[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Colt Modular Rifle? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/20/2010 5:18:17 PM EDT
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Has this topic already been discussed ad naseum and I just missed it?
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DUPE
And, Colt won a contract to produce the M240B 7.62mm machine gun... Interesting 
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And that's a dupe as well. 
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=2&f=29&t=179730 |
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It sure is - just puttin 2+2 together for the OP...and hoping we will all be able to buy a Colt semi-auto .308 soon 
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It sure is - just puttin 2+2 together for the OP...and hoping we will all be able to buy a Colt semi-auto .308 soon
You and me both!
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My bet is that it is designed to use M14 mags. However if it does end up using Armalite mags I will find that horribly hilarious.
How many people would do a 180 and say that Armalite mags are the way to go with a fighting 308, etc. More people crying out to Magpul to make an AR10 mag, etc. |
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My bet is that it is designed to use M14 mags. However if it does end up using Armalite mags I will find that horribly hilarious. How many people would do a 180 and say that Armalite mags are the way to go with a fighting 308, etc. More people crying out to Magpul to make an AR10 mag, etc. nah, I bet it takes SR25 mags I think they would standardize on a milspec item already in the system and no doubt KAC is better then any M14 bases abortion |
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By David Crane
defrev (at) gmail (dot) com September 21, 2010 Updated on 9/22/10 A few days ago, our friend Eric Graves at Soldier Systems posted a very short blurb on a 7.62mm NATO (7.62×51mm NATO) modular battle rifle/carbine/SBR (Short Barreled Rifle) that Colt Defense is developing called the CM901. DefenseReview (DR) can confirm that the Colt CM901 indeed exists. We can confirm it because we’ve seen it, handled and examined it, and fired it. Some quick background: Defense Review first found out about the CM901 at SHOT Show 2010 from one of our professional/industry contacts. Then, in the first week after SHOT, one of our U.S. military Special Operations (SPECOPS) contacts told us about the modular aspects of it, and how it worked. He communicated to us that the gun’s design was pretty slick, and he seemed very enthusiastic about it, which piqued our interest. If the CM901 was able to excite this individual (a Tier 1 operator), we thought, it must be pretty cool. And, as it turns out, it is. It’s very cool. The CM901 is pretty badass, actually. The following is the short blurb Soldier Systems published on the CM901: Colt 7.62 Rifle? We have received a couple of tips that Colt has a new rifle in 7.62, model number CM901. Apparently, it will also be backward compatible with 5.56 uppers and has already been demonstrated for potential US Government customers. Sounds like we have a new contender in the “SCAR WARS”. We expect to see it unveiled at AUSA in October. Remember, you heard it here first. Well, you heard it here second. Stay tuned. |
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Colt 7.62NATO carbine=BONERTOWN USA
We'd all love a SR25EMC, but no way I can afford the $5K entry fee. I'm not saying it's not worth it, but it's not realistic for me to get one at that price (especially given my OCD need have two of every gun I own  ). If Colt can sell this badboy for ~$3K, I'd probably pull the trigger.
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pics and vids!!!!  
http://www.defensereview.com/dr-exclusive-scar-who-meet-the-colt-cm901-modular-multi-caliber-7-62mm-nato5-56mm-nato-battle-carbinesbrrifle-for-u-s-military-special-operations-forces-sof-and-general-infantry-forces-gif/ holy Buddha!!!! I dont care how much it costs. I. WANT. IT. |
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I was surprised by them using what appears to be the same magwell for both uppers. I cant understand how it's possible They divided by zero. 
My guess is the adapter that allows a standard 5.56mm upper to attach to the lower, also has a magwell portion of it for the 5.56mm magazines.
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pics and vids!!!!
http://www.defensereview.com/dr-exclusive-scar-who-meet-the-colt-cm901-modular-multi-caliber-7-62mm-nato5-56mm-nato-battle-carbinesbrrifle-for-u-s-military-special-operations-forces-sof-and-general-infantry-forces-gif/ holy Buddha!!!! I dont care how much it costs. I. WANT. IT. Well put me down for the 2nd one then! lol Oh man I want this!! |
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It is a colt...second only to HK in making cool stuff...then deciding not to produce it unless there is a military contract order.
