Posted: 4/9/2015 4:05:25 PM EDT
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Instead of derailing the Warsport Vs. Laue thread I created a new one. Sorry I cannot figure out the embedding thing.
Sling retention bands |
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Watched the video, good explanation. I now understand the purpose but I have questions
I'm curious why introduce two failure points to your sling (push button and buckle) so you can quickly remove or employ it only to strap the sling down? Why not just take it off and put it in your rifle "kit"? Or run a single point? Maybe there is a policy you have to have it for retention for the weapon or what not but it just seems like a lot of risk for not much return IMHO. |
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Watched the video, good explanation. I now understand the purpose but I have questions I'm curious why introduce two failure points to your sling (push button and buckle) so you can quickly remove or employ it only to strap the sling down? Why not just take it off and put it in your rifle "kit"? Or run a single point? Maybe there is a policy you have to have it for retention for the weapon or what not but it just seems like a lot of risk for not much return IMHO. I would not consider the QD swivels and buckle as points of failure. The purpose on retaining the sling against the gun is about keeping the sling from hanging on the arm rest or something else when I am trying to get it out of the car.The sling on my work gun has been in use for almost 8 years without any types of failure from the swivels or buckle. The QD swivels would easily support my weight and I am sure the side release buckle would for a short period of time. The side release buckle's main purpose is to give the user the ability to cut away from the rifle if needed. I haven't been in nor do I hope to be in a situation where I need to cut away but if I were I like the idea of being able to do it quickly without digging for or fumbling with a knife. When would I need to cut away? There are environments where machinery could become tangled with the rifle or sling and I need to get away from it or get sucked in. There have been LEO's killed when there traffic vest was snagged by a passing car and there was not way to get out of it. Now most traffic vests have a tear away feature so it is not beyond reason to assume there could be times when I need to get away from the rifle and I don't have the time to dig for my knife or the desire to bring an exposed blade into an already volatile situation. Putting the sling on or trying to dig it out of a "rifle kit" when things get stupid is not an option; the sling has to be attached to the rifle and ready to use regardless Even if my agency didn't have a policy requiring a sling on all long guns I would still have a sling on it as I do with my home defense gun. The purpose of having a sling is not about convenience of carry, it is about retaining the weapon when both hands are needed for something else because setting your rifle down for some one else to pick up is not an option. |
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Instead of derailing the Warsport Vs. Laue thread I created a new one. Sorry I cannot figure out the embedding thing. Sling retention bands Thanks for the vid, very cool |
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I would not consider the QD swivels and buckle as points of failure. The purpose on retaining the sling against the gun is about keeping the sling from hanging on the arm rest or something else when I am trying to get it out of the car.The sling on my work gun has been in use for almost 8 years without any types of failure from the swivels or buckle. The QD swivels would easily support my weight and I am sure the side release buckle would for a short period of time. The side release buckle's main purpose is to give the user the ability to cut away from the rifle if needed. I haven't been in nor do I hope to be in a situation where I need to cut away but if I were I like the idea of being able to do it quickly without digging for or fumbling with a knife. When would I need to cut away? There are environments where machinery could become tangled with the rifle or sling and I need to get away from it or get sucked in. There have been LEO's killed when there traffic vest was snagged by a passing car and there was not way to get out of it. Now most traffic vests have a tear away feature so it is not beyond reason to assume there could be times when I need to get away from the rifle and I don't have the time to dig for my knife or the desire to bring an exposed blade into an already volatile situation. Putting the sling on or trying to dig it out of a "rifle kit" when things get stupid is not an option; the sling has to be attached to the rifle and ready to use regardless Even if my agency didn't have a policy requiring a sling on all long guns I would still have a sling on it as I do with my home defense gun. The purpose of having a sling is not about convenience of carry, it is about retaining the weapon when both hands are needed for something else because setting your rifle down for some one else to pick up is not an option. Quoted:
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Watched the video, good explanation. I now understand the purpose but I have questions I'm curious why introduce two failure points to your sling (push button and buckle) so you can quickly remove or employ it only to strap the sling down? Why not just take it off and put it in your rifle "kit"? Or run a single point? Maybe there is a policy you have to have it for retention for the weapon or what not but it just seems like a lot of risk for not much return IMHO. I would not consider the QD swivels and buckle as points of failure. The purpose on retaining the sling against the gun is about keeping the sling from hanging on the arm rest or something else when I am trying to get it out of the car.The sling on my work gun has been in use for almost 8 years without any types of failure from the swivels or buckle. The QD swivels would easily support my weight and I am sure the side release buckle would for a short period of time. The side release buckle's main purpose is to give the user the ability to cut away from the rifle if needed. I haven't been in nor do I hope to be in a situation where I need to cut away