Posted: 9/15/2015 7:31:16 PM EDT
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So is that from the can or the barrel?
Edit: My first can was a Gemtech M4-02. Used it on a LMT barrel. Had a 10MOA POI shift because of that barrel being threaded out of concentric. Since then I have gotten nutty about it. I buy either precision threaded barrels or have ADCO rethread barrels. I use Surefire cans. I know that a barrel threaded concentric to the bore will have no POI shift with my Surefire cans. So I am curious if the cause of the POI shift is the from the barrel (threading or flex), or from the can(mounting crooked, baffle design, etc)? |
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Originally Posted By TheLion:
If JM is John Mailloux he's awesome. Oh yeah and about the picture, NICE! The center group is with the TranQuilo, the 2.5" high group is without the can. |
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Originally Posted By bobweaver:
Looks like zeroed with can, then removed to see expected and repeatable, thus reliable, POI shift. Lack of horizontal shift it impressive. The no windage aspect is handy. |
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Originally Posted By clharr:
I'd be fine with that. I much prefer a change in elevation than windage. Although the slight 2-3 inch adjustment by the shooter is the same easy concept if the POI is dependable whether the change is horizontal or verticle, assuming it's one or the other and not both, I totally agree. I too perceive a verticle adjustment to be much easier to make during a heart pounding shot. Funny how our brains work. |
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Originally Posted By TheLion:
If JM is John Mailloux he's awesome. Oh yeah and about the picture, NICE! JM is one and the same - John knocked a .182" out with that same 260 today. |
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It is possible to make the POI shift predictible in production like it is accuracy with a barrel? So, a LT barrel with a LT can will not have a POI shift of more than X MOA when using 175 gr. FGMM, etc? Has the engineering and science side of things made this possible? |
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You know Mark, today is my birthday and it would be awesome if you could send me that rifle with that test target from today and such! I already have the Tranquilo on order to go on my OBR and Predatobr. Why not a third host for it.....besides I need a new caliber to play with!
Thanks for all you do!! |
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Originally Posted By samiam513:
It is possible to make the POI shift predictible in production like it is accuracy with a barrel? So, a LT barrel with a LT can will not have a POI shift of more than X MOA when using 175 gr. FGMM, etc? Has the engineering and science side of things made this possible? You can use your buddy's TranQuilo, as if it's the one you forgot and left in the safe. |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
You can use your buddy's TranQuilo, as if it's the one you forgot and left in the safe. Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By samiam513:
It is possible to make the POI shift predictible in production like it is accuracy with a barrel? So, a LT barrel with a LT can will not have a POI shift of more than X MOA when using 175 gr. FGMM, etc? Has the engineering and science side of things made this possible? You can use your buddy's TranQuilo, as if it's the one you forgot and left in the safe. 
Very cool. |
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The picture of the target is self-explanatory! The results are as you would expect when you hang almost 1.5 lbs on the end of a barrel. Putting any amount of tension/weight on the barrel will change the harmonics of the barrel, thus the POI from zero without the weight.
As others have already mentioned on the other thread, if the POI is repeatable then there isn't an issue. I have 2 zeros for my tOBR. When I put the suppressor on (SWR Specwar 7.62 24 oz) i know that all I need to do is come up 2.25 MOA adj or 0.6 mils on my scope. Your results are exactly what i get with mine. Still waiting on a 260 Rem sparrel! |
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what was the process for the shooter?
5 shots supressed/5 shots unsupressed? 10 shots, alternating between can and no can, remove and install after each shot?(1 w/can, 1 w/no can, 1/wcan, 1 w/no can....etc) |
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Originally Posted By ozzie839:
what was the process for the shooter? 5 shots supressed/5 shots unsupressed? 10 shots, alternating between can and no can, remove and install after each shot?(1 w/can, 1 w/no can, 1/wcan, 1 w/no can....etc) Gun was sighted dead on with can, took can off, shot 3, they hit 2.5" high, put can back on and shot 3 more. If I can squeeze it in today, I'll do your last sentence , on a Siete 308 and maybe a tAR 5.56. |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Gun was sighted dead on with can, took can off, shot 3, they hit 2.5" high, put can back on and shot 3 more. If I can squeeze it in today, I'll do your last sentence , on a Siete 308 and maybe a tAR 5.56. Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By ozzie839:
what was the process for the shooter? 5 shots supressed/5 shots unsupressed? 10 shots, alternating between can and no can, remove and install after each shot?(1 w/can, 1 w/no can, 1/wcan, 1 w/no can....etc) Gun was sighted dead on with can, took can off, shot 3, they hit 2.5" high, put can back on and shot 3 more. If I can squeeze it in today, I'll do your last sentence , on a Siete 308 and maybe a tAR 5.56. Now you're just showing off! 
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Gun was sighted dead on with can, took can off, shot 3, they hit 2.5" high, put can back on and shot 3 more. If I can squeeze it in today, I'll do your last sentence , on a Siete 308 and maybe a tAR 5.56. Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By ozzie839:
what was the process for the shooter? 5 shots supressed/5 shots unsupressed? 10 shots, alternating between can and no can, remove and install after each shot?(1 w/can, 1 w/no can, 1/wcan, 1 w/no can....etc) Gun was sighted dead on with can, took can off, shot 3, they hit 2.5" high, put can back on and shot 3 more. If I can squeeze it in today, I'll do your last sentence , on a Siete 308 and maybe a tAR 5.56. very cool, to me this would be the ultimate repeatability test, not only for the gun but the can as well |
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| also Mark if you really wanted to get some good data, with the TOBR you could run the same 10 shot test with all barrel lengths to see how much shift there is, so long as your are using ammo from the same batch, and the same shooter the barrel becomes your only variable |
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Originally Posted By ozzie839:
also Mark if you really wanted to get some good data, with the TOBR you could run the same 10 shot test with all barrel lengths to see how much shift there is, so long as your are using ammo from the same batch, and the same shooter the barrel becomes your only variable Soon as we got a loose month of Sundays. 