I have doubts that it will ever see civi hands. Even if it did...it is still just a DI 7.62 gun with a magwell adapter that allows it to use 5.56 mags and a different upper. Not shocking...cool yes but not a big deal. It is going to have all of the same issues that other DI systems have. Suppressors...gas port sizing and erosion...dwell time...SBRs that don't run reliably because of that dwell time...etc. DI is a good system but pistons have some real advantages in terms of dealing with variable barrel lengths, ammo sensitivity, and lack of lube. The HK 417 and SCAR are pretty much going to dominate the 7.62 field in terms of battle rifles IMO. |
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It is going to have all of the same issues that other DI systems have. Suppressors...gas port sizing and erosion...dwell time...SBRs that don't run reliably because of that dwell time...etc. Really read the flier didn't he
I don't think he knows that the SCAR has been canceled either...
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It is a colt...second only to HK in making cool stuff...then deciding not to produce it unless there is a military contract order. I have doubts that it will ever see civi hands. Even if it did...it is still just a DI 7.62 gun with a magwell adapter that allows it to use 5.56 mags and a different upper. Not shocking...cool yes but not a big deal. It is going to have all of the same issues that other DI systems have. Suppressors...gas port sizing and erosion...dwell time...SBRs that don't run reliably because of that dwell time...etc. DI is a good system but pistons have some real advantages in terms of dealing with variable barrel lengths, ammo sensitivity, and lack of lube. The HK 417 and SCAR are pretty much going to dominate the 7.62 field in terms of battle rifles IMO. hard to dominate when you been canceled pistons are a waste, more weight, more parts, more money and carbon fouling and need for lube just move to another location |
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It is going to have all of the same issues that other DI systems have. Suppressors...gas port sizing and erosion...dwell time...SBRs that don't run reliably because of that dwell time...etc. Really read the flier didn't he
I don't think he knows that the SCAR has been canceled either... Hate to break it to you...the SCAR isn't even remotely canceled. The SCAR money is going to the 7.62 Chasis version of the SCAR that can adapt to 5.56. So...this capability already exists and is in use by DOD. Colt is a day late and a dollar short on this one. It is a cool rifle...but I fail to see that is is bringing anything new to the table beyond looking more like an AR and being even less available to the general public than the SCAR. |
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It is a colt...second only to HK in making cool stuff...then deciding not to produce it unless there is a military contract order. I have doubts that it will ever see civi hands. Even if it did...it is still just a DI 7.62 gun with a magwell adapter that allows it to use 5.56 mags and a different upper. Not shocking...cool yes but not a big deal. It is going to have all of the same issues that other DI systems have. Suppressors...gas port sizing and erosion...dwell time...SBRs that don't run reliably because of that dwell time...etc. DI is a good system but pistons have some real advantages in terms of dealing with variable barrel lengths, ammo sensitivity, and lack of lube. The HK 417 and SCAR are pretty much going to dominate the 7.62 field in terms of battle rifles IMO. hard to dominate when you been canceled pistons are a waste, more weight, more parts, more money and carbon fouling and need for lube just move to another location That isn't even close to be ing accurate. Pistons are far more tollerant of lack of lube. I have never lubed the actual piston on my LWRC...with no failures. I have had lube related failures on my issue Colt M4 at the end of a long day. Why does it have to be either or? The Colt rifles are good systems....and the SCAR is as well. The blind worship of anything with a Colt label makes the forum look like a hobby forum full of spongebob watching copy machine repairmen. |
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Hate to break it to you...the SCAR isn't even remotely canceled. The SCAR money is going to the 7.62 Chasis version of the SCAR that can adapt to 5.56. So...this capability already exists and is in use by DOD. Colt is a day late and a dollar short on this one. It is a cool rifle...but I fail to see that is is bringing anything new to the table beyond looking more like an AR and being even less available to the general public than the SCAR. Show me a single piece of information that indicates that the SCAR adaptability exists and works, and isn't just a "concept." |
