://www.primaryarms.com/MD-RB-AD-FDE 
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I actually already have one of the blem version of those, and for me, nothing, because those are fantastic.
But my wife won't use any type of tube dot, and loves the reflex style sights. 
I've got a buddy who has one of your ACSS Holosuns on his AR, but he also prefers the reflex style sights. |
| Was browsing through PA’s optics tonight, and I noticed there is no 5X for 7.62x39mm? That would be a nice addition to the lineup! Really like the fixed power scopes. Don’t have to monkey with anything. I have two of the 6X in the 1” tube and a 5X. Wish I would have bought a couple more of the 6X tubes. The glass has amazing clarity, especially for the $120 they were going for. |
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike: We already have a great red dot for carbines available for $150 with a lifetime warranty. What would your proposed optic do that this doesn't do already? http://www.primaryarms.com/MD-RB-AD-FDE http://www.primaryarms.com/SSP%20Applications/NetSuite%20Inc.%20-%20SCA%20Mont%20Blanc/Development/img/MD-RB-AD-FDE_00.jpg?resizeid=7&resizeh=0&resizew=2000 Originally Posted By PA_Mike: We already have a great red dot for carbines available for $150 with a lifetime warranty. What would your proposed optic do that this doesn't do already? http://www.primaryarms.com/MD-RB-AD-FDE http://www.primaryarms.com/SSP%20Applications/NetSuite%20Inc.%20-%20SCA%20Mont%20Blanc/Development/img/MD-RB-AD-FDE_00.jpg?resizeid=7&resizeh=0&resizew=2000 Originally Posted By keeperofthedew:
I actually already have one of the blem version of those, and for me, nothing, because those are fantastic.
But my wife won't use any type of tube dot, and loves the reflex style sights.
I've got a buddy who has one of your ACSS Holosuns on his AR, but he also prefers the reflex style sights. As much as I like my PA micro dot I'm planning on a Vortex Venom to be my next red dot purchase. I was also really interested in the new reflex sight that Nikon released. You guys are 100% right though that it will need to be able to handle recoil mounted on a slide. |
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
Hey all, I have a meeting coming up about planning ahead for future optics projects for our brand. If you've posted up "Hey, why don't you guys build a ..." in the past or if you have a really cool idea for an optics product, here's your chance! What is the product that doesn't exist right now, that you would want to buy with the Primary Arms name etched on the side. And GO! http://primaryarmsoptics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/MysteryScope.jpg I'd also like to see a pistol slide mount sight with the 32MOA circle and 2MOA dot, like the HoloSun 507C. Again, I like the ability to use the whole circle for close targets, and the dot for distant precise shooting. No need for the solar nonsense though. Thanks for taking time to ask for, and read our comments. |
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@ROTIH have you seen the Holosun ACSS red dot?
It might get the job done for you. 
