Posted: 9/5/2013 8:18:19 AM EDT
| Although I've just recently joined, I've been forum stalking for a while. It seems there are a lot of NightForce advocates in the Larue family and I would like to know why NF over other brands of optics. Up until recently I have been planning on purchasing either a Leupold Mk6 3-18x or a Bushnell 3.5-21x. Obviously the Bushy being the least costly option of the two. But throughout my research I keep running into NF scopes. So, I have currently added the NF ATACR 5-25x with the Mil-R ret to my list. I was surprised to find out that it fell in between the other two cost wise, depending on ret option. To sum it up, I'm more than teetering in the NF direction for the available options and price, just looking to see if someone has a decent reason not to go NF. |
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I've switched to all NF over the last couple of years. Originally I picked a couple up barely used at an incredible price...that's what got me into trying them out, nothing more. I have never been disappointed with any of them so far though. I've dealt with their customer service once and I'll say it's superb! No bullshit, no hassles, friendly and fast service. Eventually I sold the remainder of my Leupold glass off for no reason other than to put some cash in my pocket for other things. The NF has enough quality and features for me so I don't think I'd spend too much more on a different manuf. but that's just me.
Besides NF, there are ALOT of great scopes out there sub or close to their price point...Leupold,, Zeiss, SWFA, Swarovski, Bushnell Elite and a few others. I'm by no means a brand whore (I've got a cheap ass spotting scope that serves my purposes) but you do get what you pay for a lot of times. Either spend it now or spend it later after wasting your hard earned money...up to you. I prefer the spend it now and get it right the first time method. Spend some time looking through glass that others are using, ask questions, review articles and write-ups and shop around. Good luck! eta: Welcome to the forum! |
| The reticle choice and limited FFP options steered me away from them. They are great optics but there are too many quality options to not get exactly whT you want. Maybe it's just me but it seems NF is less popular these days than what it once was due to the competition stepping up thier game. At $1,200 NIB shipped the HDMR was too hard for me to pass up. |
Thanks for the replies guys. I think I still need to dig a bit deeper before I make a purchase, but these were the kind of responses I was hoping for. After BS's post, I went back and checked the NF ATACR again, and I was mistakenly thinking it was FFP. That one is a breaker for me . Back to optics homework for me...
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| Not sure where in SC you are but if you are close and want to take a look at the HDMR I have one i will be happy to let you see. I was going between the HDMR, the Vortex Razor, and the mark 6 for a while myself. They have a Razor up here at Hyatts too, but I will never give them my money, not to mention they wanted $400 more than I could get it for online. |
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The Beast is the big FFP scope from NF. It should be out in October.
I have a couple of NF F1s witth tthe H58 and H59 reticles. These are FFP 3.5 x 15. I also have the NF NXS in 2.5 x 10 with mil dot and the NXS 1 x 4. They are all great scopes. If your intended use is for occasional trips to the range and seasonal hunting you could save money with another brand and would probably never know the difference. If you require a ruggedly built optic that can withstand daily field use then (IMHO) the NF is well worth the money. Fr8Dog |
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I have five pieces for NF glass 2 X 5.5-22X56(s), 2 X 2.5-10(s) and a 1-4 compact ... I'm very fond of the big glass ... Became very familiar with them in my past life and that's carried through to the civilian life. I use them now on 338LM / Edge Bolts and 7.62 gassers
I've carried lots of others ... All good ... For what it's worth, when it was time to spend my own $$, I could have bought anything, and I bought a NF. |
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The reticle choice and limited FFP options steered me away from them. They are great optics but there are too many quality options to not get exactly whT you want. Maybe it's just me but it seems NF is less popular these days than what it once was due to the competition stepping up thier game. At $1,200 NIB shipped the HDMR was too hard for me to pass up. This, in tactical comps no ones really using them. You have to have FFP to be competitive. And their 15X FFP power is enough to hit a target out to 1000', but all the points you loose when you have to designate small targets is not worth it...you need a 20X scope for that. They are the Motorola RAZOR (top of the line at one time) of scopes, the lack of modern reticle really hurts them. They have been dogged by everybody to modernize, and the BEAST is their answer to all the complaints and lack of sales The bushnell's with the G2 Reticle is a way better deal. |
