Posted: 3/31/2014 9:17:01 PM EDT
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My recent purchase from LaRue was a PredatObr 16 inch--included with the gun is the AR Gold Trigger...I have all my life used the mil spec 2 stage trigger of some sorts in the AR/M4 platform and I am now addicted to the functions of this trigger group. Yesterday a friend and I were scheduled to shoot a three gun match in North Carolina but it was cancelled due to flooding so we went to our outdoor range. I set up a couple of steel IPSIC targets at 200 yards--one target A zone and the other a C zone.
With my PredatObr and a T1 Micro-(1 power) seated using standard Winchester white box 5.56 55 grain began pinging the steel. After some time I was able to fire 6 to 8 shots ( not on the timer this time--but next time for sure) in rapid succession (< 1 sec per shot) with accuracy on the A zone steel target!. Up to this point it was all fun but then I realized this trigger/rifle combo is something to behold, something special for sure. The reset on the AR Gold Trigger is amazing to say the least along with the crisp 3 lb pull I was able at distance to engage a small still steel target with follow up shots with speed! The endorsements behind the trigger are solid and I so far am sold on it. Anybody else have their experiences on the AR Gold Trigger? Back to the range on the steel out to 300 and beyond--600 this weekend...A little bit bigger bullet like a .308 might ring the steel at 600 louder---Predatobr 7.62, oh yea...14inch. |
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Yep. If I ever find the funds for an LT rifle, that is what it will be!. With a perm welded FH, since I am in an shit state.  Quoted:
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That would be my dream rifle...14.5" 7.62 tOBR. That would be fun. Yep. If I ever find the funds for an LT rifle, that is what it will be!. With a perm welded FH, since I am in an shit state. Mine would have the Surefire SOCOM brake...eventually it'd be cool to get a suppressor for it. |
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I'm still a little uncertain about the trigger ... Had some issue with it the first time out, took it out again yesterday and it felt a little better but I swear I'm getting inconsistent pull, sometimes it's right on and beautiful, others, it feels like it's a real struggle. I know, I know ... hit it with my purse.
One more trip out this Saturday will probably seal it either way. |
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It is a different animal for sure, more like an 1911 pull/break...took a few range days to wrap my head around it...Jerry's V-tac drill proves the speed of the trigger for sure, like doing a bill drill... the reset is wicked.
Time will tell the longevity and reliability of the trigger. For me the other change in the trigger is the width of the trigger and having to get used to the narrow bow. If your still having issues with it I would call LT. |
| I LOVE this trigger on the PredatOBR. I shoot 3 gun as well with mine and it is so amazing. It does feel like my STI 1911 trigger and I don't think I could go back to a 2 stage trigger. I like the idea of dropping in this trigger into other platforms, I will definitely be doing the same in my next build. I want to build an ultra light platform this next year. |
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It is a different animal for sure, more like an 1911 pull/break...took a few range days to wrap my head around it...Jerry's V-tac drill proves the speed of the trigger for sure, like doing a bill drill... the reset is wicked. Time will tell the longevity and reliability of the trigger. For me the other change in the trigger is the width of the trigger and having to get used to the narrow bow. If your still having issues with it I would call LT. Agreed. This trigger is very comparable to my Brown and Wilson 1911's. I love this trigger in my 762 tOBR shooting off a bench. .I'm not sure one way or another whether I'll like it as much in my 14.5 556 tOBR when I get it, time will tell although I do know I won't dislike it regardless. |
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After shooting USPSA for 2 years Florida open, Florida state, Area 6, 8 and the sectionals in my area I do know a nice trigger break...shooting an open pistol in 38 sc is my Akai Shogun with a 2.5 lb pull it is fast. My Brazos also has a tune 2011 trigger breaking finer than an Italian wine in Tuscany! For me it is about speed, target engagement, transition, follow up and Victory!
He who shoots first and fast with accuracy usually wins...and why I am liking the AR-Gold trigger and I suppose it is also what you train with that makes the difference. Just my 0.2 |
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In my opinion, it's a good trigger, but not what I wanted in my tOBR.
