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Originally Posted By bdp1174:
That would be a great thing for us first gen owners. View Quote TATBEME's just don't work. Seen it myself. In person. Large inhale. Resuming breath holding. |
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Originally Posted By rlltd42:
Awesome, glad to see this alive again. Is there an upgrade program? Specifically for the bolt and upper to fix the mag drag problem for us initial buyers of the gen 1? View Quote |
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I'd like to know how sturdy that bolt is. x39mm bolts are usually a weak link. Josiah, any destruction testing done on the bolts?
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Stumbled back into this thread and yes, please give us early adaptors an upgrade path.
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"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato
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At the very least sell the new generation bolts to help work with AK mags. My first GEN only works good with drum mags. Also, I believe the gas port is too small. Won't cycle a round after being fired but works great with my suppressor attached.
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This world would be a better place to live if it weren't for people!
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A path to upgrade to gen 2 upper & BCG would be ideal, but if we can get an upgraded bolt to try maybe that would solve the gen 1 mag drag
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I feel like the donkey being teased by the carrot on the stick while being whipped in the arse with PSA customer service being the man in the cart holding the pole and whip.
The screw mod fix worked on my KS47-hands down Further advice -If you are not a machinist then error on the screw being to low-you can then always trim it back with a file till the mag fits -Might be good to plan it this way to get the tightest magazine fit you can-Mine is very tight-maybe a .002" play up and down and it works. I can brace my magazine on the bench and shoot it just fine. I suspect the new upper finally took the customers advise and illegally appropriated this design fix as there own in there new design as their's and probably even pattened it! If they exchanged your wiggly magazine upper for the new one then maybe I would not have such puckered up britches over stealing another's design fix without compensation and commercializing it for their profit. -Do only one side-that's all you need to fix the issue. If you screw it up......thats a screw joke and the truth hardee har har!!!-I like to multi-task........then you can do the other side and think of the first one as practice. A hex wrench blued cap screw works best as then it looks like it is part of the original design. Though the smaller KS-47 form factor is attractive they have yet to fix the bolt issue of the lugs cracking from use, can't see how they can ever fix it as no one else, even those smarter than PSA (there are tons of those folks) have not figured out how to do this. Others have chosen the beefier AR-10 receiver so they can use the larger AR10 bolt and full size bolt lugs. I learned long ago with those DAEWOO's DR300's that tried to put a 7.62x39 into a 223 sized bolt face that it is not as simple as trimming the bolt face out more-that's another gun I have down to it's last spare bolt that I am afraid to shoot as this is a known breakage part that is impossible to replace-though I have a spare 556 bolt that I can get trimmed down if I do crack it. This trimming seriously weakens the lugs. Also it seems the KS47's bolts crack more than the AR47 bolts for whatever reason. This maybe a biased impression byhaving both, where my KS47 bolt cracked and my AR47 has not-but also on the number of internet stories per rifle owned (I read of two other KS47 cracked bolt stories). Theoretically they should be both experience the same stresses and fail at the same rate ...…except......if my KS47 lug that cracked was the trimmed the other way bottom one then I would have a technical basis on the KS47 bolt being worse than the AR47 lug cracking. Took forever to find another KS47 bolt, was about to trim a AR47 bolt myself before snagging one after nearly a year from PSA-came with a bolt carrier that I paid for and did not need.....Almost broke down and bought a complete kit just for the bolt. Unfortunately now with just the one good bolt I am afraid to fire it and break it. It sits next to my DR300. Maybe though its worth more in parts than as a firearm with all you folks out there wanting an upper or lower receiver as well. PSA customer service is invisible unless you are flashing wads of cash in front of their eye sockets wanting to buy buy buy! They pop their heads out occasionally on this thread with promises and promises to drum up rifle sales but then duck back into their nuclear bomb shelter. I like this form factor for a rifle but I cannot recommend it due to so many issues, problems with magazine insertion and bolt lugs cracking, not being able to get the proprietary replacement parts, and the extremely poor PSA customer service whose cue card #2 response to customers is to keep checking their website for when the parts are available...…..geeze I figured that possible solution out myself without the crappy wait wait wait response......I was hoping they would provide another solution I had not thought of. The PSA CS agent said they could not replace my bolt because they had none in stock event though they were selling complete kits. I asked them to take a bolt out of one of those kits. They said they would not because then they would be stuck with a parts kit without a bolt. Obviously it is much better to have a customer stuck with a broken rifle that will not shoot due to a lack of a bolt. All they said was keep on checking the website for when a new bolt would be available then to call them. They refused to give me an ETA. I am certain the customer service agent had no clue-was not trained on the KS47 issues-was not kept in the loop on parts availability, just typed out CUE cards that had standard answer replies on the back depending upon the question printed on the front. Most likely a super call center in California servicing several companies at once.....and......full of illegal immigrants hired by the contracted CS call center.....oooppps! ......I mean undocumented immigrants because Democrats do not believe in laws unless it helps impeach the president. I say it was just undocumented collusion since they can't seem to find any so it must be undocumented and therefore OK to do. GOOD LUCK ALL YOU KS47 OWNERS-AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS! |
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Well........................
