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Now I need to find an AR15A4 marked colt lower for the collection I'm kind of shocked that "carbine" is standardized across all of the colt models. that's lame. |
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Isn’t this the only rifle on their catalog? I hope they can replace the carbine name easily now that the markings are engraved.. |
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I’d be fine if they just moved it into the collector series and engraved it with m16a4 and shipped it with a RAS.
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So what's the quality like on these "Carbine" marked AR15A4's? Still the military grade M16 upper with FA BCG? Or are they cheeping out on them?
I really want a AR15A4 stamped gun, but finding one for a decent price seems impossible now. |
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Quoted: So what's the quality like on these "Carbine" marked AR15A4's? Still the military grade M16 upper with FA BCG? Or are they cheeping out on them? I really want a AR15A4 stamped gun, but finding one for a decent price seems impossible now. View Quote I haven’t seen one in person but I will bet they are good to go. |
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I called into Colt this week, and spoke to some gentleman. He said that they are going to be taking a little break from producing the 6700A4s but will resume production later this year. He said that these rifles will not be marked as Carbine like the 6920s as they are NOT carbines so wouldn't make sense.
I pointed out to him that some of the newly listed 6700s on gun broker have that roll mark. He said that if they do, it was just done quickly to expedite production and get some out, but that is not how they are intended to be produced as they are rifles and not carbines. He also said that Colt still makes their own barrels and BCGs in house even though they sometimes subcontract some parts out to help meet demands. Said it wouldn't make sense to scrap that equipment when they already have it. When they do subcontract things out, it is to their specs and has to be equal or better quality. |
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Quoted: I called into Colt this week, and spoke to some gentleman. He said that they are going to be taking a little break from producing the 6700A4s but will resume production later this year. He said that these rifles will not be marked as Carbine like the 6920s as they are NOT carbines so wouldn't make sense. I pointed out to him that some of the newly listed 6700s on gun broker have that roll mark. He said that if they do, it was just done quickly to expedite production and get some out, but that is not how they are intended to be produced as they are rifles and not carbines. He also said that Colt still makes their own barrels and BCGs in house even though they sometimes subcontract some parts out to help meet demands. Said it wouldn't make sense to scrap that equipment when they already have it. When they do subcontract things out, it is to their specs and has to be equal or better quality. View Quote With that in mind I'll be very interested to see what the markings are on the next batch. |
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Anyone who wants to can call into Colt and just talk to them. I did. I like to go to the horses mouth when I have a question vs. listening to internet rumors and speculation.
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Quoted: I called into Colt this week, and spoke to some gentleman. He said that they are going to be taking a little break from producing the 6700A4s but will resume production later this year. He said that these rifles will not be marked as Carbine like the 6920s as they are NOT carbines so wouldn't make sense. I pointed out to him that some of the newly listed 6700s on gun broker have that roll mark. He said that if they do, it was just done quickly to expedite production and get some out, but that is not how they are intended to be produced as they are rifles and not carbines. He also said that Colt still makes their own barrels and BCGs in house even though they sometimes subcontract some parts out to help meet demands. Said it wouldn't make sense to scrap that equipment when they already have it. When they do subcontract things out, it is to their specs and has to be equal or better quality. View Quote I certainly don't doubt what he said, but it makes ZERO sense. With the impending ban on assault style weapons in place with the Biden administration, to pause right now would be crazy. Prices are through the roof on Colt AR's. And demand for the full size 20" is greater than it's been in 20+ years. I think everyone has a carbine already and now wants to fill that space with a 20" A4 Colt. Also, on a side note, this means that the "Carbine" marked guns will indeed be a small run for collectors. |
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Just wanted to add, I watched two auctions close on "AR15A4" stamped guns for $2200 plus CC fees, taxes, and shipping. Absolutely nutty.
