[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Scope help / suggestions (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/30/2012 6:08:13 AM EDT
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Hello all,
While my 18" OBR lite is queue, I'm shopping around for a scope. I was initially leaning towards a 4x fixed ACOG, but now considering other variable sight options. Budget is about 2k if needed, I order the RISR for the stock and Troy folding back-up iron sights if that matters as well. Will mostly be using this rifle for range days and an occasional class. Open to any suggestions, feedback and questions. I realize there is no perfect sight, but would like to find something adequate for for 50-100m yet still able to sight well over greater distances. Thanks for any help. |
| If it's a 5.56, which it sounds like it is, the ACOG is a great choice. I have one on one of my 5.56's and wouldn't swap it out for anything on that rifle. I've only taken it out to 300 yards but I was more than pleased on everything from 50-300 yards. The only drawback is doing holdovers for wind, it's not quite as precise as most scopes but can be figured out easily enough. Which reticle are you looking at? |
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If it's a 5.56, which it sounds like it is, the ACOG is a great choice. I have one on one of my 5.56's and wouldn't swap it out for anything on that rifle. I've only taken it out to 300 yards but I was more than pleased on everything from 50-300 yards. The only drawback is doing holdovers for wind, it's not quite as precise as most scopes but can be figured out easily enough. Which reticle are you looking at? Was leaning towards the green chevron on the ACOG and you're correct it's a 5.56, should have mentioned that. |
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If it's a 5.56, which it sounds like it is, the ACOG is a great choice. I have one on one of my 5.56's and wouldn't swap it out for anything on that rifle. I've only taken it out to 300 yards but I was more than pleased on everything from 50-300 yards. The only drawback is doing holdovers for wind, it's not quite as precise as most scopes but can be figured out easily enough. Which reticle are you looking at? Was leaning towards the green chevron on the ACOG and you're correct it's a 5.56, should have mentioned that. I went with the chevron as well, but in red. |
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So, been shopping and researching around a lot over the weekend. Narrowed down the list to:
-Leupold Mark 6 3-18x44mm -Leupold Mark 6 1-6x -NightForce 2.5 - 10 X 32 -US Optics / SN-3 1.8-10x37 T-Pal -Bushnell 3.5-21x50 any other thoughts or opinions on those would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again. |
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Weight is definitely a consideration, but definitely prefer the Horus reticle and first focal plane on the Bushnell and US Optic. I'd go US Optics. In fact I just did (SN-3 5-25x T-PAL). Good call on the FFP. Which reticle is in the US Optic you are looking at? At low magnification it might get a little busy. I have a H37 and at 5X it isn't nearly as busy as I thought it would be but at 1.8x it might get busy. If it was an H58/H59 or H50 I'd be less concerned based of my research when I was deciding. Lastly, I assume it's illuminated? The Leupold isn't last I saw, I believe the HDMR is, not sure on the particular US Optic you are looking at but most likely is...just another consideration. |
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Weight is definitely a consideration, but definitely prefer the Horus reticle and first focal plane on the Bushnell and US Optic. I'd go US Optics. In fact I just did (SN-3 5-25x T-PAL). Good call on the FFP. Which reticle is in the US Optic you are looking at? At low magnification it might get a little busy. I have a H37 and at 5X it isn't nearly as busy as I thought it would be but at 1.8x it might get busy. If it was an H58/H59 or H50 I'd be less concerned based of my research when I was deciding. Lastly, I assume it's illuminated? The Leupold isn't last I saw, I believe the HDMR is, not sure on the particular US Optic you are looking at but most likely is...just another consideration. Was leaning towards H58/59 for the reticle. Yes, the US Optic I'm considering is illuminated. I'd say the my biggest considerations are the quality of the glass, ffp, Horus reticle and something pretty durable. |
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The glass on mine is very good if that helps you at all. By the time I used it yesterday it was overcast, raining and getting dark. At 100 yards my target picture was very clear.