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and tens of thousands of civilian shooters - ML
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Soon as we got a loose month of Sundays. Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By ozzie839:
also Mark if you really wanted to get some good data, with the TOBR you could run the same 10 shot test with all barrel lengths to see how much shift there is, so long as your are using ammo from the same batch, and the same shooter the barrel becomes your only variable Soon as we got a loose month of Sundays. I'm free this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday if needed. |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
In what way ? Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By mettee:
interesting In what way ? I would like to get hands on and gain some experience myself. The shift is very minimal, and almost looks like its bound to have the same results from gun to gun(with slight variation). I am interested in seeing and feeling the mounting method and the lock ring. I have a 762 14.5 tobr, and it has the socom brake on it. Its gonna be harder for me to switch out so I would want to be sure. |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
JM is one and the same - John knocked a .182" out with that same 260 today. Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By TheLion:
If JM is John Mailloux he's awesome. Oh yeah and about the picture, NICE! JM is one and the same - John knocked a .182" out with that same 260 today. Mark I will second this, John is great to talk to |
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Originally Posted By mettee:
I would like to get hands on and gain some experience myself. The shift is very minimal, and almost looks like its bound to have the same results from gun to gun(with slight variation). I am interested in seeing and feeling the mounting method and the lock ring. I have a 762 14.5 tobr, and it has the socom brake on it. Its gonna be harder for me to switch out so I would want to be sure. Originally Posted By mettee:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By mettee:
interesting In what way ? I would like to get hands on and gain some experience myself. The shift is very minimal, and almost looks like its bound to have the same results from gun to gun(with slight variation). I am interested in seeing and feeling the mounting method and the lock ring. I have a 762 14.5 tobr, and it has the socom brake on it. Its gonna be harder for me to switch out so I would want to be sure. Just make the trip out and shoot mine. It'll be here before you know it which will be time to come to OK again
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These aren't the droids you're looking for...
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Originally Posted By TylerPatz:
Just make the trip out and shoot mine. It'll be here before you know it which will be time to come to OK again
Originally Posted By TylerPatz:
Originally Posted By mettee:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By mettee:
interesting In what way ? I would like to get hands on and gain some experience myself. The shift is very minimal, and almost looks like its bound to have the same results from gun to gun(with slight variation). I am interested in seeing and feeling the mounting method and the lock ring. I have a 762 14.5 tobr, and it has the socom brake on it. Its gonna be harder for me to switch out so I would want to be sure. Just make the trip out and shoot mine. It'll be here before you know it which will be time to come to OK again
I know I know. You know how I get all technical and ish 
Mark it looks nice, Id honestly just need experience and to be sure given the situation 
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Soon as we got a loose month of Sundays. Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By ozzie839:
also Mark if you really wanted to get some good data, with the TOBR you could run the same 10 shot test with all barrel lengths to see how much shift there is, so long as your are using ammo from the same batch, and the same shooter the barrel becomes your only variable Soon as we got a loose month of Sundays. how's the last couple of sunday's looked? 
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MR, I have two TranQuilos and a UDE in the order file. I did the Texan Valet so as soon as I get them, I can post some results also. I have a 16" tOBR and the Costa 5.56 also. Ordered plenty of muzzle mounts. This will be fun. BTW, thanks for the "early adopters" special on the second TranQuilo for taking the L.E.P.E. of faith!!  --> |
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Originally Posted By icecold1:
I too have a ude on order along with a couple tranquilos,can't wait to get the supressors and start testing them.i wonder if the poi will be the same so the supressors can be interchanged without different dopes. What was the early adaptor special? Pete The people that ordered in the first week get a coupon for another TranQuilo for 1/2 off.
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Originally Posted By scarshooter:
I would love a Tranquilo, I'm just so heavily invested in SureFire. Take trade in's? Mark, will you be offering a service to remove the originally spec'd brake and then P&W LaRue brakes on 14.5in rifles for local TranQuilo buyers? Maybe as part of TX Valet...? |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/AUSTINWFT/LT%20Post/image001_zpsrtbyo19p.jpg Nice package |
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Originally Posted By ozzie839:
Nice package Originally Posted By ozzie839:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/AUSTINWFT/LT%20Post/image001_zpsrtbyo19p.jpg Nice package ...
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/AUSTINWFT/LT%20Post/image001_zpsrtbyo19p.jpg Very cool.  Can't wait to try one.
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mark,
is the supressor the only part shipping to the dealer and the rest comes to the purchaser with the swag package,as we all know the holdup is likely the hats being made .
id really like to get the muzzle devices mounted during the wait for the stamp,plus it is less for the dealer to keep track of. so whats shipping where?id really like to be shooting mine when spring arrives in mn.so get the hats and start sending these out. thanks pete |
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My TranQuilo is in route to my SOT. I send him an email giving him a heads up and the tracking number.
He emailed back that a small box from LaRue has arrived for me. LT swag I'm guessing. I'll find out Thursday when I go to pickup the Form4's |
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