Just my humble opinion, but I think the 20" Colt excitement will level off some. MT6601's going for $2K? When I sold mine I couldn't give it away for $800... different times, I know, but when you have no bayo lug or those crappy pinned breaks, larger takedown pins, half-shaved Bolt Carriers, etc., you have to ask yourself what you really want in your collection. The new AR15A4's with true M16 BCG's and bayo lug/A2 flash hider are pretty damn sweet.. and you can get new ones for $1200-1300 still. Now I know that the correct answer is "one of each" in my collection, but not when they are taking $2K+ for the older ones.. I'll save my money for Daniel Defense AR's or even something HK. |
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Quoted: I certainly don't doubt what he said, but it makes ZERO sense. With the impending ban on assault style weapons in place with the Biden administration, to pause right now would be crazy. Prices are through the roof on Colt AR's. And demand for the full size 20" is greater than it's been in 20+ years. I think everyone has a carbine already and now wants to fill that space with a 20" A4 Colt. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: I certainly don't doubt what he said, but it makes ZERO sense. With the impending ban on assault style weapons in place with the Biden administration, to pause right now would be crazy. Prices are through the roof on Colt AR's. And demand for the full size 20" is greater than it's been in 20+ years. I think everyone has a carbine already and now wants to fill that space with a 20" A4 Colt. Afaik Colt has always made guns in batch so it’s normal for them to stop some productions. Also their main focus is always on mil/leo contracts.. the civilian market can wait Also, on a side note, this means that the "Carbine" marked guns will indeed be a small run for collectors. I’m not sure.. Hard to prove one belongs to those early samples.. could be a frankencolt. |
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Quoted: Afaik Colt has always made guns in batch so it’s normal for them to stop some productions. View Quote This. All the 20” Ar15a4s were in batches, same with the 9mm guns. I do wonder if a batch of them will be coming? As far as collectibility on the “carbine” lowered rifles, there may be some but the way I see it most collectors don’t want them now. I don’t see that changing a whole lot especially if a different rollmarked lower comes out. |
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Quoted: I called into Colt this week, and spoke to some gentleman. He also said that Colt still makes their own barrels and BCGs in house even though they sometimes subcontract some parts out to help meet demands. Said it wouldn't make sense to scrap that equipment when they already have it. When they do subcontract things out, it is to their specs and has to be equal or better quality. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: I called into Colt this week, and spoke to some gentleman. He also said that Colt still makes their own barrels and BCGs in house even though they sometimes subcontract some parts out to help meet demands. Said it wouldn't make sense to scrap that equipment when they already have it. When they do subcontract things out, it is to their specs and has to be equal or better quality. I'm still unclear as how you got this^^^^ from this: Quoted: The guy I talked to said something to the effect of, "...they (CZ) bought a fully functioning gun company. We are still producing rifles, as we always have. Our first priority is fulfilling our military and LEO contracts and demand from them for rifles has skyrocketed in the past year." As I stated in the other thread, that's a broad, canned response left wide open to interpretation. As to Colt "taking a break" to focus on LE/.MIL sales, that's no secret either. /our warfighters and law enforcement personnel continue to demand Colt rifles and we are fortunate enough to have been awarded significant military and law enforcement contracts. Currently, these high-volume contracts are absorbing all of Colt’s manufacturing capacity for rifles. (Dennis Veilleux, President and Chief Executive Officer) COLT NEWS LINK |
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That was just one quote from our conversation. Feel free to call in yourself if you'd like.
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I handled one of the CR6700A4s today. It was at a big box store, and they were helping others customers as well. So I couldn't break it down and pull the BCG. I've handled both an older A2 stock/handguard on a (CHP dissy) as well as a circa 2017 A4. Now granted...I didn't have those in front of me to compare at that very moment, but the buttstock and handguard on the CR6700A4 felt cheap. My go to for A2 builds is typically the Rock River stock kit, and the one on this Colt felt inferior. The handguard looked closer to that of a PSA version than what I've seen on Colt in the past. Definitely had the carbine laser etched mark, and the upper/lower receiver fit on this one was pretty sloppy. Just my two cents/one man's data point.