Durability reviews on the US Optics scope are very good from what I have read. If you look in my 'Swag Overload' thread Brandon posted a video of a guy throwing his around and it kept zero. Didn't see that video prior but was pleased to see it anyways, it's worth a view. I haven't had it long enough to tell you personally if it's durable and odds are I'll never abuse it but it's looks and feels very heavy duty. I'd have no concerns about it whatsoever if I dropped it or banged it into something. |
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USO 1.8-10X or USO 3.2-17X TPAL Looking at the USO 1.8-10x TPAL, probably more than sufficient for .556 caliber, unless you think otherwise. I think you would be good to go on that. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that scope is good out to 1k. More than suffice. 37mm or 44mm? |
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USO 1.8-10X or USO 3.2-17X TPAL Looking at the USO 1.8-10x TPAL, probably more than sufficient for .556 caliber, unless you think otherwise. I think you would be good to go on that. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that scope is good out to 1k. More than suffice. 37mm or 44mm? that is what I was thinking on the range also.... 37 mm |
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USO 1.8-10X or USO 3.2-17X TPAL Looking at the USO 1.8-10x TPAL, probably more than sufficient for .556 caliber, unless you think otherwise. I think you would be good to go on that. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that scope is good out to 1k. More than suffice. 37mm or 44mm? that is what I was thinking on the range also.... 37 mm GTG... 
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Are you only using it at the range or are you going to be running carbine classes as well? Between the two I'd go for the higher magnification for a range only gun. The low end isn't that far above 1.8x and you get more at the top end. Then again I'm a big fan of magnification  Either way I think you are choosing wisely. Enjoy!
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Are you only using it at the range or are you going to be running carbine classes as well? Between the two I'd go for the higher magnification for a range only gun. The low end isn't that far above 1.8x and you get more at the top end. Then again I'm a big fan of magnification Either way I think you are choosing wisely. Enjoy!Range and the occasional class. I also saw the video you mentioned earlier with the guys tossing the USO scope and still holding zero, pretty impressive, no way would I have tried that.....I do enjoy the magnification also, but was hoping for something passable for a carbine class as well. |
OK so for what my opinion is worth (again) In your 2k range for 556 look at the Vortex Razor and the Bushnell HDMR with the G2DMR reticle. You can get the Razor for under or right at 2k and the Bushnell for about $1300 or so. But dont beleive me on this! Look at what the top competion shooters in the country at the PRS Finale shot this last weekend.
#1 Schmidt & Bender #2 Bushnell and Premier #3 Vortex #4 Premier #5 US Optics ...and if your wondering what reticle they shot: 
I have started turning into a scope whore as of late! I (as of last night) own a #1, 3 #2's, and 2 #5's! 
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OK so for what my opinion is worth (again) In your 2k range for 556 look at the Vortex Razor and the Bushnell HDMR with the G2DMR reticle. You can get the Razor for under or right at 2k and the Bushnell for about $1300 or so. But dont beleive me on this! Look at what the top competion shooters in the country at the PRS Finale shot this last weekend. http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/richemmons/scope.png #1 Schmidt & Bender #2 Bushnell and Premier #3 Vortex #4 Premier #5 US Optics ...and if your wondering what reticle they shot: http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/richemmons/reticle.png I have started turning into a scope whore as of late! I (as of last night) own a #1, 3 #2's, and 2 #5's! What's your favorite scope? Reticle? |
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Honestly looking at the overall package ( cost, glass clarity features)
Bushnell freaking hands down. (Yet again me on my soup box) For the money that thing is a tank and the G2DMR is amazing. Glass is clear and tracks perfect. Did a tracking test on the three that I own out to 1200 meters and back to 100 and the scopes tracked dead on. But lets put them all at the same cost level and I love the S&B. Talk about clarity that thing is AMAZING. But that just me what the hell do I know. I have a interesdting story on the USO's but that is for another time and place. |
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Honestly looking at the overall package ( cost, glass clarity features) Bushnell freaking hands down. (Yet again me on my soup box) For the money that thing is a tank and the G2DMR is amazing. Glass is clear and tracks perfect. Did a tracking test on the three that I own out to 1200 meters and back to 100 and the scopes tracked dead on. But lets put them all at the same cost level and I love the S&B. Talk about clarity that thing is AMAZING. But that just me what the hell do I know. I have a interesdting story on the USO's but that is for another time and place. I look forward to hearing it 
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Honestly looking at the overall package ( cost, glass clarity features) Bushnell freaking hands down. (Yet again me on my soup box) For the money that thing is a tank and the G2DMR is amazing. Glass is clear and tracks perfect. Did a tracking test on the three that I own out to 1200 meters and back to 100 and the scopes tracked dead on. But lets put them all at the same cost level and I love the S&B. Talk about clarity that thing is AMAZING. But that just me what the hell do I know. I have a interesdting story on the USO's but that is for another time and place. Making a good point for the Bushnell and I'm loving the price on these. Really making this a tough decision for sure. |
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Don't get me wrong the USO scopes are great. That EREK knob is ingenious and built like a tank. However for me, my wallet, and my family I look at it this way. Why spend that money on a USO? If I needed an optic in that class I would save a little more and buy a S&B. But again that's me. I like being able to roll my own ammo and really push my skills. I look at what other people that I respect are shooting and ask for there input. Look at it this way LT carries the Bushnell HDMR. Do you think for a second that they would stock crappy optics? Hell even Uncle Sam is looking at the HDMR!
