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3/12/2010 11:48:42 AM EDT
I got a brand spankin' new TexasSpec bolt carrier group for the person that clues me in with details regarding a local rumor ...


Here's the deal -

It is rumored that some machining company in Texas,  rumored also to be seeking a firearm manufacturing license (FFL),  possibly based out of Taylor, TX, has now taken delivery on an OBR, and has a second one on order ...

The only reason my interest is piqued is over an additional rumor that a former employee is involved.  

So, if anybody has any info, I got you a shiny new TexasSpec BCG sittin' on my desk ready to ship.

Of course I got my folks combing through the our records, but in the meantime ...

Email me at mark (@) larue tactical dot com

Thanks in advance,

M. LaRue
3/12/2010 11:52:30 AM EDT
[#1]
Sumpin' tells me it's gonna be chicken day for you.




Edited for the Texas-Spec NDA said employee signed



 
3/12/2010 11:52:46 AM EDT
[#2]







That don't sound cool



ETA:  Looks like that's only down the road a bit too.
3/12/2010 12:03:49 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Sumpin' tells me it's gonna be chicken day for you.



  Edited for the Texas-Spec NDA said employee signed  
 


Interesting observation.  

But no, that individual was here back when we relied on a man's word and his handshake ...

Sadly, we were forced to change that policy.

3/12/2010 12:09:37 PM EDT
[#4]
check your local courthouse for filings for LLC or DBA, picking up business licenses, etc. all public records. Will have the names of the people involved.
 



if they're getting an FFL, they'll have to have all the ducks in a row first.
3/12/2010 12:09:41 PM EDT
[#5]
A pox on their house!!!!
3/12/2010 12:14:53 PM EDT
[#6]
Alas, we now live in a time when a man's word is worth less than a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on. Glad your interest are now protected. NDA's and NCA's- Need Both.



Mentor once told me, "Be careful who you step on, on your way up the ladder; as you will surely see them again on your way down". Guess that fellow didn't get the memo.



Keep up the good fight sir!


Quoted:



Quoted:

Sumpin' tells me it's gonna be chicken day for you.








  Edited for the Texas-Spec NDA said employee signed  

 




Interesting observation.  



But no, that individual was here back when we relied on a man's word and his handshake ... we have since changed that policy.







 
3/12/2010 12:23:00 PM EDT
[#7]
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A pox on their house!!!!


3/12/2010 12:33:33 PM EDT
[#8]
Unfortunately I have no information to help you out.  However I will say that no matter what they do there is no way that they will hold a candle to your business.  Anybody can machine a rifle...it takes a lot more than that to provide the quality and service that you get with LaRue.
3/12/2010 12:34:45 PM EDT
[#9]
The plot thickens.
3/12/2010 12:50:46 PM EDT
[#10]
3/12/2010 1:02:26 PM EDT
[#11]
I don't do humans.

3/12/2010 1:12:10 PM EDT
[#12]
3/12/2010 1:12:42 PM EDT
[#13]

 Say it ain't so...
3/12/2010 2:13:49 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Sumpin' tells me it's gonna be chicken day for you.



  Edited for the Texas-Spec NDA said employee signed  
 


Interesting observation.  

But no, that individual was here back when we relied on a man's word and his handshake ...

Sadly, we were forced to change that policy.



It is sad, the world is a giant shit sandwich....  The only things bright in this world are My wife, My Son, and the possibility of owning an OBR in this lifetime.

Mark, put Gravy in over watch and my team and I will bring the pain.  Tell Gravy to watch for sparkle.....
3/12/2010 2:19:18 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Sumpin' tells me it's gonna be chicken day for you.



  Edited for the Texas-Spec NDA said employee signed  
 


Interesting observation.  

But no, that individual was here back when we relied on a man's word and his handshake ...

Sadly, we were forced to change that policy.



It is sad, the world is a giant shit sandwich....  The only things bright in this world are My wife, My Son, and the possibility of owning an OBR in this lifetime.

Mark, put Gravy in over watch and my team and I will bring the pain.  Tell Gravy to watch for sparkle.....


