Posted: 8/19/2011 2:02:10 PM EDT
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Is there any chance of a conversion kit or dedicated uppers for the 22mag?
Thanks Josh |
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Short answer, no. Too many issues. Been tried and getting a conversion type .22 Magnum is iffy and dangerous at best. Dave N Dave speaks the truth, listen to him. Lots of hours and money has been spent trying to "perfect" semi-auto .22 Mags. Big players have tried before. There are some firearms out there you can buy, but they are FEW. Another issue is the cost of shooting the .22 Mag. Its just pricy! Now, the new Kel Tec looks interesting. We will wait and see if it really becomes widely available. |
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.223 can be had for about .44 cents per round new (Fiocchi, PRZ, Wolf, Black Hills), and I handload for .35 cents a round.
The .22WMR is inferior in every respect to the .223 except for one; that being many indoor ranges are restricted to rimfire only. For my purposes, I see no valid reason for an AR in .22WMR. For that matter, I no longer see a reason for a .17HMR AR as well. Ted |
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.223 can be had for about .44 cents per round new (Fiocchi, PRZ, Wolf, Black Hills), and I handload for .35 cents a round. Ted I get my.223 for around 30-31 cents/round. I usally get this, when it's at or below $300 / 1000. It's $299.50 + shipping right now. http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FAXM193BK&lsrc=NZ&src=BE590 It's new Federal Nato 5.56 55gr XM193 FMJ 1000/box : 5.56 NATO 55GR FMJ, never fired new brass. Maybe not target ammo, but my gun likes it. I'd really like to learn to reload, so I save all the brass. |
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Nordic Components went at the WMR full bore. Even talked about my testing one.
They've left the industry forums now and broken off testing of any kind with me. I believe they've got some real problems making this round function. It wouldn't be at the top of my list of gotta have anyway... The round never thrilled me from the start. I've been doing several centerfire pistol calibers and they really impress me if I have to shoot something other than 22's. The Other Dave |
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Nordic Components are still on the case with their NC-22WMR as far as I can tell.
There is a guy doing beta testing of a pre production Nordic ,22 mag AR on the OCShooters forum & he says they have a proposed release date of mid October 2011 for it. Bill Alexander of Alexander Arms has already released his AR in .17HMR to the market now & is still working on a .22WMR version but I think it will come. |
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I see no real use for it in the U.S. I guess there are states where you can use rimfire magnum and can't use centerfire for hunting. But then there are .22WMR rifles already in existance for hunting.
.22 WMR has less potential than the already existing 5.56/.223 and cost about the same. Dave N |
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I think it's a case of 'horses for courses' where the .22WMR is concerned.
.223Rem is a great round especially for reloaders. I have a Remington LTR in .223 & love it to bits. Sometimes you want a little more poke than .22LR can give & .22WMR is generally about a 100 feet pounds more. Sometimes you want a fair bit less poke than .223Rem & .22WMR is 900 / 1000 feet pounds less. Some people might say if you want more poke than .22LR go get 17HMR. 17HMR was the best thing since sliced bread & everybody sang it's praises a few years back & many still do. There are others who have experianced the wind drift & won't bother going out with a .17HMR if there is a slight breeze in the air. Lots of hunters have sold their .17HMR's & taken a second look at the old .22WMR now beacause of the new loads that are much better quality than what used to be available & with a greater choice with loads of 25grn, 30, 33, 40, 45, & 50grn now available, they feel it gives a little more on target clout than the 17grn or 20grn .17HMR can give. Most people that hunt with their .223 or other calibre AR rifle would like to keep the familiar feel of the gun & the same controls & trigger pull they are used to & change out the upper for a dedicated .22WMR upper when required, these are the type of people that would buy this upper even though there are .22WMR bolt guns & so on already in existance they could use. |
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In GBR I definetly see a use for the .22 WMR. With the laws concerning centerfire, the AR WMR would be a good option.
But as you can see, the WMR just isn't rolling out. Nordic has been working on it for some time but I don't see any. Lots of promises, no production. Dave N |
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I think it's a case of 'horses for courses' where the .22WMR is concerned. .223Rem is a great round especially for reloaders. I have a Remington LTR in .223 & love it to bits. Sometimes you want a little more poke than .22LR can give & .22WMR is generally about a 100 feet pounds more. Sometimes you want a fair bit less poke than .223Rem & .22WMR is 900 / 1000 feet pounds less. Some people might say if you want more poke than .22LR go get 17HMR. 17HMR was the best thing since sliced bread & everybody sang it's praises a few years back & many still do. There are others who have experianced the wind drift & won't bother going out with a .17HMR if there is a slight breeze in the air. Lots of hunters have sold their .17HMR's & taken a second look at the old .22WMR now beacause of the new loads that are much better quality than what used to be available & with a greater choice with loads of 25grn, 30, 33, 40, 45, & 50grn now available, they feel it gives a little more on target clout than the 17grn or 20grn .17HMR can give. Most people that hunt with their .223 or other calibre AR rifle would like to keep the familiar feel of the gun & the same controls & trigger pull they are used to & change out the upper for a dedicated .22WMR upper when required, these are the type of people that would buy this upper even though there are .22WMR bolt guns & so on already in existance they could use. Hi Dave N, You are correct in that for those of us in the UK with it's super strict gun laws, the options for a semi auto AR are restricted to .22 rimfire only so .22LR & .22WMR, so for us we are in hope that a .22WMR AR does come to market. We can have centre fire AR's but they have to be built up as single shot straight pulls. My post above would apply within the US or anywhere in the world where AR's can be used for hunting. |