On the plus side I ordered mine on 12/3.................... My order is still "Processing" Funny, they already took the money out of my account, lolololololololololol |
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I remember calling them in January and the girl there told me they wont be making any more parts for this platform.. I bugged them so often I wonder if they just tried to get rod of me? Weird. Now about this upgrade program??
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I love my ks47 gen2, but regret trying to stuff a franklin armory bfs gen3 in it before I tried the original trigger group. I made a day one video, a few comments on the trigger pin placement, and magazine catch spring
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I took my KS-47 to the range today for the first time. Bone stock, except I added a Holosun red dot sight. The firearm would not cycle. At all. It would fire the first round of a mag after I charged it by hand, but it would not cycle. Only once did it eject the spent case, but it was hung up on the mag. All other times it wouldn't even eject the case. It was VERY difficult to pull the charging handle back to eject it by hand. I tried numerous mags also - Romanian 30 rd steel, 20rd tanker mags (Bulgarian, I think), 30 rd Magpul mags. The firearm would not cycle with any of them.
ETA: This was also shooting while standing, unsupported. So no pressure on the front of the mag or anything. |
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Gen 2?
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How about a Gen 2 in a "pistol" configuration w/ brace, under 10" barrel, chambered in 9x39
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Left-handed and right-minded!
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I have a gen 1 KS 47 that has been a pretty good rifle so far. I got it primarily because I have a few AK rifles and lots of ammo and mags. I did the mag screw fix as well to keep my bolt from dragging on the mags. It runs well with most steel cased ammo and my reloads too. Its accurate as well. I dislike the parts availability for spares like was mentioned above. I have the 16 inch rifle and I cut the front post and put on a 15 inch guntec rail. I did add a T3 heavy buffer from spikes which helped with some early on cycling issues.
My question is has anyone tried running a rifle length stock setup to help with cycling? My gun ejects pretty well at about 12 to 1 usually as the fat cases hit the shell deflector pretty hard and they only go maybe 6 feet away at most. I have had a few problems with tula short stroking with the T3 buffer so I dont know if it's under powered or it could have been mag related as that was the only mag I had loaded with tula at the time of testing. I ran red army golden tiger brown bear Winchester white box hornady brass zombie stuff (ballistic tip) and some 150gr fmj reloads. So far I have almost 1K thru the gun and bolt lugs look ok still. I will probably just buy a couple x39 bolts as they are the exact same as my gen 1. Also for the mag issues once you add the screw to keep mags from moving up into the bolt path I have not had any bolt contact on steel mags and just a tiny hairline mark on steel reinforced pmags. Tapco mags wont lock in my gun but I may sand a few and try. Tapco mags have ran great for my range use where I dont wanna use my good mags. Hopefully my post helps people out and if you do have problems cycling try another buffer weight or a rifle stock setup or worst case pull the gasblock and drill the gas hole slightly bigger if your gun short strokes. |
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Originally Posted By WrenchGuy: The CS department needs to hang out with the guys at Primary Arms and learn from them, just sayin’. View Quote I won't be able to take it to the range for another week or two to see if PSA successfully fixed the cycling issues I had. |
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Anyone compare a Gen 1 to a Gen 2 side by side then with calipers?