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Show me a single piece of information that indicates that the SCAR adaptability exists and works, and isn't just a "concept." Don't know if you've seen this article in Navy SEAL Ethos magazine about the SCAR. . . . The article starts on page 9. |
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It is a colt...second only to HK in making cool stuff...then deciding not to produce it unless there is a military contract order. I have doubts that it will ever see civi hands. Even if it did...it is still just a DI 7.62 gun with a magwell adapter that allows it to use 5.56 mags and a different upper. Not shocking...cool yes but not a big deal. It is going to have all of the same issues that other DI systems have. Suppressors...gas port sizing and erosion...dwell time...SBRs that don't run reliably because of that dwell time...etc. DI is a good system but pistons have some real advantages in terms of dealing with variable barrel lengths, ammo sensitivity, and lack of lube. The HK 417 and SCAR are pretty much going to dominate the 7.62 field in terms of battle rifles IMO. hard to dominate when you been canceled pistons are a waste, more weight, more parts, more money and carbon fouling and need for lube just move to another location That isn't even close to be ing accurate. Pistons are far more tollerant of lack of lube. I have never lubed the actual piston on my LWRC...with no failures. I have had lube related failures on my issue Colt M4 at the end of a long day. Why does it have to be either or? The Colt rifles are good systems....and the SCAR is as well. The blind worship of anything with a Colt label makes the forum look like a hobby forum full of spongebob watching copy machine repairmen. whatever. nice to lift LAV lines as original pistons have been around a long time hotrod. and they dont have enough benefit to justify a full replacement so more parts is not even close to being true in a piston gun? so show me a piston gun with less parts then 1 ( one) each , hollow SS tube? now who is blindly following a piston craze? so your new LWRC that I would consider semi custom, has not failed you but a gov issue half way to worn out mislpec rifle that has been mistreated by buddha knows how many ham fisted kids has failed you? well thats proof enough for me. did you conduct the dust test and report for army times as well? doesnt have to be either or at all. but deciding a weapon system that has not had the time in combat and bugs worked out is better then a mature known solid system is asinine, in 5 or so more years of hard use and RD to make sure its a good gun and I would be fine with it. As it stands it offers little to suggest it is so much better then DI the 30 cal version is the only one that remotely makes sense in my lowly opinion. if you dont like my opinion fine. but you dont have to get insulting with borderline personal attacks on us ETA at least the SCAR H will hopefully get rid of all those giant POS M14s that people seem to think are the greatest thing in the world |
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Show me a single piece of information that indicates that the SCAR adaptability exists and works, and isn't just a "concept." Don't know if you've seen this article in Navy SEAL Ethos magazine about the SCAR. . . . The article starts on page 9. neat article I see the old "762 will put them down with one shot" rearing its head. no need to actually aim for a vital zone. even a pinky hit will be deadly as long as you use a good old 30. lol. sure are a lot of GIs from WW2 that took 8mm rounds and still managed to fit. seems to be a few guys taking 7.62 AK rounds and being able to continue to fight. I would hate to have to carry 210 rounds of 30 cal ammo and those huge ass mags, to get me through a foot patrol in the mountains of afghanistan. no wonder those guys work out until they look like the hulk |
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Show me a single piece of information that indicates that the SCAR adaptability exists and works, and isn't just a "concept." Don't know if you've seen this article in Navy SEAL Ethos magazine about the SCAR. . . . The article starts on page 9. neat article I see the old "762 will put them down with one shot" rearing its head. no need to actually aim for a vital zone. even a pinky hit will be deadly as long as you use a good old 30. lol. sure are a lot of GIs from WW2 that took 8mm rounds and still managed to fit. seems to be a few guys taking 7.62 AK rounds and being able to continue to fight. I would hate to have to carry 210 rounds of 30 cal ammo and those huge ass mags, to get me through a foot patrol in the mountains of afghanistan. no wonder those guys work out until they look like the hulk LOL... wish I knew how to do that laughing, rolling stick figure. It's amazing how many people think a bigger round will help the spray and pray Delta Farce guys. If you hit your target in a vital area almost any cal will work and there are special forces out there that don't use full auto and are happy with the 5.56. Can't tell ya cause I'd have to kill ya. |