Again that just my two cents. I'll get off my soup box now. One last story... I was talking to a member at the new range that I shoot at the other weekend. (He has been a gunsmith for 40 years.) I noticed the S&B on the top of his gun and asked him right after he shot a 5 shot 3/8 inch group what he thought of his S&B. This is what he said. This S&B cost me $4500 you think its worth that much? I said sure? He said to me guess what its not! I also got a Leupold in that bag and it cost me $2500 and its not worth that either. I got a gun safe full of high end scopes and they are not worth what I paid for them. But you know what I bought them anyways! So in the end buy what your wallet can afford and what your skill sets need. But do me a favor before you buy get behind a few, look threw the glass and run the knobs back and forth a few times. See if it fits you and what "you" are going to do with it. In the end you are the one that will need to live with the purchase. Not the mall ninja that gave you the advice for the best scope out there. The Internet is full of opinions and you know what they say about opinions..... |
Are you military or LE? If so look into the Leupold fed mil program. I got a hell of deal on my mk 6 3-18x44. The reason why I looked into this scope over any other was the weight and how compact it was. Not to mention Leupold gave their customers what they wanted with the turrets and an h58 reticle. The scope can be applied in any application and weighs at a mere 1.5 pounds. The glass is clear. I've been reading people were looking away from nightforce and other high end optics for this one. I was skeptical at first since Leupolds mk 4 line has had some tracking issues, but so far, there have been no issues with the mk 6 except some human errors 
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Running an 18" OBR with Bushnell HDMR with H59 reticle...
ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT... As Mobius38 stated... it tracks rock solid... Yep, even the LT-111 mount operates as promised- returns to zero when taken off the gun... (actually, i expected itt to )
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Running an 18" OBR with Bushnell HDMR with H59 reticle... ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT... As Mobius38 stated... it tracks rock solid... Yep, even the LT-111 mount operates as promised- returns to zero when taken off the gun... (actually, i expected itt to )
best combo for the $$$ There is just somethign about the click on the HDMR. No matter what reticle you pick I dont think you will be unhappy! The true test is run that bad boy all the way up and all the way down and back and forth a few times and see if once you go back to your zero is it dead nutz on? On the three I had it was, each any everytime. I was shooting 3/4 MOA dots at 100 meters and it was consistant each and every time (as long as I did my part). |
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Are you military or LE? If so look into the Leupold fed mil program. I got a hell of deal on my mk 6 3-18x44. The reason why I looked into this scope over any other was the weight and how compact it was. Not to mention Leupold gave their customers what they wanted with the turrets and an h58 reticle. The scope can be applied in any application and weighs at a mere 1.5 pounds. The glass is clear. I've been reading people were looking away from nightforce and other high end optics for this one. I was skeptical at first since Leupolds mk 4 line has had some tracking issues, but so far, there have been no issues with the mk 6 except some human errors I am not eligible for the mil discount, but I do keep coming back to the mk 6 3-18x44, something about that scope has caught my eye for sure, just keep hearing lot of negatives against Leupold. Mobius38 - With those types of speeches you should run for office, I had consider the Bushnell until now, but gonna do some reading and research on that tonight, you've about got me convinced ;-P I appreciate all of the feedback and insight, tons of help really! |
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Speeches! I like that. Like I said its my soap box. Optics I ahve really over researched but I am lucky enought that I shoot with some guys that know there stuff. I ahve been lucky enought to get behind some really nice glass. I also ahve bought alot and sold that stuff off learnign the hard way on what is important to me and where I want to spend my money.
