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12/22/2012 3:39:04 PM EDT
I went out, did the ordinary shooting. I was using Federal gold match today and right before I packed up, I had a couple guys try out my rifle. First guy I just had him use my ammo and the next guy was also shooting an ar 10, so I had him use his. He brought over his own pmag and mag tech ammo and on the last shot, it went click. After assessing my rifle, I noticed a small gap between the bolt and chamber, and I was thinking that if my rifle had a forward assist, just bump it and would be good to go. Obviously it doesn't have one, so I went to pull the charging handle and no bueno. It did not want to come back. It took quite some man power to get the round out. I inspected the round and looked fine. I then tried one of my rounds to see if it was his ammo and did the same thing about another time or two. After that, it came out fine. Any ideas on what the problem could be?

I was also using PMAGS.
12/22/2012 5:30:29 PM EDT
[#1]
His ammo is out of spec for your rifle.
12/22/2012 5:39:46 PM EDT
[#2]
Weird. I thought Larues would chew up any ammo you out through them. Except for any low quality ammo I would assume.
12/22/2012 5:47:28 PM EDT
[#3]
Mine wil not cycle South African ball that my M1a eats up.
12/22/2012 5:56:35 PM EDT
[#4]
Mine is also picky. Several flavores the M1A like won't cycle in the OBR.  The OBR is much more accurate though.
12/22/2012 6:18:54 PM EDT
[#5]
They can be somewhat picky.
12/22/2012 6:21:00 PM EDT
[#6]
GENERALLY, the more accurate the rifle, the pickier about ammo it is.
12/22/2012 6:33:46 PM EDT
[#7]
Does your OBR have "Xtraxn" or is it one of the older ones without Xtraxn?  Might make a difference or might not.  Mine does not have Xtraxn and eats everything and is accurate.
12/22/2012 6:35:50 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Does your OBR have "Xtraxn" or is it one of the older ones without Xtraxn?  Might make a difference or might not.  Mine does not have Xtraxn and eats everything and is accurate.


Mine as well.
12/22/2012 7:27:44 PM EDT
[#9]
I do have xtraxn.
12/22/2012 8:19:19 PM EDT
[#10]
As far as the forward assist, use your thumb to push on the side of the cutout on the bolt that will open the dust cover.
12/22/2012 9:57:52 PM EDT
[#11]
I just thought it was weird that it did the same with my federals. Could it have been the mag?
12/25/2012 9:36:23 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
I just thought it was weird that it did the same with my federals. Could it have been the mag?


Sir, how many rounds have you fired through it and how well (almost dripping) was it lubricated?  Both of these factors play into loading issues, especially generous lubrication.
12/25/2012 10:13:13 PM EDT
[#13]
Now that I think of it, my bolt wasn't the most lubricated and I have about 150 rounds through it. I've cleaned everything but the bore since I got her.
12/26/2012 10:32:05 AM EDT
[#14]
brando850, you have not even begun to break that girl in.  Lube bolt and carrier generously, keep a rag around if for wiping up the mess.  Once you have 500-600rds out, she should eat whatever you feed her.  

These machines will always run better with oil...no different than your combustion engine.

FWIW, I like the Slip 2000, but there are a lot of good gun lubes out there.  Rem oil, and anything watery like it,  is not one of them.

Good luck.
12/26/2012 1:25:00 PM EDT
[#15]
Needs more lube.
12/26/2012 5:22:15 PM EDT
[#16]
Thats what she said
12/27/2012 1:20:37 PM EDT
[#17]
wetter is better
12/27/2012 2:27:10 PM EDT
[#18]


The problem is not lubrication.  If you read the OP you will see two things.  One is the gun failed to go into battery (i.e small gap between bolt and chamber), and afterwards it did not extract (did not want to come back).  The problem here is the round was not properly sized for your chamber i.e. it was too big.  A properly sized case and loaded round should drop into your chamber without any effort and should drop out if you tilt your barrel up in the vertical position.  Now OP you said you were running FPGMM and they "did the same thing about another time or two”, that is odd.  Can you confirm because that suggest that your chamber is undersized or the other possibility is it is VERY dirty.



BTW, lube is only for the bolt, never lube your rounds.  I figured people already know this but…

12/27/2012 4:26:41 PM EDT
[#19]
I will verify that the FGMM did do it once. After the hiccups, it was like it never happened. That being said, because it did happen with nice ammo, I figured it might have been lack of lube. I will post a pic of my bolt later when I get home to take the picture.
12/27/2012 9:09:20 PM EDT
[#20]

12/28/2012 8:16:20 AM EDT
[#21]




Quoted:

I will verify that the FGMM did do it once. After the hiccups, it was like it never happened. That being said, because it did happen with nice ammo, I figured it might have been lack of lube. I will post a pic of my bolt later when I get home to take the picture.
Have you tried taking the upper off and just dropping a FGMM round in to see if it chambers with any effort?



12/28/2012 8:52:30 PM EDT
[#22]
That gun is way to clean to have that problem. My gun looks like crap compared to that....maybe I should clean it.

Interesting.
12/28/2012 11:15:55 PM EDT
[#23]
Definitely cleaned it after the malfunctions.
12/28/2012 11:17:08 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:

Quoted:
I will verify that the FGMM did do it once. After the hiccups, it was like it never happened. That being said, because it did happen with nice ammo, I figured it might have been lack of lube. I will post a pic of my bolt later when I get home to take the picture.
Have you tried taking the upper off and just dropping a FGMM round in to see if it chambers with any effort?



I did after you said that. It wobbled into the chamber, but I'm assuming it did that because the round wasn't exactly straight going in.
12/28/2012 11:18:43 PM EDT
[#25]
I also took a picture of the bolt to verify it wasn't lodged. I was a little worried with the small gap, but other pictures shows it is normal, I believe.
12/29/2012 5:10:54 AM EDT
[#26]




Quoted:



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Quoted:

I will verify that the FGMM did do it once. After the hiccups, it was like it never happened. That being said, because it did happen with nice ammo, I figured it might have been lack of lube. I will post a pic of my bolt later when I get home to take the picture.
Have you tried taking the upper off and just dropping a FGMM round in to see if it chambers with any effort?







I did after you said that. It wobbled into the chamber, but I'm assuming it did that because the round wasn't exactly straight going in.


Wobbling in is not an issue.  The question is did it go all the way it (with press check on the back of the round), and slide out without a problem?