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Show me a single piece of information that indicates that the SCAR adaptability exists and works, and isn't just a "concept." Don't know if you've seen this article in Navy SEAL Ethos magazine about the SCAR. . . . The article starts on page 9. neat article I see the old "762 will put them down with one shot" rearing its head. no need to actually aim for a vital zone. even a pinky hit will be deadly as long as you use a good old 30. lol. sure are a lot of GIs from WW2 that took 8mm rounds and still managed to fit. seems to be a few guys taking 7.62 AK rounds and being able to continue to fight. I would hate to have to carry 210 rounds of 30 cal ammo and those huge ass mags, to get me through a foot patrol in the mountains of afghanistan. no wonder those guys work out until they look like the hulk LOL...  wish I knew how to do that laughing, rolling stick figure.
It's amazing how many people think a bigger round will help the spray and pray Delta Farce guys. If you hit your target in a vital area almost any cal will work and there are special forces out there that don't use full auto and are happy with the 5.56. Can't tell ya cause I'd have to kill ya. There ya go!
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It is a colt...second only to HK in making cool stuff...then deciding not to produce it unless there is a military contract order. I have doubts that it will ever see civi hands. Even if it did...it is still just a DI 7.62 gun with a magwell adapter that allows it to use 5.56 mags and a different upper. Not shocking...cool yes but not a big deal. It is going to have all of the same issues that other DI systems have. Suppressors...gas port sizing and erosion...dwell time...SBRs that don't run reliably because of that dwell time...etc. DI is a good system but pistons have some real advantages in terms of dealing with variable barrel lengths, ammo sensitivity, and lack of lube. The HK 417 and SCAR are pretty much going to dominate the 7.62 field in terms of battle rifles IMO. hard to dominate when you been canceled pistons are a waste, more weight, more parts, more money and carbon fouling and need for lube just move to another location That isn't even close to be ing accurate. Pistons are far more tollerant of lack of lube. I have never lubed the actual piston on my LWRC...with no failures. I have had lube related failures on my issue Colt M4 at the end of a long day. Why does it have to be either or? The Colt rifles are good systems....and the SCAR is as well. The blind worship of anything with a Colt label makes the forum look like a hobby forum full of spongebob watching copy machine repairmen. whatever. nice to lift LAV lines as original pistons have been around a long time hotrod. and they dont have enough benefit to justify a full replacement so more parts is not even close to being true in a piston gun? so show me a piston gun with less parts then 1 ( one) each , hollow SS tube? now who is blindly following a piston craze? so your new LWRC that I would consider semi custom, has not failed you but a gov issue half way to worn out mislpec rifle that has been mistreated by buddha knows how many ham fisted kids has failed you? well thats proof enough for me. did you conduct the dust test and report for army times as well? doesnt have to be either or at all. but deciding a weapon system that has not had the time in combat and bugs worked out is better then a mature known solid system is asinine, in 5 or so more years of hard use and RD to make sure its a good gun and I would be fine with it. As it stands it offers little to suggest it is so much better then DI the 30 cal version is the only one that remotely makes sense in my lowly opinion. if you dont like my opinion fine. but you dont have to get insulting with borderline personal attacks on us ETA at least the SCAR H will hopefully get rid of all those giant POS M14s that people seem to think are the greatest thing in the world I have been issued everything from an M-16A2E with a fixed carrying handle and M-4 barrel in Afghanistan back in 04 to NIB M-4s straight from the factory. I never said they were crap....but seriously, do you not think there might be some serious room for