Posted: 10/24/2011 2:34:51 AM EDT
| Does PSA test fire every upper before it leaves? thanks |
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Serious question because I don't know the answer.
I have no dog in this fight (short gas tubes on PSA uppers as I own no PSA weapons/uppers) but do other similar companies (BCM for example) test fire their uppers? I own several BCM uppers and they have served me very well and I don't remember any of them looking like they have been test fired. (admittedly I didn't check) I ordered at least one upper without a BCG so I don't see how that would could have been test fired at all. Just wondering..... |
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Serious question because I don't know the answer. I have no dog in this fight (short gas tubes on PSA uppers as I own no PSA weapons/uppers) but do other similar companies (BCM for example) test fire their uppers? I own several BCM uppers and they have served me very well and I don't remember any of them looking like they have been test fired. (admittedly I didn't check) I ordered at least one upper without a BCG so I don't see how that would could have been test fired at all. Just wondering..... I know for sure spikes and lmt test fire, id like to know if psa does as well |
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Serious question because I don't know the answer. I have no dog in this fight (short gas tubes on PSA uppers as I own no PSA weapons/uppers) but do other similar companies (BCM for example) test fire their uppers? I own several BCM uppers and they have served me very well and I don't remember any of them looking like they have been test fired. (admittedly I didn't check) I ordered at least one upper without a BCG so I don't see how that would could have been test fired at all. Just wondering..... I know that Larue, BCM, and Spikes test fire all their uppers. |
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Serious question because I don't know the answer. I have no dog in this fight (short gas tubes on PSA uppers as I own no PSA weapons/uppers) but do other similar companies (BCM for example) test fire their uppers? I own several BCM uppers and they have served me very well and I don't remember any of them looking like they have been test fired. (admittedly I didn't check) I ordered at least one upper without a BCG so I don't see how that would could have been test fired at all. Just wondering..... I know that Larue, BCM, and Spikes test fire all their uppers. Good to know guys....thanks!!! |
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The question is if test firing is common practice or not. One would assume not after what has been going on, but maybe they "slipped through".
It bothers me if they do not/have not on a regular basis. The pressure that goes through the barrel is enough to kill someone without even getting hit with a bullet. I prefer a company to be the guinea pig for their own products, not the customer. So which is it? Do you test fire them all? Have you always? What will change now? I am sure some people will see this as bashing, but I am not. I have preferred PSA over Spikes and others up to now. As another has stated, you haven't lost a customer yet, but... |
| We currently batch test the upper receivers. We are in the process of having our new test fire chamber built to allow us to test fire each unit. The new chamber should be ready within the next few weeks. Due to the recent incident we will test fire each unit at an off site location until the new test fire chamber is complete to ensure that all units are test fired. |
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We currently batch test the upper receivers. We are in the process of having our new test fire chamber built to allow us to test fire each unit. The new chamber should be ready within the next few weeks. Due to the recent incident we will test fire each unit at an off site location until the new test fire chamber is complete to ensure that all units are test fired. This last sentence will keep me as a PSA customer. A known problem / issue, no BS excuses about it and a solution to the problem. Basically man up, and this is what PSA is doing. Can't ask for more than that. 
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We currently batch test the upper receivers. We are in the process of having our new test fire chamber built to allow us to test fire each unit. The new chamber should be ready within the next few weeks. Due to the recent incident we will test fire each unit at an off site location until the new test fire chamber is complete to ensure that all units are test fired. This last sentence will keep me as a PSA customer. A known problem / issue, no BS excuses about it and a solution to the problem. Basically man up, and this is what PSA is doing. Can't ask for more than that. IDK, there have been way to many issue lately. |
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We currently batch test the upper receivers. We are in the process of having our new test fire chamber built to allow us to test fire each unit. The new chamber should be ready within the next few weeks. Due to the recent incident we will test fire each unit at an off site location until the new test fire chamber is complete to ensure that all units are test fired. This last sentence will keep me as a PSA customer. A known problem / issue, no BS excuses about it and a solution to the problem. Basically man up, and this is what PSA is doing. Can't ask for more than that. IDK, there have been way to many issue lately. Can't disagree with you on that. Does seem like growing pains though. I'm sure PSA could never have anticipated the overwelming acceptance of their companys products. We've all seen the tingly feeling forum members get every time PSA offers a new upper or has another lower sale. Lets face it, everytime we ask for a new build from PSA, they do seem to come through. Yeah their low prices are keeping some of the other manufacturers in line as far as prices go, (not neccessarily a bad thing) along with the ire and snide remarks from their competetion. Growing a company is not easy and surely not at a pace that PSA seems to be encountering. This is not intended to make excuses for the QC issues that are popping up but more of possible reason behind the problems. Lets see how PSA handles this situation, it's obvious they know the community is watching. I for one will still be doing business with PSA. 