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Quoted: Ha, ha. That valid source seems to be pulling your leg and yanking your chain - hard. CR don't mean jack. It's just a serial number prefix. Brownells sold a ton of CR prefix stripped lowers. They weren't rifles. Just like the LE serial prefix didn't mean jack. The last run of Colt AR15A4's the serial number prefix is CAR. axio View Quote I thought the L prefix meant that the lower was made by LMT or LAR, I forget which. |
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Quoted: I handled one of the CR6700A4s today. It was at a big box store, and they were helping others customers as well. So I couldn't break it down and pull the BCG. I've handled both an older A2 stock/handguard on a (CHP dissy) as well as a circa 2017 A4. Now granted...I didn't have those in front of me to compare at that very moment, but the buttstock and handguard on the CR6700A4 felt cheap. My go to for A2 builds is typically the Rock River stock kit, and the one on this Colt felt inferior. The handguard looked closer to that of a PSA version than what I've seen on Colt in the past. Definitely had the carbine laser etched mark, and the upper/lower receiver fit on this one was pretty sloppy. Just my two cents/one man's data point. View Quote Interesting, observations... Though it makes me wonder why Colt would still be selling the good quality A2/A4 buttstocks and handguards through Brownells if they were slapping crap on their complete rifles??? |
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So should I buy a PSA premium premium A4 upper that has a chrome, cold Hammer forged barrel, upper receiver is phosphate same with the BCG. Get a PSA stealth lower, rra lpk and stock set?? I wanna a colt, my collector side of me is kicking in but with these times of political uncertainty and Colt wanting $1300 for a rifle that is marked "carbine" and majority of the rifle made with subcontract parts. What do you guys think?
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Quoted: So should I buy a PSA premium premium A4 upper that has a chrome, cold Hammer forged barrel, upper receiver is phosphate same with the BCG. Get a PSA stealth lower, rra lpk and stock set?? I wanna a colt, my collector side of me is kicking in but with these times of political uncertainty and Colt wanting $1300 for a rifle that is marked "carbine" and majority of the rifle made with subcontract parts. What do you guys think? View Quote As to the rollmark, yeah I wouldn't buy a "carbine" rollmarked rifle. That's just dumb. I suffer from some obsessive compulsive tendencies and that would bother me. As for PSA, I can't disparage them. They're local to me and I've been to their factories on more than one occasion, and they are putting out good products at good prices. The FN CHF barrels are nice. Their small parts are hit or miss right now due to the demand. In the past I've received Schmid beefy selectors and only Schmid FCGs in their LPKs. Sometimes Schmid bolt catches, too. I ordered a couple of classic rifle kits last week and received unmarked bolt catches, unmarked selectors and unmarked FCGs. BUUUUUUUT I received two P&S CAGE code waffle stocks so fuck me, right? Winning. I went to my local PSA store a while back and fished through the small parts bins and loaded up on Schmid bolt catches, disconnectors and selectors. I can always get Schmid FCGs in their store, the question is whether the disconnector in the bag is "s" marked or not so I bought every one they had left in the disconnector bin. If you decide to buy the premium upper, buy the premium HPT/MPI BCG to go with it. Buy the M16A4 marked lower and stay away from RRA LPKs. You are worried about subcontracted parts, but do you think RRA makes ANYTHING in their LPK? They do not. This is the LPK to buy if you go that route, and the EPT trigger guarantees you will at least get a Schmid FCG. Schmid beefy selectors can be purchased on Brownells or ar15discounts.com for $10. If you need a Schmid bolt catch I can grab one at PSA and mail it to you for cost. https://palmettostatearmory.com/palmetto-state-armory-a2-ept-rifle-lower-build-kit-516445142.html |
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I handled a new 20" AR15A4 marked Colt "CARBINE" today at my local gun shop. They advised that it had just come in and was new production.