I replaced it with a Highspeed DMR after several hundred rounds and a carbine match. Will take the tOBR to the next match with the DMR and see what I prefer. In addition I have one that will only work with the supplied safety, which has a very heavy hangup at 45' or with permanent modification to the trigger or another safety, so that does impact my opinion. I will likely bring 3 lowers with me to the range at some point soon to make my final decision. (DMR, AR Gold and S3G) |
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Agreed. This trigger is very comparable to my Brown and Wilson 1911's. I love this trigger in my 762 tOBR shooting off a bench. .I'm not sure one way or another whether I'll like it as much in my 14.5 556 tOBR when I get it, time will tell although I do know I won't dislike it regardless. Quoted:
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It is a different animal for sure, more like an 1911 pull/break...took a few range days to wrap my head around it...Jerry's V-tac drill proves the speed of the trigger for sure, like doing a bill drill... the reset is wicked. Time will tell the longevity and reliability of the trigger. For me the other change in the trigger is the width of the trigger and having to get used to the narrow bow. If your still having issues with it I would call LT. Agreed. This trigger is very comparable to my Brown and Wilson 1911's. I love this trigger in my 762 tOBR shooting off a bench. .I'm not sure one way or another whether I'll like it as much in my 14.5 556 tOBR when I get it, time will tell although I do know I won't dislike it regardless. Very interesting you make the Wilson comparison ... I have four of them in the family and the black gold in my tOBR doesn't strike me as similar. I'll add a couple to the range bag for Saturday for comparison sake. At the end of the day, I dig single stages (my Wilson ARs for instance are all single stage TTUs), maybe I just have one out of spec. Just FYI, I do dig the reset, just for some reason, the pull seems inconsistent to me. I'm sure it's a me thing ... Will know Saturday :) |
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I just got my tOBR today, and haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. Comparing the tOBR trigger to my Timney 3lb was surprising. Although the pull weight is close to the same they behave very differently. The Timney being a single stage has zero take-up. You just put 3lbs of pressure on it and then, click...like a glass rod, reset is exactly the same travel but in reverse, in other words almost no movement to reset. The AR Black/Gold trigger is more akin to a two stage trigger with a slight take-up first, then a firm wall. Put pressure on that wall and then, click...like a glass rod. Reset seems short, but not nearly as short as the Timney. The big difference is the reset is very tactile. You can hear and feel it unlike the Timney which has a bit of a "mushy" reset that's almost inaudible. The other difference is the width of the two triggers. I do have to say I certainly like the width of the Timney better, but tOBR is pretty thin and doesn't lend a great feeling trigger.
Once I spend some time back to back with them on the range however we will really get to see which one I prefer. |
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Very interesting you make the Wilson comparison ... I have four of them in the family and the black gold in my tOBR doesn't strike me as similar. I'll add a couple to the range bag for Saturday for comparison sake. At the end of the day, I dig single stages (my Wilson ARs for instance are all single stage TTUs), maybe I just have one out of spec. Just FYI, I do dig the reset, just for some reason, the pull seems inconsistent to me. I'm sure it's a me thing ... Will know Saturday :) Quoted:
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It is a different animal for sure, more like an 1911 pull/break...took a few range days to wrap my head around it...Jerry's V-tac drill proves the speed of the trigger for sure, like doing a bill drill... the reset is wicked. Time will tell the longevity and reliability of the trigger. For me the other change in the trigger is the width of the trigger and having to get used to the narrow bow. If your still having issues with it I would call LT. Agreed. This trigger is very comparable to my Brown and Wilson 1911's. I love this trigger in my 762 tOBR shooting off a bench. .I'm not sure one way or another whether I'll like it as much in my 14.5 556 tOBR when I get it, time will tell although I do know I won't dislike it regardless. Very interesting you make the Wilson comparison ... I have four of them in the family and the black gold in my tOBR doesn't strike me as similar. I'll add a couple to the range bag for Saturday for comparison sake. At the end of the day, I dig single stages (my Wilson ARs for instance are all single stage TTUs), maybe I just have one out of spec. Just FYI, I do dig the reset, just for some reason, the pull seems inconsistent to me. I'm sure it's a me thing ... Will know Saturday :) If the weather here in Michigan ever gets warm enough I'll take my WC Professional, Brown Classic Custom and tOBR out for a side by side comparison. |
I was really hoping to come into this thread to find a big complaint and offer to trade one of my Geiselle triggers for your AR Gold trigger. 