but if I were I like the idea of being able to do it quickly without digging for or fumbling with a knife. When would I need to cut away? There are environments where machinery could become tangled with the rifle or sling and I need to get away from it or get sucked in. There have been LEO's killed when there traffic vest was snagged by a passing car and there was not way to get out of it. Now most traffic vests have a tear away feature so it is not beyond reason to assume there could be times when I need to get away from the rifle and I don't have the time to dig for my knife or the desire to bring an exposed blade into an already volatile situation. Putting the sling on or trying to dig it out of a "rifle kit" when things get stupid is not an option; the sling has to be attached to the rifle and ready to use regardless Even if my agency didn't have a policy requiring a sling on all long guns I would still have a sling on it as I do with my home defense gun. The purpose of having a sling is not about convenience of carry, it is about retaining the weapon when both hands are needed for something else because setting your rifle down for some one else to pick up is not an option. I'm not trying to be argumentative just trying to better understand the application so I can adopt/change/recommend appropriately or keep my big yap shut. I get the weapon rack and all the stuff you have to get around to deploy the weapon. I'm using failure point as anything that is not a solid piece. That could be webbing, steel, aluminum or any moving part. Not saying the parts you have are not quality or they "will" break just that it adds complexity and vulnerability to the system and in this case both accomplish a similar end state. If the sling is only about retention then I'd really recommend something else less complex and more streamlined but my version of getting in and out of vehicles and the junk I wear is different so YMMV. |
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I'm not trying to be argumentative just trying to better understand the application so I can adopt/change/recommend appropriately or keep my big yap shut. I get the weapon rack and all the stuff you have to get around to deploy the weapon. I'm using failure point as anything that is not a solid piece. That could be webbing, steel, aluminum or any moving part. Not saying the parts you have are not quality or they "will" break just that it adds complexity and vulnerability to the system and in this case both accomplish a similar end state. If the sling is only about retention then I'd really recommend something else less complex and more streamlined but my version of getting in and out of vehicles and the junk I wear is different so YMMV. I don't view your point as argumentative and hopefully my response won't seem that way either. It's a matter of "to each his own" with slings as with everything else on these guns. I've tried more than a few slings and as far as I am concerned single point slings suck balls; tried 'em, don't like 'em won't waist my money on another. We can just agree to disagree on what is and is not a failure point. The swivels came with the sling so it is not like I added them; I have never seen one of these swivels fail and never heard of one failing. If I were to pick what I thought would fail first it would be the slides. not the buckle. The sling is about retention but having the added feature of rapid adjustment (the metal cam buckle) was an important requirement when picking a sling. This sling is the fastest to adjust both in and out. If I need to go hands on with someone I want the rifle as tight to my body as possible and if I need to transition to the left shoulder I want to be able to loosen it quickly. I don't like the idea of swinging the rifle behind my back and hooking it behind my sidearm is not an option. If I were wearing full battle rattle riding around in a Humvee and my rifle was the only firearm I carried I might have a different outlook on slings but for what I do and the situations under which I deploy my rifle this is the best sling for me. I could live without the side release buckle but I suspect it was put on for guys that wear all that junk as it makes it easier to get the rifle off. I have come accustom to and like the QD Swivels |
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QD Swivels are awesome for changing the sling configuration of one's weapon on the fly as the mission or circumstances dictate. If one has outfitted their weapon with multiple QD mounting points (forend QD sockets, end plate socket and stock equipped with QD sockets) one can make their rifle lay exactly as one wishes regardless of the task at hand.
The fastex buckle mounted on the forward end of the sling is a must for assaulters who are roping out of rotary wing aircraft or other moving platforms in which they could possibly be snagged by their weapon upon infil or exfil. That has been my experience at least..... YMMV |
| In the spirit of full disclosure I need to clarify. The front QD Swivel on this sling came from LaRue sewn in and the rear swivel was held in place with a slide. I removed the rear slide and placed in on the front of the sling to assure the sling doesn't loosen and as a back up to the other slide. I then had the rear swivel sewn in place by a local sail and rigging shop. The guy that did the work has been sewing sails and rigging for 30+ years so I have the feeling he knows what he is doing. |
| Great video! I've had some experience wrestling shotguns and rifles out of my own work vehicle and this seems like a really good solution. I even have a few old bike inner tubes in the garage. I also appreciate the tip on the cleaning cloth, that FL heat and humidity is nasty on optics and glasses when you roll out of the car. Summer is coming!!! |
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Great video! I've had some experience wrestling shotguns and rifles out of my own work vehicle and this seems like a really good solution. I even have a few old bike inner tubes in the garage. I also appreciate the tip on the cleaning cloth, that FL heat and humidity is nasty on optics and glasses when you roll out of the car. Summer is coming!!! It certainly comes in handy. All I did was double up a short piece of paracord, tie a knot in the tag ends, slipped the loop through a hole in the stock and clipped the cloth to the loop. |