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Not sure where in SC you are but if you are close and want to take a look at the HDMR I have one i will be happy to let you see. I was going between the HDMR, the Vortex Razor, and the mark 6 for a while myself. They have a Razor up here at Hyatts too, but I will never give them my money, not to mention they wanted $400 more than I could get it for online. I used to live in Concord, still have a bit of fam up there. Don't blame you on Hyatts. Those guys and Eagle Guns both are more than a little proud of their inventory. I appreciate the offer, and if it looks like I might be in the area in the next month or so, I'll shoot you a pm to see if we can schedule something. |
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The Beast is the big FFP scope from NF. It should be out in October. I have a couple of NF F1s witth tthe H58 and H59 reticles. These are FFP 3.5 x 15. I also have the NF NXS in 2.5 x 10 with mil dot and the NXS 1 x 4. They are all great scopes. If your intended use is for occasional trips to the range and seasonal hunting you could save money with another brand and would probably never know the difference. If you require a ruggedly built optic that can withstand daily field use then (IMHO) the NF is well worth the money. Fr8Dog Between the 58 and 59, which do you prefer? Haven't had the opportunity to see either up close. The 58 looks like it would clutter the sight picture, at least on internet pictures. I'm not put off too much about price until I hit the $3k range. At that point I start to remember that I have a daughter... I also have a tendency to be rough on shit. |
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Between the 58 and 59, which do you prefer? Haven't had the opportunity to see either up close. The 58 looks like it would clutter the sight picture, at least on internet pictures. I'm not put off too much about price until I hit the $3k range. At that point I start to remember that I have a daughter... I also have a tendency to be rough on shit. Quoted:
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The Beast is the big FFP scope from NF. It should be out in October. I have a couple of NF F1s witth tthe H58 and H59 reticles. These are FFP 3.5 x 15. I also have the NF NXS in 2.5 x 10 with mil dot and the NXS 1 x 4. They are all great scopes. If your intended use is for occasional trips to the range and seasonal hunting you could save money with another brand and would probably never know the difference. If you require a ruggedly built optic that can withstand daily field use then (IMHO) the NF is well worth the money. Fr8Dog Between the 58 and 59, which do you prefer? Haven't had the opportunity to see either up close. The 58 looks like it would clutter the sight picture, at least on internet pictures. I'm not put off too much about price until I hit the $3k range. At that point I start to remember that I have a daughter... I also have a tendency to be rough on shit. The H59 is essentially an improved H58. The heavy crosshair was replaced by a broken line with a central dot so groupings are less obscured. The horizontal grid has also been expanded by 1 mil on each side for more wind holdover. If the H59 had been available when the first F1 was purchased I would have two F1s with the H59. If that does not answer your question then I also have a BEAST on order with the H59. Fr8Dog |
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Bushnell g2 great retical design those .1 lines on the outside of the retical are great for ranging http://www.libertyoptics.com/contents/media/bushnell_g2dmr_popup.jpg I agree that is what I went with and I'm happy with it so far. |
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I had my S&B 5-25 (MSR reticle) on my OBR. I've since switched over to a USO SN3 3.2-17 and put the Bender on my M40A3. Quoted:
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If I had a 7.62 OBR, I'd get an S&B 3-20 I had my S&B 5-25 (MSR reticle) on my OBR. I've since switched over to a USO SN3 3.2-17 and put the Bender on my M40A3. How do you like the S&B? I want to buy a serious piece of glass for my OBR when it comes in, but only really have the means to buy ONE. Leaning towards the S&B 5-25 with the H59 reticle. |
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How do you like the S&B? I want to buy a serious piece of glass for my OBR when it comes in, but only really have the means to buy ONE. Leaning towards the S&B 5-25 with the H59 reticle. Quoted:
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If I had a 7.62 OBR, I'd get an S&B 3-20 I had my S&B 5-25 (MSR reticle) on my OBR. I've since switched over to a USO SN3 3.2-17 and put the Bender on my M40A3. How do you like the S&B? I want to buy a serious piece of glass for my OBR when it comes in, but only really have the means to buy ONE. Leaning towards the S&B 5-25 with the H59 reticle. I have the sb 5-25 with h59. Awesome. It's on a 20" obr. It gathers more light and is clearer than any of my other scopes. Nf are very nice too. I just liked the sb power and the h59 is very clean to use to me. Only small thing is the illumination is not very bright. I would describe it as faint to the naked eye furring the day. At dusk it is just bright enough. But I don't really ever use illumination. Even at dusk the sb gathers enough light to use without illumination. I called sb us shop and he explained the h59 wasn't made for bright illumination although it works perfect with nv. Hope this helps. 