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
@ROTIH have you seen the Holosun ACSS red dot? It might get the job done for you. http://www.primaryarms.com/SSP%20Applications/NetSuite%20Inc.%20-%20SCA%20Mont%20Blanc/Development/img/HS503G-ACSS_06.jpg?resizeid=7&resizeh=0&resizew=2000 I'm not using my ARs for very long range shooting. I am realistically only going to be reaching out to 200 yards. So the "busier" ACSS reticle is not really relevant to my use. With a 50/200 yard zero, the bottom has mark on the circle is the 7 yard zero. So the bottom hash mark accounts for mechanical offset at short ranges, and is very fast and precise. The ACSS reticle lacks that important hash mark at the bottom of the circle that allows for the very fast, and very precise short range shooting, so again it's not relevant to my use. My work rifle is required to have an EOTech EXPS2-0 (and that's good because I prefer that reticle), so I want my personal ARs to have the same sight picture, both for the reasons stated above, but also to keep things standardized between the "fun" guns, and the work gun. Thanks for the suggestion though, and again thanks for taking the time to ask for, and pay attention to, what customers want. |
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Ah yes, that makes sense. I think you're a sort of specialized use case. I don't really see that there are enough shooters looking for a dedicated height-over-bore-offset-compensation-holdover for us to ever make one. I think the EOtech one is more coincidental than anything else. I've seen guys use various spots on the BDC ladder in ACSS reticles to get A-zone hits up close in competition, but again that's really coincidental and based on the height of their optic and just how things shake out for their exact setup. "At ten yards I use the 600 yard BDC hash mark and it lines up perfectly with the A zone for USPSA cardboard targets", that sort of thing. |
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
Ah yes, that makes sense. I think you're a sort of specialized use case. I don't really see that there are enough shooters looking for a dedicated height-over-bore-offset-compensation-holdover for us to ever make one. I think the EOtech one is more coincidental than anything else. I've seen guys use various spots on the BDC ladder in ACSS reticles to get A-zone hits up close in competition, but again that's really coincidental and based on the height of their optic and just how things shake out for their exact setup. "At ten yards I use the 600 yard BDC hash mark and it lines up perfectly with the A zone for USPSA cardboard targets", that sort of thing. However, the design is not coincidental. EOTech set up the reticle that way on purpose, markets it that way, and has done so for many years: http://www.eotechinc.com/holographic-weapons-technology/ballistic-reticle-information 
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30mm QD one-piece scope mounts like the ones you have now with the giant nuts on them (ha).
Especially in the extended forward mounting variety. |
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Originally Posted By tucansam:
30mm QD one-piece scope mounts like the ones you have now with the giant nuts on them (ha). Especially in the extended forward mounting variety. I will say, one thing that really surprised me was hearing that most of the QD mounts you see out there are patented or otherwise have their intellectual property protected, and it's really hard to come up with a NEW QD lever system that doesn't infringe on the existing ones and get you into trouble. We can't just clone a LaRue or American Defense type throw lever and slap it on our own mount and say "Yay look what we made, $49.99!" We have to get really creative with it. |
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Piggy back mounts for micros on the prism and higher powered scopes
30 mm acs or circle dot with AA or AAA battery and the advanced circuitry. some weapons/mount combos mount lower with a 30mm than a micro mount, especially non AR rifles. The same awesome stuff just tougher, more shock resistant, more water resistant, better battery life. |
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
The current center dot ACSS will be replaced by the Platinum version of the ACSS Raptor reticle this fall. It's called Raptor-M2 and looks like this: http://primaryarmsoptics.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/PA1-8X24FFP-ACSS-RAPTOR-M2.jpg |
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The Burris PEPR mount is totally GTG. I have three of them and they get the job done. Also have a PA’s Deluxe mount. Also gets it done. Leapers/UTG has recently come out with a really solid mount. I paid a hair under $60 for a FDE copy. Very impressed with it, nicely machined and looks good. Will be keeping an eye out for PA’s mount. Any idea on the time frame that we might see the first offering?
Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
Upgrading our mounts is a priority for the engineering department. I can't SHOW you guys anything yet but I've seen computer renderings that made me hop up and down with excitement. The Burris PEPR proves that you can have a decent quality mount that doesn't have to cost $150, and there's no reason we can't make a mount that beats the PEPR in quality. I will say, one thing that really surprised me was hearing that most of the QD mounts you see out there are patented or otherwise have their intellectual property protected, and it's really hard to come up with a NEW QD lever system that doesn't infringe on the existing ones and get you into trouble. We can't just clone a LaRue or American Defense type throw lever and slap it on our own mount and say "Yay look what we made, $49.99!" We have to get really creative with it. |
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After playing with the PA 1-8 Platinum, I personally think PA would benefit from making a premium scope that’s more compact and lighter. The current Platinum uses a 34mm tube, which, in a 1-6/8 is not really needed as shown by battle proven 30mm designs. It’s also extremely heavy at 26.5oz. It’s FOV also isn’t that impressive at 8 and it’s eyebox is very unforgiving at 8 as well. It’s not a bad design, but it could use refinement. That and offer it in a couple different colors and it would be even better. |
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Originally Posted By jimmyc2112:
Will be keeping an eye out for PA’s mount. Any idea on the time frame that we might see the first offering? |
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I have the Platinum Deka 6-30 It's good scope and it's a beast. I would love a 4.5x18 Platinum Deka mil ffp HD scope
right now you have no mid range HD scope offerings... the 1-8 is not that great for 500+ precision shooting and the 6-30 is a bit overkill until I get it out to 800yds plus. This would be an amazing, and you guys would crush the PRS market if it sold for around a 1000 bucks. Thanks for listening |
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Originally Posted By fdawg:
I have the Platinum Deka 6-30 It's good scope and it's a beast. I would love a 4.5x18 Platinum Deka mil ffp HD scope right now you have no mid range HD scope offerings... the 1-8 is not that great for 500+ precision shooting and the 6-30 is a bit overkill until I get it out to 800yds plus. This would be an amazing, and you guys would crush the PRS market if it sold for around a 1000 bucks. Thanks for listening |
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The glass on the 3-18x50 is NOT as good as the Platinum glass, but it is some of the best glass I've ever seen from a Chinese made optic. The 6-30x56 is a monster scope. It's big, it's heavy-- but it's clear, and it's built like a TANK. My Remington 700 needs one. |
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Oh man, that would be nice. "How to" videos have been on the to-do list for a long time. But with the uncertainty surrounding YouTube these days, we would want to host them ourselves or somewhere else, and we aren't technologically ready to make that happen yet. But in concept? Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas. |
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Good to hear it’s on the to do list!
Don’t need no stinking YouTube when there is SmugMug! I’ve been using their services since 2006 for my photography work. They also host video. And there is no worry about losing content, it’s all protected. Well worth checking out! Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
Oh man, that would be nice. "How to" videos have been on the to-do list for a long time. But with the uncertainty surrounding YouTube these days, we would want to host them ourselves or somewhere else, and we aren't technologically ready to make that happen yet. But in concept? Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas. |
| A sampling of video I have hosted on SmugMug. It’s a rare vid of the Russian Su-27 Demo Team I shot back in 1992 during Portland, Oregon’s Rose Festival. Aviation history was made that weekend. It’s also a good vid to demo SmuMug’s hosting capabilities. |
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You know its an old video when fly-by-wire is newer technology, and they're comparing the Su to the F14. And that's how you know I'm old too.
I agree, a couple of videos on how-to would be awesome, specifically using something that "closely matches" the designed reticle, ie, if your reticle is meant for a 16" 5.56 then you use a 20" to show the viewer he can still be minute-of-man accurate, etc. I just replaced a very heavy USO on my R700 308 with the 4-14 ACSS, hoping to get minute-of-deer accuracy this year, and I'm anxious to see how "off" the reticle is going to be with my hunting load. I use Strelok all the time, but plenty of guys don't, and I've seen you (Mike) reference it a lot in the forums. Putting out a video that shows how to use it with one of the ACSS reticles (say the Raptor since its generic) would be awesome, and would probably help sell some scopes. |
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Me too with that old thing! It was a fun air show. Blue Angels were also there. And they didn’t let the Su’s steal the show.
SmugMug is a solid host for video/still photography. With no worries about losing content. Hopefully with the suggestion, PA’s will be a little closer to a series of vid’s. Originally Posted By tucansam:
You know its an old video when fly-by-wire is newer technology, and they're comparing the Su to the F14. And that's how you know I'm old too. I agree, a couple of videos on how-to would be awesome, specifically using something that "closely matches" the designed reticle, ie, if your reticle is meant for a 16" 5.56 then you use a 20" to show the viewer he can still be minute-of-man accurate, etc. I just replaced a very heavy USO on my R700 308 with the 4-14 ACSS, hoping to get minute-of-deer accuracy this year, and I'm anxious to see how "off" the reticle is going to be with my hunting load. I use Strelok all the time, but plenty of guys don't, and I've seen you (Mike) reference it a lot in the forums. Putting out a video that shows how to use it with one of the ACSS reticles (say the Raptor since its generic) would be awesome, and would probably help sell some scopes. |
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We are looking to eventually host video ourselves, so we have complete control over it. Our website and web provider have the horsepower to do it, but we have to work on how it's gonna happen. But it's gonna happen. P.S. I'm so old that when I went to airshows as a kid the Blue Angels were flying these. 