I run the AR Gold in my 3-gun rifle and LOVE it! I've been considering replacing the triggers in both of my OBR's (SD-E and SD3G) with AR Gold triggers I like it so much! |
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Roger that! I am curious if there are some of you guys out there with your new 7.62 guns liking the gold trigger as well...I would think it would be even more liked? Thanks gents! Just finished a MEGA MATEN in .308 with a TOBR black gold trigger. It's buit on the heavy side as a bench gun (heavy barrel, PRS stock, bipod, long range optic, etc.) Uh. Maze. Ing. I've used Jard, Geissele, RRA NM, and some others. I love the gold trigger. |
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I spent a total of 6hr this weekend behind my AR Gold equipped tOBR and my Timney 3lb equipped Noveske. I’ve had Giselle triggers before, and was never wowed by them. They were certainly far better than a stock trigger, and better than the RRA National Match trigger I had as well, but they never made me go “wow”. Giselle triggers to me just felt clean. Like taking a stock AR trigger, remove all the grit, all the slop, reducing over travel and reducing the pull weight a bit. They are what our boys in the sand pit should be running. The first time I pulled a Timney AR trigger I actually said “wow”. EVERYONE I have handed my Timney to has also had that experience. To this point, the Timney has been my gold standard for an AR trigger.
Playing with the AR Gold on the bench it felt very good. It has a slight first stage that the Timney doesn’t have. I’m not sure if I like that or not, it doesn’t really seem to be of benefit or detriment either way, and is probably more of a preference thing. To be honest I never missed it when I left my two stage triggers and jumped over to the Timney single stage bandwagon. But now that I have it back, I do like it. My carry pistol is a P30 LEM, so it reminds me of the very light first stage HK built into their LEM trigger. It just lets you have a light tactile feedback that your finger is on the trigger and not quite loading the sear yet. Actually shooting there were more similarities between the Timney and the AR Gold than differences. The pull weight, pull length, over travel (or complete lack of it), trigger location, all were too similar to notice a difference. The big thing that I *thought* I would notice and not like, the thin trigger itself, I never even thought about. Shooting the AR Gold was very similar to the Timney, zero over travel, clean crisp break, no grit, no slop, and I never really noticed the almost invisible first stage. The big difference was the reset. The AR Gold has a firm tactile reset that the Timney is missing. That is the only appreciable difference I actually found. Because of the light first stage, and the firm tactile reset, I do have to say I prefer the AR Gold over my Timney. After running them back to back the Timney feels more like a bolt gun trigger placed in an AR. Nothing wrong with that at all, that’d be like taking a 1911 trigger and putting it in my HK, I’d LOVE it if someone figured that out. But the AR Gold feels like an AR trigger that has been tuned to bolt gun standards. The firm reset is something that allows easier follow up shots; and the first stage allows you to know you are on the trigger, but not the sear. Things that aren’t that important on the bench, but are important if you are into gun-games, or (God forbid) in a self defense situation with your AR. Will I replace my Timney with an AR Gold? Nope. Will I ever buy another Timney? Nope, not as long as I can get an AR Gold. |
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Roger that! I am curious if there are some of you guys out there with your new 7.62 guns liking the gold trigger as well...I would think it would be even more liked? Thanks gents! I think it feels great in both of them. The only thing I didn't like about it in the 7.62 is it didn't work with the BADASS. It doesn't seem to be giving anyone issues in the 5.56. |
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I think it feels great in both of them. The only thing I didn't like about it in the 7.62 is it didn't work with the BADASS. It doesn't seem to be giving anyone issues in the 5.56. It didn't work with a BADASS in my 5.56. If I get a nice day I'm going to side-by-side the AR Gold and Geisselle HS-DMR with my tOBR upper on two lowers. |
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It didn't work with a BADASS in my 5.56. If I get a nice day I'm going to side-by-side the AR Gold and Geisselle HS-DMR with my tOBR upper on two lowers. Quoted:
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I think it feels great in both of them. The only thing I didn't like about it in the 7.62 is it didn't work with the BADASS. It doesn't seem to be giving anyone issues in the 5.56. It didn't work with a BADASS in my 5.56. If I get a nice day I'm going to side-by-side the AR Gold and Geisselle HS-DMR with my tOBR upper on two lowers. Well I guess I was wrong on that one. It is working great in mine and I had seen posts of others saying they weren't having an issue, but that just shows what happens when you make an assumption like I did. 
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After some serious bench time this weekend due to crappy weather and tourney's at the range, I found that much of my complaint with the Black Gold is due to position of my finger on the trigger ... The further up the bow, the greater pull strength required to the point where if I'm just above center in the bow, it feels like i'm pulling a 16lb trigger ... if I drop down to the trigger guard (and subsequently, the literal point of the trigger) the pull, break, travel, reset etc. is all very good. For me, this position is pretty unstable, has been inconsistent and not something I dig ...