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If I had a 7.62 OBR, I'd get an S&B 3-20 I had my S&B 5-25 (MSR reticle) on my OBR. I've since switched over to a USO SN3 3.2-17 and put the Bender on my M40A3. How do you like the S&B? I want to buy a serious piece of glass for my OBR when it comes in, but only really have the means to buy ONE. Leaning towards the S&B 5-25 with the H59 reticle. I feel like the S&B are the best optics on the planet. I just don't have the dough to buy one. At the point that I will be able to get one, it will probably be a scope that I can use on multiple platforms. Just have to record all the data for each gun. |
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I have the sb 5-25 with h59. Awesome. It's on a 20" obr. It gathers more light and is clearer than any of my other scopes. Nf are very nice too. I just liked the sb power and the h59 is very clean to use to me. Only small thing is the illumination is not very bright. I would describe it as faint to the naked eye furring the day. At dusk it is just bright enough. But I don't really ever use illumination. Even at dusk the sb gathers enough light to use without illumination. I called sb us shop and he explained the h59 wasn't made for bright illumination although it works perfect with nv. Hope this helps. http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy330/elysiumsun/1AFDB129-52D3-4F32-A138-C8A617668AB1-974-0000012E21ADAD2D_zps1c068c4a.jpg Quoted:
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If I had a 7.62 OBR, I'd get an S&B 3-20 I had my S&B 5-25 (MSR reticle) on my OBR. I've since switched over to a USO SN3 3.2-17 and put the Bender on my M40A3. How do you like the S&B? I want to buy a serious piece of glass for my OBR when it comes in, but only really have the means to buy ONE. Leaning towards the S&B 5-25 with the H59 reticle. I have the sb 5-25 with h59. Awesome. It's on a 20" obr. It gathers more light and is clearer than any of my other scopes. Nf are very nice too. I just liked the sb power and the h59 is very clean to use to me. Only small thing is the illumination is not very bright. I would describe it as faint to the naked eye furring the day. At dusk it is just bright enough. But I don't really ever use illumination. Even at dusk the sb gathers enough light to use without illumination. I called sb us shop and he explained the h59 wasn't made for bright illumination although it works perfect with nv. Hope this helps. http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy330/elysiumsun/1AFDB129-52D3-4F32-A138-C8A617668AB1-974-0000012E21ADAD2D_zps1c068c4a.jpg Gorgeous! That's a 10 thousand dollar rifle you have there ;) But, if a zombie needs to be shot from a mile away, you have the means 
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How do you like the S&B? I want to buy a serious piece of glass for my OBR when it comes in, but only really have the means to buy ONE. Leaning towards the S&B 5-25 with the H59 reticle. Quoted:
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If I had a 7.62 OBR, I'd get an S&B 3-20 I had my S&B 5-25 (MSR reticle) on my OBR. I've since switched over to a USO SN3 3.2-17 and put the Bender on my M40A3. How do you like the S&B? I want to buy a serious piece of glass for my OBR when it comes in, but only really have the means to buy ONE. Leaning towards the S&B 5-25 with the H59 reticle. I love my S&B. Great glass and optical clarity. The best low light scope that i've ever looked through. I have very little experience with Horus reticles, so I don't feel comfortable sharing my impressions of them, but I love the MSR reticle. The USO is a superb optic also and I'm quite happy with its performance. Good luck with your optics acquisition(s). |
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I love my S&B. Great glass and optical clarity. The best low light scope that i've ever looked through. I have very little experience with Horus reticles, so I don't feel comfortable sharing my impressions of them, but I love the MSR reticle. The USO is a superb optic also and I'm quite happy with its performance. Good luck with your optics acquisition(s). Quoted:
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If I had a 7.62 OBR, I'd get an S&B 3-20 I had my S&B 5-25 (MSR reticle) on my OBR. I've since switched over to a USO SN3 3.2-17 and put the Bender on my M40A3. How do you like the S&B? I want to buy a serious piece of glass for my OBR when it comes in, but only really have the means to buy ONE. Leaning towards the S&B 5-25 with the H59 reticle. I love my S&B. Great glass and optical clarity. The best low light scope that i've ever looked through. I have very little experience with Horus reticles, so I don't feel comfortable sharing my impressions of them, but I love the MSR reticle. The USO is a superb optic also and I'm quite happy with its performance. Good luck with your optics acquisition(s). I had an USO for about 5 minutes until it energetically disassembled itself within the first 100 rounds. I was considering a S&B 3-20, but kept hearing about issues with the knobs coming apart and KevinB from KAC mentioned that the performance with clip on NODs wasn't really all that great. I went with the leupy 3-18 MK6, for my 18" OBR Heavy, and I've got a NF BEAST on order for my 338 LP build. I've talked to a bunch of different folks, and they've all said that NF is pretty much the only scope they've seen that either hasn't failed, or failed the least by far. |