I am curious what the difference is besides the STOLEN by PSA from customers modification on at tab to prevent over insertion of magazine. If there are other differences I might want to Steal the changes and put them on my rifle......but if its on a PSA Gen 1 is it really stolen? |
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Anyone know when more stripped ks47 lowers will be available from PSA?
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Just providing an update - I received my Gen 2 pistol back from PSA a few weeks ago. I sent it back because it would not cycle at all, and would even have trouble chambering the first round occasionally.
I received no indication of what PSA changed to the firearm. I took it to the range today for the first time since getting it back and I'm stoked. It ran 100%. I shot only a mixture of Wolf and Tula steel cased ammo, and used a variety of mags: Magpul polymer, Romanian and Bulgarian 30rd mags, as well as 20rd tanker mags. All worked 100%. I had the WeaponTech BHO followers in each of the steel mags, and the bolt reliably held back each time. Now that it cycles, this is a fantastic hard hitting small 'pistol'. I'm stoked. |
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Thats great! It really is to bad they don't include repair notes. Did they notify you it shipped or did it just show up randomly?
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Just ordered the 16” upper with lightweight 13.5” handguard. No lowers in stock. Has anyone tried the ks47 upper on a standard ar15 lower? I ordered a 30rnd c products magazine, can’t think of any reason it wouldn’t work.
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Originally Posted By JerDerv:
Just ordered the 16” upper with lightweight 13.5” handguard. No lowers in stock. Has anyone tried the ks47 upper on a standard ar15 lower? I ordered a 30rnd c products magazine, can’t think of any reason it wouldn’t work. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By JerDerv:
Just ordered the 16” upper with lightweight 13.5” handguard. No lowers in stock. Has anyone tried the ks47 upper on a standard ar15 lower? I ordered a 30rnd c products magazine, can’t think of any reason it wouldn’t work. View Quote PSA KS47 upper description I assume the new mag over insertion tabs will not allow an AR15 mag to seat all the way? |
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Probably that, or they are concerned with the platform not cycling reliably with various ar47 mags, recoil springs, and buffers.
Welp I’ll let you guys know either way. Side note, what a tease, the lower was on the daily deal email. I got all excited, but when I went to buy it, it was out of stock on the website. I’m signed up for notifications as well but received none. |
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Stuff like that goes out of stock so fast. Its like they make 10 or so and list them.
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Josiah,
Does PSA have any plans on releasing a sub 10" pistol length upper for the KS47? Maybe even with a flash can in the hand guard? |
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Has anyone heard back from @PalmettoStateArmory about swapping out their first gen upper for the second gen upper?
At this point I’m tempted to buy a whole new upper and swap them myself. |
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"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato
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Originally Posted By TATBME:
Has anyone heard back from @PalmettoStateArmory about swapping out their first gen upper for the second gen upper? View Quote |
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well... The upper that i ordered on Monday still just says processing. I signed up to be notified when any of the KS47 lowers come back in stock. I did not receive any emails again but i have been watching the website like a hawk and the MOE and SBA3 lowers came into stock! Got one of the SBA3 lowers on order!
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I read the specs on the KS-47 Gen2 lower; I have a Gen 1 lower that is SBR'd so I am married to it; Can I add the PA-10 buffer spring and H1 buffer to bring it up to Gen 2 performance?
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My dreams are not as empty as my conscience seems to be.
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Originally Posted By 14point5:
I read the specs on the KS-47 Gen2 lower; I have a Gen 1 lower that is SBR'd so I am married to it; Can I add the PA-10 buffer spring and H1 buffer to bring it up to Gen 2 performance? View Quote |
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Got my upper and lower! These are my initial observations and i will provide an update after a few hundred rounds.