I can honestly say that I don't feel this "Carbine" marked gun (at least the one I looked at) seemed of lower quality! It was very well built and I went through the gun internals and everything is of real Colt quality from what I can tell. This appears to be a real Colt upper with M16 BCG, M4 feed ramps, Staked BC, MP bolt, "C" marked carrier, proper mil-spec M16 barrel, and everything else I have on my 2016 Colt AR15A4 model. Just a confusing looking stamp on the lower lol. I disagree on the handguards... they are the same as on my older AR15A4 IMO. I will say that the Carbine stamp is somewhat ridiculous looking on this rifle, but other than that, there's no reduction in quality on the 20" gun (at least the one I looked at, I did not note the serial # however). Hell, I may still go buy it as I can get it for $1220 with my membership at this particular shop. I sure hope Colt returns to the AR15A4 stamp and stops stamping guns like idiots. What's next, just stamp the lowers "GUN" and use them on everything? |
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Quoted: I sure hope Colt returns to the AR15A4 stamp and stops stamping guns like idiots. What's next, just stamp the lowers "GUN" and use them on everything? View Quote I highly doubt we will see “ar15” marked on a lower again from Colt. I would take a “GUN” marked lower on a 20” rifle any day over the “CARBINE”. |
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Quoted: I handled a new 20" AR15A4 marked Colt "CARBINE" today at my local gun shop. They advised that it had just come in and was new production. I can honestly say that I don't feel this "Carbine" marked gun (at least the one I looked at) seemed of lower quality! It was very well built and I went through the gun internals and everything is of real Colt quality from what I can tell. This appears to be a real Colt upper with M16 BCG, M4 feed ramps, Staked BC, MP bolt, "C" marked carrier, proper mil-spec M16 barrel, and everything else I have on my 2016 Colt AR15A4 model. Just a confusing looking stamp on the lower lol. I disagree on the handguards... they are the same as on my older AR15A4 IMO. I will say that the Carbine stamp is somewhat ridiculous looking on this rifle, but other than that, there's no reduction in quality on the 20" gun (at least the one I looked at, I did not note the serial # however). Hell, I may still go buy it as I can get it for $1220 with my membership at this particular shop. I sure hope Colt returns to the AR15A4 stamp and stops stamping guns like idiots. What's next, just stamp the lowers "GUN" and use them on everything? View Quote I just bought a CR 6700 today and agree wholeheartedly with the above analysis. First class Colt quality Which is the equal to any court I have on, whether from the 70s 80s early 2000s or now this one. Furniture is standard and certainly appears to be milspec A2, Cage code marked upper, C MP Chrome Bore 1x7 Carol, see Mark bolt carrier, MP bolt with white paint a dart, unmarked charging handle, will double check on other markings and post pictures tomorrow. No regrets even with the "Carbine" marked lower. |
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Quoted: I handled a new 20" AR15A4 marked Colt "CARBINE" today at my local gun shop. They advised that it had just come in and was new production. I can honestly say that I don't feel this "Carbine" marked gun (at least the one I looked at) seemed of lower quality! It was very well built and I went through the gun internals and everything is of real Colt quality from what I can tell. This appears to be a real Colt upper with M16 BCG, M4 feed ramps, Staked BC, MP bolt, "C" marked carrier, proper mil-spec M16 barrel, and everything else I have on my 2016 Colt AR15A4 model. Just a confusing looking stamp on the lower lol. I disagree on the handguards... they are the same as on my older AR15A4 IMO. I will say that the Carbine stamp is somewhat ridiculous looking on this rifle, but other than that, there's no reduction in quality on the 20" gun (at least the one I looked at, I did not note the serial # however). Hell, I may still go buy it as I can get it for $1220 with my membership at this particular shop. I sure hope Colt returns to the AR15A4 stamp and stops stamping guns like idiots. What's next, just stamp the lowers "GUN" and use them on everything? View Quote I just bought a CR6700 today and agree wholeheartedly with the above analysis. First class Colt quality which is the equal to any Colt I have owned, whether from the 70s, 80s, early 2000s or now this one. UPPER and lower receiver fit tightly and well. Furniture is standard milspec A2, cage code marked upper, C MP Chrome Bore 1x7 barrel, C marked bolt carrier, MP bolt with white paint dot, unmarked charging handle, will double check on other markings and post pictures tomorrow. No regrets even with the "Carbine" marked lower. |
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Can anyone check and see if the heat shields are glued into the A2 handguards on these new Carbine marked A4s?
I notice that new M4 handguards coming on complete uppers from Colt don't have glued in heatshields like they used to, but I'm not sure about the A2 handguards on the A4 uppers? |
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Why is it a problem if it's a carbine lower? Worried about value or is the carbine lower not up to spec? I don't understand...