Anyone else seeing this variance ? I have a new trigger pull gauge in flight that I'm going to verify my feel with but until then ... |
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After some serious bench time this weekend due to crappy weather and tourney's at the range, I found that much of my complaint with the Black Gold is due to position of my finger on the trigger ... The further up the bow, the greater pull strength required to the point where if I'm just above center in the bow, it feels like i'm pulling a 16lb trigger ... if I drop down to the trigger guard (and subsequently, the literal point of the trigger) the pull, break, travel, reset etc. is all very good. For me, this position is pretty unstable, has been inconsistent and not something I dig ... Anyone else seeing this variance ? I have a new trigger pull gauge in flight that I'm going to verify my feel with but until then ... You just described the basic physics behind a lever. 
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You just described the basic physics behind a lever.
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After some serious bench time this weekend due to crappy weather and tourney's at the range, I found that much of my complaint with the Black Gold is due to position of my finger on the trigger ... The further up the bow, the greater pull strength required to the point where if I'm just above center in the bow, it feels like i'm pulling a 16lb trigger ... if I drop down to the trigger guard (and subsequently, the literal point of the trigger) the pull, break, travel, reset etc. is all very good. For me, this position is pretty unstable, has been inconsistent and not something I dig ... Anyone else seeing this variance ? I have a new trigger pull gauge in flight that I'm going to verify my feel with but until then ... You just described the basic physics behind a lever.
ETA: http://www.anarchyinthesandbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/its-science-anchorman.gif And you're a genius ... I realize its a lever, but from a trigger perspective, I've never had one that gave this variance ... And from a tactile perspective, the extremely narrow profile of the trigger threw me so I kept trying to go back up the bow to get to a point I felt decent feedback. Soooo ... After 150 rounds behind the trigger yesterday, I was able to finally get a feel for the trigger and understand where the feedback and break weight were consistent ... Still not perfect for me but I'm not totally confused by it anymore. As an aside, I also ran a few rounds through a number of my other guns for comparison (all single stage) ... I still do not find the BG to be especially similar to any of them. |
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It is a different animal for sure, more like an 1911 pull/break...took a few range days to wrap my head around it...Jerry's V-tac drill proves the speed of the trigger for sure, like doing a bill drill... the reset is wicked. Time will tell the longevity and reliability of the trigger. For me the other change in the trigger is the width of the trigger and having to get used to the narrow bow. If your still having issues with it I would call LT. Agreed. This trigger is very comparable to my Brown and Wilson 1911's. I love this trigger in my 762 tOBR shooting off a bench. .I'm not sure one way or another whether I'll like it as much in my 14.5 556 tOBR when I get it, time will tell although I do know I won't dislike it regardless. Very interesting you make the Wilson comparison ... I have four of them in the family and the black gold in my tOBR doesn't strike me as similar. I'll add a couple to the range bag for Saturday for comparison sake. At the end of the day, I dig single stages (my Wilson ARs for instance are all single stage TTUs), maybe I just have one out of spec. Just FYI, I do dig the reset, just for some reason, the pull seems inconsistent to me. I'm sure it's a me thing ... Will know Saturday :) If the weather here in Michigan ever gets warm enough I'll take my WC Professional, Brown Classic Custom and tOBR out for a side by side comparison. Suck it up, Nancy! 
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It is a different animal for sure, more like an 1911 pull/break...took a few range days to wrap my head around it...Jerry's V-tac drill proves the speed of the trigger for sure, like doing a bill drill... the reset is wicked. Time will tell the longevity and reliability of the trigger. For me the other change in the trigger is the width of the trigger and having to get used to the narrow bow. If your still having issues with it I would call LT. Agreed. This trigger is very comparable to my Brown and Wilson 1911's. I love this trigger in my 762 tOBR shooting off a bench. .I'm not sure one way or another whether I'll like it as much in my 14.5 556 tOBR when I get it, time will tell although I do know I won't dislike it regardless. Very interesting you make the Wilson comparison ... I have four of them in the family and the black gold in my tOBR doesn't strike me as similar. I'll add a couple to the range bag for Saturday for comparison sake. At the end of the day, I dig single stages (my Wilson ARs for instance are all single stage TTUs), maybe I just have one out of spec. Just FYI, I do dig the reset, just for some reason, the pull seems inconsistent to me. I'm sure it's a me thing ... Will know Saturday :) If the weather here in Michigan ever gets warm enough I'll take my WC Professional, Brown Classic Custom and tOBR out for a side by side comparison. I think Corner Pocket was confusing your Wilson 1911 trigger with the Wilson TTU (Tactical Trigger Unit) for AR-15's. I like the Wilson single stage TTU, but you have a slightly lighter trigger pull on the AR Gold vs the Wilson TTU (3# vs 4#). Both break cleanly and both have extremely short take up and reset, and for my purposes, I am not replacing my Wilson with the AR, nor vice-versa...... |