EDIT: Ok so if you really have money to burn and want the best of the best (talking S&B quality and above.) LOOK HERE! and HERE!! |
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Running an 18" OBR with Bushnell HDMR with H59 reticle... ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT... As Mobius38 stated... it tracks rock solid... Yep, even the LT-111 mount operates as promised- returns to zero when taken off the gun... (actually, i expected itt to )
best combo for the $$$ There is just somethign about the click on the HDMR. No matter what reticle you pick I dont think you will be unhappy! The true test is run that bad boy all the way up and all the way down and back and forth a few times and see if once you go back to your zero is it dead nutz on? On the three I had it was, each any everytime. I was shooting 3/4 MOA dots at 100 meters and it was consistant each and every time (as long as I did my part). I want to do some tracking on my Leupold. How big of a target do you need? Could it also be done by just moving the turrets around and just getting back on zero? |
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Are you military or LE? If so look into the Leupold fed mil program. I got a hell of deal on my mk 6 3-18x44. The reason why I looked into this scope over any other was the weight and how compact it was. Not to mention Leupold gave their customers what they wanted with the turrets and an h58 reticle. The scope can be applied in any application and weighs at a mere 1.5 pounds. The glass is clear. I've been reading people were looking away from nightforce and other high end optics for this one. I was skeptical at first since Leupolds mk 4 line has had some tracking issues, but so far, there have been no issues with the mk 6 except some human errors I am not eligible for the mil discount, but I do keep coming back to the mk 6 3-18x44, something about that scope has caught my eye for sure, just keep hearing lot of negatives against Leupold. Mobius38 - With those types of speeches you should run for office, I had consider the Bushnell until now, but gonna do some reading and research on that tonight, you've about got me convinced ;-P I appreciate all of the feedback and insight, tons of help really! You know though, Leupold takes care of their people with the best warranty out there. How I look at it is, when a company is rolling out thousands of scopes a year, there is more room for a problem. I know if my scope is broke, I'll send it back and it'll come back to me fixed within a couple weeks. I do need to do some tracking at some point. I'm very happy with my purchase. |
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Ok so this is how I do it. If I may I'll try not to get to wordy.
I take an 8x11 sheet of paper and put some little shoot n sees all over it. I put a target in the lower left and shoot at it once. Then threw the scope I look at the other three or whever I have on there. Measure with my reticle to where they are. Either 1 mil up or 1 mil up or left right what ever. I then keep my crosshairs on the first target and pull the trigger. Impact should be at the adjusted target. Does that make sense. Another thing to do is place a shoot n see on the center of the paper, shoot at it. Impact should be on the target, then dial 5 mils up. Then back to 0, impact should be when you first shot. Then dial 10 mils up. Back to 0 then bang. Impact should be at 0 again. Then do this all the way up till you top out. You can then do this on the way down. Dial 5 mils down, back to 0, then 10 mils down, back to 0, bang, all the way till your bottomed out. You can also do this for the windage. Just shows you that after adjustments your going back to your zero and can trust what that its tracking right. You got that? |
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I will just leave this here! I guess Bushnell is one of those shitty scope companys that can not compete with the other optics bigboys! Very nice! Throw in an illuminated reticle and this is a badass scope. I think I'll save funds and evaluate options in January, love the FDE color choice also. |
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Had a chance to test the Horus reticle at different yardage today. I didn't hold for wind as I was just working on elevation, but still quite happy with the results:
The only thing I did was adjust paralax. I calculated my hold before I went to the range, had a slight adjustment on it after the first group @ 200 and 300 and here are the results. 100: .436 5 shot group (scope is zeroed @ 100) 200: 1.182 5 shot group 300: 2.229 5 shot group 
Sorry for the fuzzy picture, it's early and I'm using a cell phone camera
I forgot to take a through the scope picture of the reticle 
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