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Dude, you're not that old. In 1971, I watched the Blue Angels fly F4J's in Japan.
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I can remember the A-4 and F-4 as a youngling in Chicago on the waterfront. I shot this in 1992 Blue Angels . Gotta show some love to the F-16
Looking forward to seeing the vids Mike! |
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Hey Mike! A few questions for you. Will the Apollo HUD Reticle be offered in .308? And, any possibility that it will show up in a 4-14X44mm 30mm Tube? Really like the reticle but, I’m probably one of the few not on the 6.5 Creedmoor wagon. I have the Gen I 5X ACSS. How much has changed in the Gen II 5X ACSS? It now has the Life Warranty which is cool. Anything else? Close to four years ago I snagged a couple of the 6X ACSS 1” tubes. Love the scope, Glass is amazingly clear and both are riding on rifles. Any discussion about another tube (1” or 30mm) in a fixed 6X, maybe even an 8X, with capped turrets? And lastly, will the Raptor reticle make it to a 5X or 6X optic? |
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Originally Posted By jimmyc2112:
Hey Mike! A few questions for you. Will the Apollo HUD Reticle be offered in .308? And, any possibility that it will show up in a 4-14X44mm 30mm Tube? Really like the reticle but, I’m probably one of the few not on the 6.5 Creedmoor wagon. I'm not aware of any plans to do the Apollo in anything aside from 6.5 CM. In the .308 our ACSS flag bearer is the HUD DMR, which looks crazy busy at first but is amazing in real life once you learn it. That reticle is like cheating, if you know how to use it. I have the Gen I 5X ACSS. How much has changed in the Gen II 5X ACSS? It now has the Life Warranty which is cool. Anything else? The internals are the same for both generations. Glass quality, reticle, red/green illumination, battery life, etc. The difference is, that top 1913 rail is user removable now via two little screws, and we added the spacer concept from the 7.62x39 3x to all of the Gen 2 prism scopes. So, for example, a guy running a 5.45x39 AK who wants to reach out to 600 yards or so, the new 5x is a great option for that guy, where it really wasn't an option at all before. The lifetime warranty change is really a result of the feedback we've gotten on the Gen 1 scopes, which is that they are super tough. Doesn't really hurt us much to put the lifetime warranty label on a product with almost no returns, right? I'm just divulging that so you don't think "Oh man the Gen 2 must be made tougher somehow." Nope, your Gen 1 is so tough, we put the lifetime warranty on Gen 2. Here's a computer rendering diagram we made of the 3x Gen II showing the new features. The new 5x has the same changes. But the guts inside are the same proven setup. 