How the hell did he get Gravy as a nickname?  I've been reading some of his posts over on Brian Enos forums...he seems liek a pretty cool guy.
3/12/2010 2:24:29 PM EDT
[#16]
if they want an OBR, GIVE THEM OBR!!!!
SMOKE THEIR ASS
   
3/12/2010 2:33:50 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Sumpin' tells me it's gonna be chicken day for you.



  Edited for the Texas-Spec NDA said employee signed  
 


Interesting observation.  

But no, that individual was here back when we relied on a man's word and his handshake ...

Sadly, we were forced to change that policy.



It is sad, the world is a giant shit sandwich....  The only things bright in this world are My wife, My Son, and the possibility of owning an OBR in this lifetime.

Mark, put Gravy in over watch and my team and I will bring the pain.  Tell Gravy to watch for sparkle.....


How the hell did he get Gravy as a nickname?  I've been reading some of his posts over on Brian Enos forums...he seems liek a pretty cool guy.


Pioneer Country Gravy mix.  

3/12/2010 2:39:46 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Sumpin' tells me it's gonna be chicken day for you.



  Edited for the Texas-Spec NDA said employee signed  
 


Interesting observation.  

But no, that individual was here back when we relied on a man's word and his handshake ...

Sadly, we were forced to change that policy.



It is sad, the world is a giant shit sandwich....  The only things bright in this world are My wife, My Son, and the possibility of owning an OBR in this lifetime.

Mark, put Gravy in over watch and my team and I will bring the pain.  Tell Gravy to watch for sparkle.....


How the hell did he get Gravy as a nickname?  I've been reading some of his posts over on Brian Enos forums...he seems liek a pretty cool guy.


Pioneer Country Gravy mix.  



He drinks it for breakfast?
3/12/2010 2:43:21 PM EDT
[#19]
Well, you can search the SOS site https://direct.sos.state.tx.us/acct/acct-login.asp if you know the name of the business and want to find individual names.  That's really all I can help with unless provided with a business or individual name.
3/12/2010 2:45:11 PM EDT
[#20]
You may have enough info in the HR department's records to find the current employer of the person of interest(POI). Many moons back when I lived in Louisiana, the state department of labor had my employment history in their computerized system. Could turn http://www.zabasearch.com/ loose on the POI too.
3/12/2010 2:51:06 PM EDT
[#21]
Nothing useful to add, but tag for the outcome.

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3/12/2010 3:14:57 PM EDT
[#22]
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" or so they say. I hope nothing bad comes of this. Like was said in a previous post, anyone can machine a rifle, but it takes a true craftsman to create a great rifle. It takes a great man to create such a great customer service, which obviously this guy doesnt have this quality.
3/12/2010 3:21:11 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Sumpin' tells me it's gonna be chicken day for you.



  Edited for the Texas-Spec NDA said employee signed  
 


Interesting observation.  

But no, that individual was here back when we relied on a man's word and his handshake ...

Sadly, we were forced to change that policy.



It is sad, the world is a giant shit sandwich....  The only things bright in this world are My wife, My Son, and the possibility of owning an OBR in this lifetime.

Mark, put Gravy in over watch and my team and I will bring the pain.  Tell Gravy to watch for sparkle.....


How the hell did he get Gravy as a nickname?  I've been reading some of his posts over on Brian Enos forums...he seems liek a pretty cool guy.


Pioneer Country Gravy mix.  



I met him in a very dry place, watching our ass, SHTF then we covered his ass gave him a lift and provided copenhagen.  Won't find a better dude.  Six Guns Don't Miss!!!!!!!!!!!

ETA:
Quoted:

He drinks it for breakfast?


More like Tekillya
3/12/2010 3:28:43 PM EDT
[#24]
It's amazing what people will stoop to nowadays. IE jealousy, greed or envy.

LaRue is a top notch company, period .
3/12/2010 3:56:11 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Sumpin' tells me it's gonna be chicken day for you.



  Edited for the Texas-Spec NDA said employee signed  
 


Interesting observation.  

But no, that individual was here back when we relied on a man's word and his handshake ...

Sadly, we were forced to change that policy.



It is sad, the world is a giant shit sandwich....  The only things bright in this world are My wife, My Son, and the possibility of owning an OBR in this lifetime.

Mark, put Gravy in over watch and my team and I will bring the pain.  Tell Gravy to watch for sparkle.....