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Quoted: Why is it a problem if it's a carbine lower? Worried about value or is the carbine lower not up to spec? I don't understand... View Quote There's nothing wrong with it at all, the "CARBINE" marking just doesn't make any sense being on a rifle. Functionally it's fine, but they might as well have marked it "BOAT". |
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Quoted: Why is it a problem if it's a carbine lower? Worried about value or is the carbine lower not up to spec? I don't understand... View Quote No actual problem with it. It’s basically like taking a Chevy 2500 pickup truck and having the factory slaps Corvette emblems on it because that’s all they had. |
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Bought one today, $1023
Looks great, came with a carry handle instead of MBUS |
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Where is it available for $1023? I'd love to buy another one and that is the best price I've seen
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Actually bought it at Dahlonega Gold and Pawn and paid $1008 after my 3% cash discount
DGP has “Carbine” 6920 for $1018 Clydes had only carbines albeit 3 types of 6920 and new 6940s Also had Portland Police 6721 trade ins for $899 with their cool PPD UID stickers. Another local shop, Georgia Gun Store had new “Carbine” 6920 for $1015 |
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We have had six come through the shop. All are AR15-A4 marked lowers with roll marked model and logo, engraved serial number and manufacturer info, with QR code. All have carry handles, C MP marked barrels, C marked bolts and carriers.
These must have been some of the last with the original markings. |
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I am looking for a NIB AR15A4 stamped/rolled gun at a reasonable price.
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Just noticed that Palmetto St Armory has them in stock now for $1499
FYI, dh |
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Bought one yesterday. Beautiful gun! Square forge upper with cage code. "C" marked carrier. MPC marked bolt (with "A" under the MPC?) Upper to lower fit has miniscule side to side play and zero up down play. Finish is very nice. Furniture seems high quality. I have owned many Colt ARs over the past 40 years and this one is just as nice or nicer.
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Quoted: Nice looking rifle. Just imagine what it would be like with the ar15a4 marking on the side. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I picked one up at the EE for $1025 with an M5 rail. Besides the “Carbine” marking, it is one of my favorite AR’s at the moment. ] Nice looking rifle. Just imagine what it would be like with the ar15a4 marking on the side. No worries, I got a dremel! |
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I ran my 20” “Carbine” this weekend. Yes the rollmark sucks, but I was very pleased with the rifle’s initial results. I did a 36 yard zero with M855. Windage was dead on right out of the gate. Elevation required one 1/4 turn, and it was on for my eyes and this particular load.
The benefit of the engraved standard marking...this one won’t get babied like most of my Colts. It will probably spend some time in truck gun status. Would I want to pay $1200 for one? Probably not. For $950 though...I’d say I’m satisfied. |
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Quoted: I ran my 20” “Carbine” this weekend. Yes the rollmark sucks, but I was very pleased with the rifle’s initial results. I did a 36 yard zero with M855. Windage was dead on right out of the gate. Elevation required one 1/4 turn, and it was on for my eyes and this particular load. The benefit of the engraved standard marking...this one won’t get babied like most of my Colts. It will probably spend some time in truck gun status. Would I want to pay $1200 for one? Probably not. For $950 though...I’d say I’m satisfied. View Quote There is a reason your windage was dead on right out of the gate, see here, u tube link below explains it. AR15-A4 Front Sight Block gauge testing |
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Quoted: There is a reason your windage was dead on right out of the gate, see here, u tube link below explains it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ca-SrCEbvg&t=86s View Quote Yes...my comment was related to very satisfactory alignment of the front gas block/sight. I wouldn’t say that video explains anything other than the example in the video was also put together well. My point personally...yes the new markings suck, but the rifle is up to snuff ignoring aesthetics. They’re not perfect though. I have a SOCOM barreled Expanse that would only left you a couple clicks of left windage. I sent it back to Colt, and they fixed it to proper alignment. |
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I just bought a laser marked AR15A4 Colt from Clyde Armory for $1350:
https://clydearmory.com/colt-ar15a4/ Attached File I'm happy with it. |
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Quoted: I just bought a laser marked AR15A4 Colt from Clyde Armory for $1350: https://clydearmory.com/colt-ar15a4/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/24926/ar15a4_png-2036812.JPG I'm happy with it. View Quote They are very well done in my opinion. |
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