Close to four years ago I snagged a couple of the 6X ACSS 1” tubes. Love the scope, Glass is amazingly clear and both are riding on rifles. Any discussion about another tube (1” or 30mm) in a fixed 6X, maybe even an 8X, with capped turrets? I wouldn't expect much more in 1" tubes. The 30mm tube just has too many advantages. More adjustment range for the erector, better light gathering, better eyebox. Almost everything we make is 30mm now except the Platinums which are even bigger at 34mm (and have noticeable advantages because of it). Personally I wouldn't be surprised to see every brands' premium LPVO scopes at 34mm / 35mm ten years from now. As far as fixed power scopes at higher magnifications, those are falling out of favor. The future is an 8x scope that is also almost as fast as a red dot, at 1x magnification, all in the same package. And lastly, will the Raptor reticle make it to a 5X or 6X optic? Raptor is in a 1-6x now, and speculation is that a 1-8x would make a lot of sense to try for a year from now or so. So, do you mean like a fixed power scope, like a really big 6x prism? No plans for such a critter that I know of. |
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| 3x Prism Scope with Chevron tip KISS reticle and decent eye relief! My Spitfire 3x was as bad as an ACOG in terms of nose on charging handle and I believe the PA Unit is nearly identical in terms of specifications (to the Spitfire). This hypothetical 3x Prism should have a integrated red dot at 12 o'clock; not rail attached but integrated. That would be bad-ass if they could run off the same CR123 and have a sleek, smooth housing. Like an ACOG and Deltapoint tried to teleport at the same time in the mid 80's. |
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Originally Posted By Annunaki:
3x Prism Scope with Chevron tip KISS reticle and decent eye relief! My Spitfire 3x was as bad as an ACOG in terms of nose on charging handle and I believe the PA Unit is nearly identical in terms of specifications (to the Spitfire). This hypothetical 3x Prism should have a integrated red dot at 12 o'clock; not rail attached but integrated. That would be bad-ass if they could run off the same CR123 and have a sleek, smooth housing. Like an ACOG and Deltapoint tried to teleport at the same time in the mid 80's. We just released our Gen II prism scopes. They are an evolutionary, not a revolutionary, change, the internals are the same. So the glass quality, reticles, eye relief etc. are unchanged. Same price as before, a few little tweaks and improvements, and we bumped them up to a Lifetime Warranty (prisms in general are super tough, that's one of their advantages over LPVO). HOWEVER, we have another prism scope project in the works that IS a revolutionary change. There is a lot of talk going around that the prism scope concept is is long in the tooth, that even the ACOG is outdated. Low power variable optics in the 1-6x or 1-8x range are the future. And, we do sell more LPVOs than prisms. But we think the prism scope design has some life left in it. It has some advantages and some disadvantages, but there is still definitely a valid use case for them, there are some pretty good reasons to own one. I cannot give details, at all. Don't expect to see this thing for another year or more. But I will let one thing slip... if you get a chance, look through a Sig Optics Bravo 4. They are probably the best non-ACOG prism scope on the market now. They really got the internals right. It's almost a shame that they made the scope body so futuristic, because it looks so Klingon Empire that it's almost hokey, buyers might think it's one of those janky cheapies that you see on Amazon and Ebay looking all "FutureScope1999", know what I mean? Anyway, look through one and you'll be amazed, the field of view is really incredible. They did a fantastic job with the Bravo 4, and I don't mind saying that because our prisms aren't really competing with it. Our 3x prisms are $260, the Bravo 4 is like $800. Try one out. Anyway... our goal with the next prism scope project is to beat the Bravo 4. And that's all I can say. |
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike: May your wish be granted... eventually. We just released our Gen II prism scopes. They are an evolutionary, not a revolutionary, change, the internals are the same. So the glass quality, reticles, eye relief etc. are unchanged. Same price as before, a few little tweaks and improvements, and we bumped them up to a Lifetime Warranty (prisms in general are super tough, that's one of their advantages over LPVO). HOWEVER, we have another prism scope project in the works that IS a revolutionary change. There is a lot of talk going around that the prism scope concept is is long in the tooth, that even the ACOG is outdated. Low power variable optics in the 1-6x or 1-8x range are the future. And, we do sell more LPVOs than prisms. But we think the prism scope design has some life left in it. It has some advantages and some disadvantages, but there is still definitely a valid use case for them, there are some pretty good reasons to own one. I cannot give details, at all. Don't expect to see this thing for another year or more. But I will let one thing slip... if