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It is a different animal for sure, more like an 1911 pull/break...took a few range days to wrap my head around it...Jerry's V-tac drill proves the speed of the trigger for sure, like doing a bill drill... the reset is wicked. Time will tell the longevity and reliability of the trigger. For me the other change in the trigger is the width of the trigger and having to get used to the narrow bow. If your still having issues with it I would call LT. Agreed. This trigger is very comparable to my Brown and Wilson 1911's. I love this trigger in my 762 tOBR shooting off a bench. .I'm not sure one way or another whether I'll like it as much in my 14.5 556 tOBR when I get it, time will tell although I do know I won't dislike it regardless. Very interesting you make the Wilson comparison ... I have four of them in the family and the black gold in my tOBR doesn't strike me as similar. I'll add a couple to the range bag for Saturday for comparison sake. At the end of the day, I dig single stages (my Wilson ARs for instance are all single stage TTUs), maybe I just have one out of spec. Just FYI, I do dig the reset, just for some reason, the pull seems inconsistent to me. I'm sure it's a me thing ... Will know Saturday :) If the weather here in Michigan ever gets warm enough I'll take my WC Professional, Brown Classic Custom and tOBR out for a side by side comparison. Suck it up, Nancy! http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t378/bad_company1/Smilies/grinfinger.gif http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t378/bad_company1/bench.jpg Fify degrees and sunny. Heading out to the Barry County Conservation Club to enjoy the heat wave. 
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I was really hoping to come into this thread to find a big complaint and offer to trade one of my Geiselle triggers for your AR Gold trigger.
I run the AR Gold in my 3-gun rifle and LOVE it! I've been considering replacing the triggers in both of my OBR's (SD-E and SD3G) with AR Gold triggers I like it so much! Haha. I traded off all of my SSA-Es a few months ago for Larue Black Golds. I think it worked out great because I am happy with the Black Gold triggers and the guys that I traded with are (presumably) happy to get a Geissele trigger to replace the Black Gold on their tOBRs. Everyone wins!
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Haha. I traded off all of my SSA-Es a few months ago for Larue Black Golds. I think it worked out great because I am happy with the Black Gold triggers and the guys that I traded with are (presumably) happy to get a Geissele trigger to replace the Black Gold on their tOBRs. Everyone wins!
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I was really hoping to come into this thread to find a big complaint and offer to trade one of my Geiselle triggers for your AR Gold trigger.
I run the AR Gold in my 3-gun rifle and LOVE it! I've been considering replacing the triggers in both of my OBR's (SD-E and SD3G) with AR Gold triggers I like it so much! Haha. I traded off all of my SSA-Es a few months ago for Larue Black Golds. I think it worked out great because I am happy with the Black Gold triggers and the guys that I traded with are (presumably) happy to get a Geissele trigger to replace the Black Gold on their tOBRs. Everyone wins!
Thanks for the trade. It worked out great. I am very happy with the two SSA-Es. Glad to hear that you are happy with the Black Gold triggers. Fr8dog |
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Thanks for the trade. It worked out great. I am very happy with the two SSA-Es. Glad to hear that you are happy with the Black Gold triggers. Fr8dog Quoted:
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I was really hoping to come into this thread to find a big complaint and offer to trade one of my Geiselle triggers for your AR Gold trigger.
I run the AR Gold in my 3-gun rifle and LOVE it! I've been considering replacing the triggers in both of my OBR's (SD-E and SD3G) with AR Gold triggers I like it so much! Haha. I traded off all of my SSA-Es a few months ago for Larue Black Golds. I think it worked out great because I am happy with the Black Gold triggers and the guys that I traded with are (presumably) happy to get a Geissele trigger to replace the Black Gold on their tOBRs. Everyone wins!
Thanks for the trade. It worked out great. I am very happy with the two SSA-Es. Glad to hear that you are happy with the Black Gold triggers. Fr8dog Way to go guys!!! I love it when a plan comes together!!!!!!!
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| I sent my lower back today for my 556 tOBR to finally be put together with the AR Black Gold Trigger. I run 3 other rifles with the Geissele SSA-E trigger in them and Love it. So I figured I would check and see if there is anybody out there that would be up for trading a New AR Black Gold trigger for a New or like new Geissele SSA-E trigger. Pm me if your interested. |