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^ checking all my scopes tomorrow with my dead level, still your fault.
————— Anyone load any copper solids in their tOBRs? Planning for a hog hunt. |
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe: ^ checking all my scopes tomorrow with my dead level, still your fault. ————— Anyone load any copper solids in their tOBRs? Planning for a hog hunt. View Quote A couple things: 1. I did not shoot the tall target test. I simply bagged in my rifle and centered on the 7.5mil mark and when I dialed up, made sure the reticle tracked down to the appropriate mark. If you shoot the test, you always maintain POA at the bottom mark and the elevation changes are reflected in the bullet's POI. I did not feel I needed to go through that process as scope tracking and bullet impact may not exactly corelate due to shooter induced issues. 2. Don't waste your time on solids. The twist rate is not fast enough to get them to work with reliable accuracy. I spent hundreds of dollars trying to get 6.5mm solids to work and finally just gave up. I got my tall test targets from box to bench precision. |
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Originally Posted By Defender3: A couple things: 1. I did not shoot the tall target test. I simply bagged in my rifle and centered on the 7.5mil mark and when I dialed up, made sure the reticle tracked down to the appropriate mark. If you shoot the test, you always maintain POA at the bottom mark and the elevation changes are reflected in the bullet's POI. I did not feel I needed to go through that process as scope tracking and bullet impact may not exactly corelate due to shooter induced issues. 2. Don't waste your time on solids. The twist rate is not fast enough to get them to work with reliable accuracy. I spent hundreds of dollars trying to get 6.5mm solids to work and finally just gave up. I got my tall test targets from box to bench precision. View Quote Yeah I don't shoot my target, just compare how the reticle tracks, but most important to me is that I have it level. I've ran my scopes through them before, just not on a dead level type device. Fun fact the h59 in my dmr2 tracks perfect, but the reticle is way off. Such a terrible reticle, sorry not sorry to all the fans. Don't have a choice on the solids, california requires all copper bullets for hunting. Seems like the hammer hunters might be ok, the internet likes them. |
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Originally Posted By Defender3: As an aside, I'm off to my first ever shooting class today, a PRS Rimfire class. I thought I'd start "easy" and work my way up to PRS Centerfire. The class will be a testament to trying to teach an old dog (me) new tricks. And since I usually do precision, which is prone, doing positional shooting will be a challenge. Pic of the rig that is making the journey with me, Vudoo V22 with 20" ACE barrel in Kukri profile, in an AICS, and with a S&B PMII. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_7303-1-1897185.jpg View Quote This reeks of awesome! |
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe: ^ checking all my scopes tomorrow with my dead level, still your fault. ————— Anyone load any copper solids in their tOBRs? Planning for a hog hunt. View Quote I Have but only in my small block. The 70 gr tsx’s are super accurate and devastating on deer. Don’t be afraid to go lighter with the Barnes bullets. They are longer so a gun that loves 140’s my not like 140 Barnes. Definitely step down to a 130 to start. In my 7-08 I was testing 110’s, maybe 120’s it was a long time ago, when I got out of the 7-08 game. They were showing very good promise. |
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Originally Posted By SpeyRod: I Have but only in my small block. The 70 gr tsx’s are super accurate and devastating on deer. Don’t be afraid to go lighter with the Barnes bullets. They are longer so a gun that loves 140’s my not like 140 Barnes. Definitely step down to a 130 to start. In my 7-08 I was testing 110’s, maybe 120’s it was a long time ago, when I got out of the 7-08 game. They were showing very good promise. View Quote I have some 100 gr Barnes I bought for the intent of loading in the grendel but gave up on that, do you think that’s too light for the 260? |
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Well that was anti climatic. Yes, a spare 22" 260 barrel. My current one still has years left at the rate I shoot but I don't want to get to the point where I need a new one and Mark decides to stop making them or something.
Interestingly, it doesn't come with a barrel nut, which isn't in the picture on the website so no big deal, but other dudes earlier in this thread said it came with one. The set screws in the gas block are finger tight so no big deal. I will just have to cut the gas block off the old one to get the barrel nut when the time comes I suppose. |
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe: Well that was anti climatic. Yes, a spare 22" 260 barrel. My current one still has years left at the rate I shoot but I don't want to get to the point where I need a new one and Mark decides to stop making them or something. Interestingly, it doesn't come with a barrel nut, which isn't in the picture on the website so no big deal, but other dudes earlier in this thread said it came with one. The set screws in the gas block are finger tight so no big deal. I will just have to cut the gas block off the old one to get the barrel nut when the time comes I suppose. View Quote So it didn't come with a PST? |
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Originally Posted By Defender3: Hummm, maybe you have to order the whole cartridge to get the PST. I'll have to look it up. View Quote This is the only way you can buy a 260 barrel these days, absent waiting for one of the original ones to pop up on EE. |
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AB has always been spot on for me without any truing. I always have to tweak TRASOL but when I go check the kestrel it’s perfect.