The buffer tube is a standard carbine tube. They just use a stiffer spring. The EPT trigger is nice, removing it, reinstalling it, cocking it by hand, the hammer spring feels like an extra power spring to ensure reliable primer ignition. The safety and takedown pivot pins are standard and what you would expect. The lower stripped down to just the mag catch and the 2 other magazine locating pins is 8.8oz. A standard milspec ar15 lower is 8.4oz and a steel milspec mag catch is about .4oz so their you have it, the lower weight is nearly identical to that of a standard 5.56 lower with a steel mag catch. Magpul gen2 mags fit very snug, steel reinforced Magpul M3 mags fit extremely snug and took a few times in and out of the lower to actually latch. Tapco slab sides dont really fit unless you force it into the lower (would not recommend). Bulgarian polymer 40 rounder fits great and a new production Asian metal mag fits perfect. The bolt and bolt carrier have sufficient clearance and do not touch the magazines. The upper has the magazine over insertion tabs that do indeed prevent you from using a standard lower with a CPD mag. The upper to lower fitment is tight, i noticed they accomplished this by leaving two small protrusions on either side of the upper that contact the lower and put a good amount of tension on the pins. Grasping the upper and squeezing it onto the lower is really the only way to get the take down pin in and out. Clever idea PSA! Without much lubrication on the upper out of the box charging the rifle proved to be stiff gritty and felt like it was binding up. I lubricated the charging handle and BCG bearing surfaces and it made a world of difference. The AR10 spring they use in the lower is pretty darn stiff. Stiff enough to reliably chamber rounds out of a magazine while riding the charging handle home. Im making an assumption here because i have yet to shoot the rifle but it seems fairly over kill and i personally will be running a strike industries flat wire .308 spring that i will trim down to get the spring rate just how i want it. The handguard cutouts do not have chamfers leaving a lot of hard 90 degree edges, took me by surprise when handling it for the first time. My wife hates it, i can certainly work with it but would prefer a more finished product. The 13.5" rail weighs 8.5oz with hardware. I did not pull the barrel nut because i want to shoot the upper first but i did stick a magnet to the barrel nut and it is steel. Im curious how much the barrel nut weighs. The Barrel.... the barrel is heavy. Im not a fan of heavy cuts or heavy rifles. The barrel is carbine length gas and a 3/32nd drill bit fits the gas port with just a little extra clearance. I read some reviews on PSA's website that mentioned the gas block hardware was loose, mine was not. |
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If anyone wants to get rid of their old KS47 lower (any gen) I’m looking for one for a special non combloc project
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I'm pleased to report that via Josiah I was able to get my gen 1 uppers retrofitted to the gen 2 version with the anti-overinsertion tabs. Turn around time was 2 weeks.
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Originally Posted By rlltd42:
Through PSA, Josiah is the man behind the PSA account here at ARF. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By manywits:
If you plan on paying for it, why not just buy a stripped Gen 2 upper from PSA now? They show in stock as well as the KS47 BCG. Just sayin! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By bow42:
Because I've built mine how I like it and don't care to go through the process of stripping this one down and selling the receiver just to buy and build another one. Mine works fine as a range gun but an upgrade can't hurt! View Quote |
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Originally Posted By bow42:
When you say modified, do you mean it has to be modified to use the AR47 lower? View Quote My use of modified was in reference to my G1 KS47 that has some personal mods for added reliability. |
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I am looking at getting one of the 8.5" uppers with the pistol gas system. Have there been any cycling or reliability problems with it?
I would be just as happy with the 10.5 with the carbine gas system. Anyone have an opinion on which would be better (other than obvious velocity differences)? |
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Originally Posted By pkk:
I am looking at getting one of the 8.5" uppers with the pistol gas system. Have there been any cycling or reliability problems with it? I would be just as happy with the 10.5 with the carbine gas system. Anyone have an opinion on which would be better (other than obvious velocity differences)? View Quote |
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