How the hell did he get Gravy as a nickname?  I've been reading some of his posts over on Brian Enos forums...he seems liek a pretty cool guy.


Pioneer Country Gravy mix.  



I met him in a very dry place, watching our ass, SHTF then we covered his ass gave him a lift and provided copenhagen
.  Won't find a better dude.  Six Guns Don't Miss!!!!!!!!!!!

ETA:
Quoted:

He drinks it for breakfast?


More like Tekillya


Smellya?

3/12/2010 4:01:46 PM EDT
[#26]
Was it a couple of brothers that used to work for you up in Illinois....


3/12/2010 4:38:28 PM EDT
[#27]
Mark look for a new company with the name RaLue and use the tag line "Just East of the Dead Center of Texas" I wonder if they give away hedgehogs???

What a bunch of scumbags.....can't even come up with thier own stuff.  Just have to copy high quality products of someone elses/

3/12/2010 4:43:34 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:
Mark look for a new company with the name RaLue and use the tag line "Just East of the Dead Center of Texas" I wonder if they give away hedgehogs???

What a bunch of scumbags.....can't even come up with thier own stuff.  Just have to copy high quality products of someone elses/


Copy ??  I got no idea what their plan is ...

But given Senor X's possible involvement, then it sure seems to warrant a little research on our part.  




3/12/2010 5:03:18 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Mark look for a new company with the name RaLue and use the tag line "Just East of the Dead Center of Texas" I wonder if they give away hedgehogs???

What a bunch of scumbags.....can't even come up with thier own stuff.  Just have to copy high quality products of someone elses/


Copy ??  I got no idea what their plan is ...

But given Senor X's possible involvement, then it sure seems to warrant a little research on our part.  






Its just sad to hear about this and really pisses me off. And heck I don't even have an OBR.....if I had the money I would. But kids and wife come first.
3/12/2010 5:13:16 PM EDT
[#30]
Quoted:
Nothing useful to add, but tag for the outcome.

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3/12/2010 6:11:19 PM EDT
[#31]
There is what 2-3 FFL's in Taylor? One happens to be my uncle, I will see if he knows anything.
3/12/2010 6:38:11 PM EDT
[#32]
Guess they could get around things if the second order was canceled with a third party purchase.

People who do bad things usually don't get away with it in the end.
3/12/2010 6:55:46 PM EDT
[#33]
Being from Iowa, I will not be any help.

This is a curiosity tag.

3/12/2010 7:26:25 PM EDT
[#34]


3/12/2010 7:32:27 PM EDT
[#35]
Not having a signed NDA on file will not prevent someone from seeking recourse in cases involving alleged fraudulent misrepresentation or theft of trade secrets.
3/12/2010 8:13:10 PM EDT
[#36]
Industrial espionage..........

Fuckin' assholes.

I hope your OBR features have already been patented or are patent-pending.

Sounds like someone is trying to fuck you over by patent drawing and then filing for you designs.
3/12/2010 9:45:22 PM EDT
[#37]
Wow, everybody is going off all half-cocked.  All Mark said is that they hired a former employee of his, may be getting an FFL, and they bought two OBRs.  

Maybe they like to shoot nice guns?  Or maybe they plan to make accessories that are compatible with the OBR along with other 7.62 AR-family rifles?  They may want to test their products (sling mounts, magazines, scope mounts, buttstocks, who knows?) on the OBR.  Who said they plan to copy his OBR rifle?  They may have taken delivery of DPMS LR-308s, Armalite AR-10s, and Remington R-25s too.  Who knows?

He said he's just doing some research to cover his ass and be prepared in case they do try to copy it, right?  Jeez, people are already talking about poxes and douchebaggery like the unnamed company is already guilty of something.  
3/12/2010 11:47:25 PM EDT
[#38]




Quoted:

Wow, everybody is going off all half-cocked. All Mark said is that they hired a former employee of his, may be getting an FFL, and they bought two OBRs.



Maybe they like to shoot nice guns? Or maybe they plan to make accessories that are compatible with the OBR along with other 7.62 AR-family rifles? They may want to test their products (sling mounts, magazines, scope mounts, buttstocks, who knows?) on the OBR. Who said they plan to copy his OBR rifle? They may have taken delivery of DPMS LR-308s, Armalite AR-10s, and Remington R-25s too. Who knows?