you get a chance, look through a Sig Optics Bravo 4. They are probably the best non-ACOG prism scope on the market now. They really got the internals right. It's almost a shame that they made the scope body so futuristic, because it looks so Klingon Empire that it's almost hokey, buyers might think it's one of those janky cheapies that you see on Amazon and Ebay looking all "FutureScope1999", know what I mean? Anyway, look through one and you'll be amazed, the field of view is really incredible. They did a fantastic job with the Bravo 4, and I don't mind saying that because our prisms aren't really competing with it. Our 3x prisms are $260, the Bravo 4 is like $800. Try one out. Anyway... our goal with the next prism scope project is to beat the Bravo 4. And that's all I can say. |
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike: May your wish be granted... eventually. We just released our Gen II prism scopes. They are an evolutionary, not a revolutionary, change, the internals are the same. So the glass quality, reticles, eye relief etc. are unchanged. Same price as before, a few little tweaks and improvements, and we bumped them up to a Lifetime Warranty (prisms in general are super tough, that's one of their advantages over LPVO). HOWEVER, we have another prism scope project in the works that IS a revolutionary change. There is a lot of talk going around that the prism scope concept is is long in the tooth, that even the ACOG is outdated. Low power variable optics in the 1-6x or 1-8x range are the future. And, we do sell more LPVOs than prisms. But we think the prism scope design has some life left in it. It has some advantages and some disadvantages, but there is still definitely a valid use case for them, there are some pretty good reasons to own one. I cannot give details, at all. Don't expect to see this thing for another year or more. But I will let one thing slip... if you get a chance, look through a Sig Optics Bravo 4. They are probably the best non-ACOG prism scope on the market now. They really got the internals right. It's almost a shame that they made the scope body so futuristic, because it looks so Klingon Empire that it's almost hokey, buyers might think it's one of those janky cheapies that you see on Amazon and Ebay looking all "FutureScope1999", know what I mean? Anyway, look through one and you'll be amazed, the field of view is really incredible. They did a fantastic job with the Bravo 4, and I don't mind saying that because our prisms aren't really competing with it. Our 3x prisms are $260, the Bravo 4 is like $800. Try one out. Anyway... our goal with the next prism scope project is to beat the Bravo 4. And that's all I can say. |
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Originally Posted By Maverick52: I assume with that goal they will get a price increase to match? A "premium" version of sorts over the current offering? My guess is we're getting tired of people saying "Get the ________, it's worth the extra money compared to the Primary Arms" on forums. Time for US to be worth the extra money, right? |
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Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
I have no idea on pricing because it's just a drawing board project right now, but it stands to reason that a better product will cost us (and therefore our customers) more. My guess is we're getting tired of people saying "Get the ________, it's worth the extra money compared to the Primary Arms" on forums. Time for US to be worth the extra money, right? Originally Posted By PA_Mike:
Originally Posted By Maverick52: I assume with that goal they will get a price increase to match? A "premium" version of sorts over the current offering? My guess is we're getting tired of people saying "Get the ________, it's worth the extra money compared to the Primary Arms" on forums. Time for US to be worth the extra money, right? A lot of the reason PA got so popular among shooters was 90% of the quality at 50% of the cost. Having premium level optics is a definitely a good thing but IMO it would be bad to step away from the cheaper "common man" options you have now. The main reason I asked is because I plan to buy a 3x (or 5x, cant decide) and if one of the goals written on that drawing board was to match the competitions quality while keeping the cost near the current offering then I would be very excited. As it stands I'd love an ACOG but in reality I don't need one so the cost isn't justified. The only other prism scope close to yours is Vortex's and there is still a noticeable price difference and from reviews it would seem they are similar in quality. Edit: The main reason I got interested in this was the mention of a chevron KISS reticle. The horse shoe isn't appealing to me (which is one reason I would consider the Vortex over a PA) as it seems like its main ourpose is for gaming/HSLD style use, and IMO clutters the sight picture. No offense but if I'm doing that I'm spending the money on a higher quality optic. I want a prism on my AR as I feel they are better suited to the platform than a traditional tube scope & I'd like something that is simple to use & rugged whether hunting, at the range, or a personal defense scenario. |