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe: Well that was anti climatic. Yes, a spare 22" 260 barrel. My current one still has years left at the rate I shoot but I don't want to get to the point where I need a new one and Mark decides to stop making them or something. Interestingly, it doesn't come with a barrel nut, which isn't in the picture on the website so no big deal, but other dudes earlier in this thread said it came with one. The set screws in the gas block are finger tight so no big deal. I will just have to cut the gas block off the old one to get the barrel nut when the time comes I suppose. View Quote How come you have to cut it off? |
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe: I thought I remember reading on here it takes an act of god to get them off as they come from the factory, I could be wrong. If we’re still carrying on when I swap it out years from now I’ll let you all know View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: The gas block doesn't come off? I thought I remember reading on here it takes an act of god to get them off as they come from the factory, I could be wrong. If we’re still carrying on when I swap it out years from now I’ll let you all know Ah. I'd cheat and just use the 100-ton press at work. |
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe: I thought I remember reading on here it takes an act of god to get them off as they come from the factory, I could be wrong. If we’re still carrying on when I swap it out years from now I’ll let you all know View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: The gas block doesn't come off? I thought I remember reading on here it takes an act of god to get them off as they come from the factory, I could be wrong. If we’re still carrying on when I swap it out years from now I’ll let you all know I tried to remove the 1 on my OBR to install the .260 barrel. I gave up, and the 260 barrel went on my FDE Heavy. |
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe: https://i.imgur.com/WK1NnVx.jpg I posted this on the hide but: Working up a load for my gas gun, which has a 22" barrel for reference, and need some input. These are RL16, Berger 130 AR Hybrids, Lapua brass and a BR-2 primer at about 2.810 OAL. I'm using LaRue magazines so I think I can go out a to 2.870 or so. The bottom group of 41.5 was shot first on a completely clean but fully broken in barrel. I think 42.3 is a trap since the POI is starting to shift and I probably got lucky since the other groups are about the same size. Should I focus on 42.0 and change seating depth? Any input on how big the changes in OAL for testing purposes would be appreciated. View Quote JMHO, but go with the 42.3. You want the lowest vertical dispersion, which 42.3 seems to offer, as well as a low SD. I'd load up 10 more and shot them to validate the load. 41.9 also shows a small vertical, but I don't like that horizontal. It's interesting that none of those really hit a velocity node. |
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Originally Posted By Defender3: JMHO, but go with the 42.3. You want the lowest vertical dispersion, which 42.3 seems to offer, as well as a low SD. I'd load up 10 more and shot them to validate the load. 41.9 also shows a small vertical, but I don't like that horizontal. It's interesting that none of those really hit a velocity node. View Quote Makes sense, I might explore that 42.0 with some seating depth changes but also load up the 42.3, see how I fare. |
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe: I thought I remember reading on here it takes an act of god to get them off as they come from the factory, I could be wrong. If we’re still carrying on when I swap it out years from now I’ll let you all know View Quote No they come off. You need to use heat though. |
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe: Makes sense, I might explore that 42.0 with some seating depth changes but also load up the 42.3, see how I fare. View Quote Given that workup my next step would depend on how many bullets I have in inventory. You may have a speed node at 42.5 and an accuracy node at 42.3. If I had enough bullets I would load 5 each @ 42.2, 42.3, 42.4 & 42.5. That will tell you if it was luck or if there is something there. As far as playing with seating length I don’t have a lot of experience but my test with .02” adjustments produced a very accurate load in my Creedmoor. |
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Just an FYI, there are two boxes of Lapua 260 brass at our local shop if anyone is looking for some, $118 each. Let me know if you want them...
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Originally Posted By Defender3: Just when you really, really thought it was safe to not spend more money, along comes another new arrival, the 21st Century Shooting extended expander body with the 30cal and 6.5mm expander mandrel kits. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/52736/21st-1914851.jpg View Quote I'm conflicted, while you bought the whole kit, you bought the SS ones, hmmm must be part of that 'saving for the at-x' bit. I have the Ti Nitride but only one per caliber. |
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe: I'm conflicted, while you bought the whole kit, you bought the SS ones, hmmm must be part of that 'saving for the at-x' bit. I have the Ti Nitride but only one per caliber. View Quote They only had the kits in SS and they were pretty pricey. The kits give me more flexibility to use different bullets and neck tension, so I just got the whole deal. Maybe I'll buy one each of the Ti's when I settle on a load. How do you like the Ti's? Do you use any neck lube at all? |
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Originally Posted By Defender3: They only had the kits in SS and they were pretty pricey. The kits give me more flexibility to use different bullets and neck tension, so I just got the whole deal. Maybe I'll buy one each of the Ti's when I settle on a load. How do you like the Ti's? Do you use any neck lube at all? View Quote I dipped them in graphite before i ran the cases through there, not sure if necessary but hasn't caused any issues. they work as advertised. |
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Oh oh, just ordered a pair of Vortex Fury HD binos with the built in range finder and AB solution app.