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How about headspacing? Is this checked on each and every assembled upper? Ok so we know now that they all are not testfired and I agree I would like to know also if they have been properly headspaced. I have a few PSA uppers that may not be shot for years to come when I finally find a place to let me shoot them so I hope they have at least been headspaced. I specifically bought pre-assembled uppers for this very reason because I knew I may never get to shoot them and I wanted to know the worked if I needed them in an emergency. Or else I would have assembled the whole rifle myself for fun. I can't remember if the 2 I bought mentioned if they had been headspaced or not in the specs. It is just with the apparrent "percieved" lack of quality (depending on actual sales rate they could have a 99.999% rate of success for all I know) I am just worried I am not going to find out I have an issue until it is too late. I have no doubts though if I did have an issue that PSA would make it right, assuming I/they am still around. |
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How about headspacing? Is this checked on each and every assembled upper? Every upper (that comes with a bolt) is inspected for proper headspacing during assembly. Hammerforged are headspaced at the factory, and during assembly. Thank you. So if i buy a non HF upper without the bcg & ch ( and i have) has it not ever been inspected for headspace? |
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How about headspacing? Is this checked on each and every assembled upper? Every upper (that comes with a bolt) is inspected for proper headspacing during assembly. Hammerforged are headspaced at the factory, and during assembly. Thank you. So if i buy a non HF upper without the bcg & ch ( and i have) has it not ever been inspected for headspace? While i love my PSA products and will continue to be a customer im not very satisfied with the lawyer like anwsers to some questions. People should be told exactly what they're getting and spending thier money on. Example above question and another would be are the wilson barrels mp tested gets the skip around answers. If they aren't then please just be honest and say they aren't., Thank you. Other then that the service and products that PSA provided for me to date has been outstanding. |
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We currently batch test the upper receivers. We are in the process of having our new test fire chamber built to allow us to test fire each unit. The new chamber should be ready within the next few weeks. Due to the recent incident we will test fire each unit at an off site location until the new test fire chamber is complete to ensure that all units are test fired. This last sentence will keep me as a PSA customer. A known problem / issue, no BS excuses about it and a solution to the problem. Basically man up, and this is what PSA is doing. Can't ask for more than that. IDK, there have been way to many issue lately. Can't disagree with you on that. Does seem like growing pains though. I'm sure PSA could never have anticipated the overwelming acceptance of their companys products. We've all seen the tingly feeling forum members get every time PSA offers a new upper or has another lower sale. Lets face it, everytime we ask for a new build from PSA, they do seem to come through. Yeah their low prices are keeping some of the other manufacturers in line as far as prices go, (not neccessarily a bad thing) along with the ire and snide remarks from their competetion. Growing a company is not easy and surely not at a pace that PSA seems to be encountering. This is not intended to make excuses for the QC issues that are popping up but more of possible reason behind the problems. Lets see how PSA handles this situation, it's obvious they know the community is watching. I for one will still be doing business with PSA.
+1^ I said this a few months ago. With the high demand for rifles/uppers in this price range, due to our struggling economy. People want to buy these rifles due to the exorbitant prices that some manufacturers charge. If PSA can produce a quality product at these bargain prices then it will be the king. New companies like PSA Will have growing pains, it looks as if they are rectifying these problems. Only time will tell. If by this time next year there are no problems then One could say that PSA will have a leg up on the competition. So those of you who have PSA rifles/uppers shoot those things, take them to carbine classes and post reports. That's the only way we will know if these things can stand up on their own two legs. |
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Oh and btw 100 or 1000 rounds that are flawless is not a true test....that is all. Run those mofo's hard! Tell ya what, I'll happily shoot every round you buy for me, till then I will have to consider several hundred rounds a good test when I finish mine up, with two kids and another on the way I just don't have the discretionary money (or time but that's another story) to shoot 500+ rounds a month. Btw if you want to take me up on the offer I will gladly pm you my mailing address, cash or money orders only please 
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While i love my PSA products and will continue to be a customer im not very satisfied with the lawyer like anwsers to some questions. . Thank you for your patronage. I think we have a misunderstanding of terms. Head space is a measurement of bolt and chamber together. It is irrelevant if our bolt passes headspace testing on an upper if you are not going to use that particular bolt. We cannot be responsible for parts which we do not provide. We made it very clear that the chambers are checked for tolerance on all of the barrels. The extensiveness of that testing varies between manufacturers. Without the actual bolt the customer chooses to use, all we can guarantee is that the chamber is within spec. If a customer is building a rifle from parts, it remains the customer's responsibility to ensure the parts the customer assembles are within tolerances. When you match a bolt to a barrel, headspace is one of those tolerances. We try to make building these rifles easy and fun. However, some things cannot be skipped. If a customer does not have the ability to check headspace, that customer needs to buy an upper with a matching bolt. |
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While i love my PSA products and will continue to be a customer im not very satisfied with the lawyer like anwsers to some questions. . Thank you for your patronage. I think we have a misunderstanding of terms. Head space is a measurement of bolt and chamber together. It is irrelevant if our bolt passes headspace testing on an upper if you are not going to use that particular bolt. We cannot be responsible for parts which we do not provide. We made it very clear that the chambers are checked for tolerance on all of the barrels. The extensiveness of that testing varies between manufacturers. Without the actual bolt the customer chooses to use, all we can guarantee is that the chamber is within spec. If a customer is building a rifle from parts, it remains the customer's responsibility to ensure the parts the customer assembles are within tolerances. When you match a bolt to a barrel, headspace is one of those tolerances. We try to make building these rifles easy and fun. However, some things cannot be skipped. If a customer does not have the ability to check headspace, that customer needs to buy an upper with a matching bolt. –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– Understood and thanks for the clearer and precise answer to my question. I bought one of your uppers w/o bcg. Few weeks later i bought one of your bcg's for this upper. Been to the range twice with it, no problems ran fine. But now i understand parting together this way it's up to the customer to make sure the tolerances are acceptable. |