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Are you the one that posted a picture of a USO with the missing turrets? That's a shame that yours did this. Mine has been through 1000's of rounds without I had an USO for about 5 minutes until it energetically disassembled itself within the first 100 rounds. I was considering a S&B 3-20, but kept hearing about issues with the knobs coming apart and KevinB from KAC mentioned that the performance with clip on NODs wasn't really all that great. I went with the leupy 3-18 MK6, for my 18" OBR Heavy, and I've got a NF BEAST on order for my 338 LP build. I've talked to a bunch of different folks, and they've all said that NF is pretty much the only scope they've seen that either hasn't failed, or failed the least by far. Quoted:
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If I had a 7.62 OBR, I'd get an S&B 3-20 I had my S&B 5-25 (MSR reticle) on my OBR. I've since switched over to a USO SN3 3.2-17 and put the Bender on my M40A3. How do you like the S&B? I want to buy a serious piece of glass for my OBR when it comes in, but only really have the means to buy ONE. Leaning towards the S&B 5-25 with the H59 reticle. I love my S&B. Great glass and optical clarity. The best low light scope that i've ever looked through. I have very little experience with Horus reticles, so I don't feel comfortable sharing my impressions of them, but I love the MSR reticle. The USO is a superb optic also and I'm quite happy with its performance. Good luck with your optics acquisition(s). Are you the one that posted a picture of a USO with the missing turrets? That's a shame that yours did this. Mine has been through 1000's of rounds without I had an USO for about 5 minutes until it energetically disassembled itself within the first 100 rounds. I was considering a S&B 3-20, but kept hearing about issues with the knobs coming apart and KevinB from KAC mentioned that the performance with clip on NODs wasn't really all that great. I went with the leupy 3-18 MK6, for my 18" OBR Heavy, and I've got a NF BEAST on order for my 338 LP build. I've talked to a bunch of different folks, and they've all said that NF is pretty much the only scope they've seen that either hasn't failed, or failed the least by far. Are you the one that posted a picture of a USO with the missing turrets? That's a shame that yours did this. Mine has been through 1000's of rounds without so much as a hiccup. I've mounted it on both my 18" OBR and my 16" OBR with great success. My S&B hasn't really seen much use yet, but I will admit that I'm not too crazy about the fact that my $3200 scope only has a 2 year warranty. Oh well, I'm glad that you found the optics that best suited your needs. |
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Are you the one that posted a picture of a USO with the missing turrets? That's a shame that yours did this. Mine has been through 1000's of rounds without so much as a hiccup. I've mounted it on both my 18" OBR and my 16" OBR with great success. My S&B hasn't really seen much use yet, but I will admit that I'm not too crazy about the fact that my $3200 scope only has a 2 year warranty. Oh well, I'm glad that you found the optics that best suited your needs. That was me. Bought it(5-25 SN3 H37 reticle) took it to magpul PR1, and it started falling apart in the middle of class. |
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Are you the one that posted a picture of a USO with the missing turrets? That's a shame that yours did this. Mine has been through 1000's of rounds without so much as a hiccup. I've mounted it on both my 18" OBR and my 16" OBR with great success. My S&B hasn't really seen much use yet, but I will admit that I'm not too crazy about the fact that my $3200 scope only has a 2 year warranty. Oh well, I'm glad that you found the optics that best suited your needs. That was me. Bought it(5-25 SN3 H37 reticle) took it to magpul PR1, and it started falling apart in the middle of class. That's what I thought. Up until that point, I'd never seen a dismantled USO before. And in the middle of a class?......that sucks. Yeah, I'd be turned off too if that'd happened to me. I had a similar situation (with a much cheaper scope), where after about 250 rds, during a class, the objective lens actually dislodged itself and flew out of the front of my scope. Had to finish the rest of the class with my irons. I was pissed, to say the least. |