Backordered from Euro, but it will be interesting if I can consolidate several pieces of kit into that one solution. And yes, I know the glass isn't up the UHD standards, or some high end Jap or German stuff, but remember, I'm only doing square range with an occasional journey off the complex. As such, I'm not worried about a chromatic distortion at the very edge of the glass, some issue at the 99.9% edge in the top left quadrant or finding a bedded down elk 1,000y away in dense brush, it's Quantico for Pete's sake. ETA - Almost pre-ordered an AI AT-X today...still contemplating... |
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Originally Posted By Defender3: Oh oh, just ordered a pair of Vortex Fury HD binos with the built in range finder and AB solution app. Backordered from Euro, but it will be interesting if I can consolidate several pieces of kit into that one solution. And yes, I know the glass isn't up the UHD standards, or some high end Jap or German stuff, but remember, I'm only doing square range with an occasional journey off the complex. As such, I'm not worried about a chromatic distortion at the very edge of the glass, some issue at the 99.9% edge in the top left quadrant or finding a bedded down elk 1,000y away in dense brush, it's Quantico for Pete's sake. ETA - Almost pre-ordered an AI AT-X today...still contemplating... View Quote my buddy has one, its pretty slick. |
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe: https://i.imgur.com/WK1NnVx.jpg I posted this on the hide but: Working up a load for my gas gun, which has a 22" barrel for reference, and need some input. These are RL16, Berger 130 AR Hybrids, Lapua brass and a BR-2 primer at about 2.810 OAL. I'm using LaRue magazines so I think I can go out a to 2.870 or so. The bottom group of 41.5 was shot first on a completely clean but fully broken in barrel. I think 42.3 is a trap since the POI is starting to shift and I probably got lucky since the other groups are about the same size. Should I focus on 42.0 and change seating depth? Any input on how big the changes in OAL for testing purposes would be appreciated. View Quote I have just over 40 rounds chrono’d with 42.3 accross three shooting sessions and the overall SD is sub-10. I didn’t think that was even possible with a gasser but it sure likes it. |
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Originally Posted By Defender3: Just when you really thought it was safe and you didn't have to spend any more money, along comes another arrival. The Bushnell Forge 15x56s came today. I wanted to try a bino solution to spotting rather than being hunched over a spotter all day. I could only test them to 500y, but they were clear and sharp, and the light transfer was superb. I know, I should have gone with the Swaros, but I need to save pennies somewhere to afford that new Accuracy International AT-X so I can put my Kreiger .260 barrel on it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_7460-1909974.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_7463-1912149.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_7470-1912153.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_7469-1912152.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_7468-1912151.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_7467-1912150.jpg View Quote Got the 10x for 2.2 to birdwatch. Surprisingly good. |
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Ah, screw it - pre-ordered an AT-X and a 6BR barrel from MileHigh. The AT-X will take my .260 barrels so I'll have a Kreiger and a Proof for it. Comes with a 6.5CM, which I'll sell off, and I'll have the 6BR for competitions.
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Originally Posted By Defender3: Ah, screw it - pre-ordered an AT-X and a 6BR barrel from MileHigh. The AT-X will take my .260 barrels so I'll have a Kreiger and a Proof for it. Comes with a 6.5CM, which I'll sell off, and I'll have the 6BR for competitions. It's only money... View Quote If I had your money I'd burn mine. What color? |
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Originally Posted By KML7201: If I had your money I'd burn mine. What color? View Quote Would have preferred the Pale Brown Master Race, but settled for Dark Earth. Just can't go red or blue, maybe if I shot better. ETA - I simply sold off another rifle to fund this one. HH6 is trying to keep me at a zero sum, mostly unsuccessfully. |
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Originally Posted By Defender3: Ah, screw it - pre-ordered an AT-X and a 6BR barrel from MileHigh. The AT-X will take my .260 barrels so I'll have a Kreiger and a Proof for it. Comes with a 6.5CM, which I'll sell off, and I'll have the 6BR for competitions. It's only money... View Quote i assumed you had already done that. when's it come out? |
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