He said he's just doing some research to cover his ass and be prepared in case they do try to copy it, right? Jeez, people are already talking about poxes and douchebaggery like the unnamed company is already guilty of something.


Unfortunately, nowadays, it's safe to assume the worst in these type of cases. If this was on the up and up, they would have just called LT and said "Hey, we wanna buy an OBR to make accessories for it" etc...



It's safe to assume some kind of reverse engineering will take place.

3/13/2010 2:19:21 AM EDT
[#39]
Quoted:
Wow, everybody is going off all half-cocked.  All Mark said is that they hired a former employee of his, may be getting an FFL, and they bought two OBRs.  

Maybe they like to shoot nice guns?  Or maybe they plan to make accessories that are compatible with the OBR along with other 7.62 AR-family rifles?  They may want to test their products (sling mounts, magazines, scope mounts, buttstocks, who knows?) on the OBR.  Who said they plan to copy his OBR rifle?  They may have taken delivery of DPMS LR-308s, Armalite AR-10s, and Remington R-25s too.  Who knows?

He said he's just doing some research to cover his ass and be prepared in case they do try to copy it, right?  Jeez, people are already talking about poxes and douchebaggery like the unnamed company is already guilty of something.  


Kinda agree.
But nowadays you can't be too careful, we all know Mark has more than a "fist full of dollars" at stake here.
Don't think this thread was started on just a," hey did ya hear"............?

Back years ago, when I was into M14's, they had these piece of shit copies called polytechshitbag version that people bought for a few dollars less than originals.
Last time I checked, LRB, who makes the absolute BEST M14 receivers are backed up almost a year on orders. Lots of shit made for the M14.

Mark, you're due diligence is commendable. However, rest assured "if" this goes sideways, I for one will begin an OBR defen$e campaign.
I can't imagine how sickening these kinds of rumors can make you feel. I'm not speaking for you but for me.
Ain't nobody gonna fuck with my girl without going down, ––- HARD
3/13/2010 6:17:49 AM EDT
[#40]
any updates?
3/13/2010 6:56:25 AM EDT
[#41]
Quoted:
any updates?



No updates ... just some shotgun blasts ... that didn't make nuttin' move.



3/13/2010 8:05:16 AM EDT
[#42]
Well...you could call that douche* that jumped ya at SHOT. IIRC he was the self-professed master of extracting personal intel off the interweb
.
*Sorry, but I forget his name. He is such a waste of skin it wasn't worth committing to memory.
3/13/2010 8:49:15 AM EDT
[#43]
Quoted:
Well...you could call that douche* that jumped ya at SHOT. IIRC he was the self-professed master of extracting personal intel off the interweb .




*Sorry, but I forget his name. He is such a waste of skin it wasn't worth committing to memory.


ha! waste of skin... funniest thing i've heard all week
3/13/2010 4:50:10 PM EDT
[#44]
Quoted:
Quoted:
any updates?



No updates ... just some shotgun blasts ... that didn't make nuttin' move.





As Marcus Antonius said....." Let slip the Dillos of War"
3/14/2010 11:42:23 AM EDT
[#45]
This stuff happens . Ask Mark Serbu , his employee is on the other side of Tampa with knowledge he acquired from working for Serbu ,  A difference would be hired for skills vs. partner or hired for his Larue knowledge . It also depends on what happens whether they manufacturer or open a gun store
3/15/2010 8:01:35 PM EDT
[#46]
Quoted:
Well...you could call that douche* that jumped ya at SHOT. IIRC he was the self-professed master of extracting personal intel off the interweb .


LOL!

That's funny right there.

I hope this thread goes nowhere, because that would mean no infringement took place.
3/16/2010 5:41:46 AM EDT
[#47]
Quoted:
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Mark look for a new company with the name RaLue and use the tag line "Just East of the Dead Center of Texas" I wonder if they give away hedgehogs???

What a bunch of scumbags.....can't even come up with thier own stuff.  Just have to copy high quality products of someone elses/


Copy ??  I got no idea what their plan is ...

But given Senor X's possible involvement, then it sure seems to warrant a little research on our part.  







Might be time to steal a page from the Dick Swan playbook and start trademarking anything and everything that doesn't move....