improvement on a 50+ year old design/system? I may not be an engineer, but I have been fortunate to spend some time with guys that get tax payer funded guns and can choose whatever they wanted. They had piston guns. That includes selected parts of Naval Special Warfare and Army Special Forces. Heck, that is where the 416 came from....guys who were tired of having M-4s fail them. In doing workups prior to my last trip to Iraq, we routinely had to bring extra M-4s to the range because we would lose one or two a day to parts breakage or other failures. Understand me, I am not saying that the M-4 is bad. I have a pile of them at home and they are a great system....but I believe that the Piston systems I have worked with were superior in terms of reliability and tollerating a lack of lube. That is my view...so take it for what you paid for it. I don't think any one system is magical and all with have their issues but I believe that we need to look beyond the M04 and DI systems in general to a more tollerant system. I believe this because I was around when we had that ammo shortage way back in 04/05 and DOD bought all that NATO Standard 5.56 from the UK that wouldn't run in the M-4s because they were ammo sensitive...but it would run in the 416 and I tried some in my personal LWRC with good results. That is my big issue with the M-4....it doesn't tollerate problems like weak ammo, lube, dirt, etc as well as the competition. I don't see how a DI system could ever be as forgiving because it has to work with whatever comes through the gas port while a piston can vent off excess or stay closed longer to use every last bit of gas pressure. YMMV.... I am not trying to attack you...sorry if it came across that way. I am just a bit suprised by some of the Colt worship on here.... |
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In all honesty, I think environment has a huge impact on gun failures. For example the 416 failed a ton for the NOR military. Kept freezing up on them whereas the DI M4 didn't have that problem. Now in a hot dusty environment, perhaps a gun that requires less lube is an advantage.
The irony of it all and it looks like LB missed it, is the fact that this nice new gun from Colt offers three types of gas systems, DI, piston and hybrid, hence the comment about not reading it, which was posted earlier...
Another thing I'll add is that "if" the .mil had no small arms whatsoever and so a "complete change out" was not a part of the equation, I wouldn't be surprised to see a piston system get the nod over a DI system given the fact that we are at war with terrorist groups in the middle east, however if we were at war with a country like Russia, I would expect to see the DI system get the nod. Either way these discussions are always pointless because a piston lover isn't going to change a DI lovers mind and visa versa. Personally I don't give a shit what the military uses, just so long as it protects our men and women and in this day in age, kills a lot of hodgies! 
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Show me a single piece of information that indicates that the SCAR adaptability exists and works, and isn't just a "concept." Don't know if you've seen this article in Navy SEAL Ethos magazine about the SCAR. . . . The article starts on page 9. Rendered artwork showing a MK17 and then showing a barrel and magazine under it isn't what I'm talking about. I want to see a real picture of one assembled. I want to see somebody shooting one on YouTube. Somebody show me a single piece of information that indicates that it's REAL and that it WORKS. |
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Show me a single piece of information that indicates that the SCAR adaptability exists and works, and isn't just a "concept." Don't know if you've seen this article in Navy SEAL Ethos magazine about the SCAR. . . . The article starts on page 9. Rendered artwork showing a MK17 and then showing a barrel and magazine under it isn't what I'm talking about. I want to see a real picture of one assembled. I want to see somebody shooting one on YouTube. Somebody show me a single piece of information that indicates that it's REAL and that it WORKS. I hope you are not holding your breathe waiting for that 
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Yes, they are spending money on the SCAR-H but there is no way to "adapt" that rifle to 5.56. That's why there is a SCAR-L. 2 rifles 2 calibers 2 serial numbers. Colt has 1 rilfe, 1 serial number, Multiple calibers. So, you join the Military and get your helmet your boots and your lower receiver. Sniper? Here is your 7.62 20" upper. Infantry, here is your 5.56 14.5" upper. Etc...... 
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