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3/12/2014 7:09:09 AM EDT
Since many of us are now hitting the two year mark on our orders for 5.56 tOBRs, and many over a year on their ~$1,300 lowers, I figured I would ask some questions and see if you would be able to shed some light on the situation for us.  

Previous threads had indicated that the field grade barrels were finished and you had reached the point where you were consistently making match grade barrels.  If this is the case, what order will you be producing these barrels in and do you have any estimate on the date ranges for those calibers/rifle types/barrel lengths?

If the reason for the delay in shipments is that the barrels are not yet up to your match grade standard, why did you stop shipping with the field grade barrels as an option?  At what time will those who chose to accept the field grade option be allowed to redeem the certificate for a match grade barrel?

I know I’ve seen many of these questions asked before, but I had to ask them myself as I am trying to talk myself out of sending my lower back for a refund now that I’ve hit the 2 year mark.  I’ve spent the last 2 years telling myself it would only be another month or two, it won’t be over a year, it will surely ship in 2013, it won’t go over two years.  Now I am asking, how much longer will it really be?  

I respect the level of quality that you hold your products to, and there is no doubt in my mind it will be a great rifle, I’ve seen them and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a better AR.  It would go a long way in easing some concerns for your very loyal customers, who have waited very long and through many changes, if you would take a couple minutes to answer these questions.  Thank you.
3/12/2014 7:36:56 AM EDT
[#1]
Well said .

This has been a bumpy road . I think everyone's expectations are all over the place. As the face of this company if you could take a minute and reset our expectations
That would help.
3/12/2014 9:54:54 AM EDT
[#2]
FWIW I'm sorry guys.  You have been very patient and deserve an answer.  I hope you get it.  



j
3/12/2014 2:45:59 PM EDT
[#3]
Also, if we do end up deciding to back out, why not allow those of us who have been sitting on a stripped lower for over a year the chance to buy the lower for $250 and be refunded the rest?
3/12/2014 3:20:58 PM EDT
[#4]
I dont understand how LT has let this happen.  2yrs is absolutely insane.  If I were in yalls shoes and $1-2k invested Id be irate.
3/12/2014 4:39:00 PM EDT
[#5]
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I dont understand how LT has let this happen.  2yrs is absolutely insane.  If I were in yalls shoes and $1-2k invested Id be irate.
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Irate happened way earlier in the process for me.  I'm just a mixture of frustrated and disappointed.
3/12/2014 5:03:10 PM EDT
[#6]
Finance issues maybe?  A product liability claim?  Who knows, but I am starting to worry about my $1600 that is on the table.  The wait sucks , but I can deal with that.  No information makes me question if the company even cares about the customer anymore or has bigger issues pending.  Monthly updates would shut most of us up.  Hell, maybe they want us to cancel...

As an ex banker/commercial lender, their actions would definitely send up a red flag.  For the first time in two years I am seriously considering cancelling.
3/12/2014 5:11:32 PM EDT
[#7]
Not this again...
3/12/2014 5:33:23 PM EDT
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People have asked these questions sometime in the last 2 years?  You don't say
3/12/2014 5:47:59 PM EDT
[#9]
Eventually they'll get to the 18" barrels and all of this will seem like a distant bad dream, once you're fingering your new rifle.

While not 2 years, I waited 14 months for my newly acquired 16" OBR -- and it was worth the wait, although it would have been equally great if I hadn't had to wait at all.

Yes, answers to each of your questions or regular updates would be nice, but would you rather have them working on rifles, or answering emails?  Are you really going to give up after waiting this long?

You'll always be glad you waited if you do, and you'll always wish you had waited if you don't.


M2C, YMMV

ETA:  Soon to be 15 months wait on my tAR 16"...
3/12/2014 5:50:16 PM EDT
[#10]
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Eventually they'll get to the 18" barrels and all of this will seem like a distant bad dream, once you're fingering your new rifle.

While not 2 years, I waited 14 months for my newly acquired 16" OBR -- and it was worth the wait, although it would have been equally great if I hadn't had to wait at all.

Yes, answers to each of your questions or regular updates would be nice, but would you rather have them working on rifles, or answering emails?  Are you really going to give up after waiting this long?

You'll always be glad you waited if you do, and you'll always wish you had waited if you don't.


M2C, YMMV
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I'd rather them do both.  And I'm not canceling, just probably gonna end up getting my money back for the rest of the wait.
3/12/2014 5:53:48 PM EDT
[#11]
also - it helps if you distract yourself while you're waiting by buying yourself a really nice pistol.  I did.  It works, if you work it!

ETA:  Sig Sauer p226 X-Five Competition SAO
3/12/2014 5:56:40 PM EDT
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also - it helps if you distract yourself while you're waiting by buying yourself a really nice pistol.  I did.  It works, if you work it!

ETA:  Sig Sauer p226 X-Five Competition SAO
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Oooo!  The X-Five is a work of art.  Like a Porshe 911 Turbo.  Drool.
3/12/2014 5:59:34 PM EDT
[#13]
I did that.  I bought a new scope and had my 700 action trued and rebarreled and my 762sdn6 and 51t mount to lock up nice and tight.  Now it's time for my AR to come, that's how this was supposed to work.
3/12/2014 7:01:05 PM EDT
[#14]
I bought a Costa while waiting for my 7.62 OBR. It helped a little but not as much as I thought it would.
3/12/2014 7:12:26 PM EDT
[#15]
Honestly, the worst part of the wait is the 1st month, and the last month (once they email you that it's ready-to-build, and then ships, and then the 10-day Kali waiting period)

The 1st month you just know it's going to be forever...

And the last month it just FEELS like forever...

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also - it helps if you distract yourself while you're waiting by buying yourself a really nice pistol.  I did.  It works, if you work it!

ETA:  Sig Sauer p226 X-Five Competition SAO
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Oooo!  The X-Five is a work of art.  Like a Porshe 911 Turbo.  Drool.
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Here's the X-Five in action from another thread: X-Five Action Pistol
3/12/2014 7:24:18 PM EDT
[#16]
In spite of all the online gnashing of teeth, we keep a steady pace going here ...
... and along the way today a random 16" PredatOBR, built exactly how the customer ordered it, was taken out back and shot ...






3/12/2014 7:26:53 PM EDT
[#17]
Obviously we've gotten to the point of making barrels good enough to suit the likes of us, and yeah, we're running them in production now.

ETA - The last four groups on that target above average .464" ... and you can see they don't move around much.
3/12/2014 8:56:09 PM EDT
[#18]
Thanks for the update!
3/13/2014 2:07:03 AM EDT
[#19]
Right on , thanks
3/13/2014 3:06:10 AM EDT
[#20]
Thanks for posting. They are looking great.