Posted: 3/2/2015 8:15:55 PM EDT
I recently purchased a complete BCM lower from Midwest Industries to be paired with a complete carbine upper that I purchased directly form Bravo company. When I put the two together I noticed that the lower has been over machined or over polished on the roll mark side. The top edge of the lower is .06" thick while it is .10" thick at the roll mark, meaning there is a considerable ridge where the upper and lower meet. I understand that this doesn't effect functionality of the lower and gun is not intended to be a safe queen, but it really bugs me, I expected better from BCM. I have 11 other AR's ranging from Daniel Defense to DPMS and PSA, and every single one is machined better than the BCM lower. If I buy another BCM it'll be a blemished lower, because why pay full price for what every other company would consider a blemished part.
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| Sorry, but I don't see what is so hard to understand, the top edge of the lower receiver on the rollmark side has been sanded too hard and is only half the thickness it should be so it doesn't match up with the upper. I understand it doesn't affect the usefulness of the lower, but when I read BCM's ad's talking about their quality I expect their fit and finish to be better than that of a gun I can buy for half the price, it isn't (and before anybody goes off, I realize there are differences in specs between a $500 gun and a $1000 gun). I did talk to BCM and they told me they were sorry I wasn't happy with the lower, but that it was within their specs and that they would not do anything about. I just thought others should know that you don't always get what you pay for. |
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Sorry, but I don't see what is so hard to understand, the top edge of the lower receiver on the rollmark side has been sanded too hard and is only half the thickness it should be so it doesn't match up with the upper. I understand it doesn't affect the usefulness of the lower, but when I read BCM's ad's talking about their quality I expect their fit and finish to be better than that of a gun I can buy for half the price, it isn't (and before anybody goes off, I realize there are differences in specs between a $500 gun and a $1000 gun). I did talk to BCM and they told me they were sorry I wasn't happy with the lower, but that it was within their specs and that they would not do anything about. I just thought others should know that you don't always get what you pay for. "Safe queens need not apply" I don't see anything wrong, you can just barely see a ridge between the upper and lower 
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Sorry, but I don't see what is so hard to understand, the top edge of the lower receiver on the rollmark side has been sanded too hard and is only half the thickness it should be so it doesn't match up with the upper. I understand it doesn't affect the usefulness of the lower, but when I read BCM's ad's talking about their quality I expect their fit and finish to be better than that of a gun I can buy for half the price, it isn't (and before anybody goes off, I realize there are differences in specs between a $500 gun and a $1000 gun). I did talk to BCM and they told me they were sorry I wasn't happy with the lower, but that it was within their specs and that they would not do anything about. I just thought others should know that you don't always get what you pay for. Take a video of this, because from the pictures you posted I don't see anything. |
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Just grabbed this off of Facebook, this is what a quality company does:
"Gotta give a shoutout to Daniel Defense. I stripped the lower receiver grip screw threads on my two year old DDM4V1 installing an aftermarket grip. They paid to have the rifle sent back to them, replaced the lower receiver due to the original being slightly out of spec, installed the aftermarket grip, my aftermarket trigger and safety selector and sent the rifle back to me in a brand new hard case. All free of charge and in four days. I was already a huge Daniel Defense fan but now I am a customer for life. Support your home state guys and buy the best rifle and service your money can get you!" |
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Just grabbed this off of Facebook, this is what a quality company does: "Gotta give a shoutout to Daniel Defense. I stripped the lower receiver grip screw threads on my two year old DDM4V1 installing an aftermarket grip. They paid to have the rifle sent back to them, replaced the lower receiver due to the original being slightly out of spec, installed the aftermarket grip, my aftermarket trigger and safety selector and sent the rifle back to me in a brand new hard case. All free of charge and in four days. I was already a huge Daniel Defense fan but now I am a customer for life. Support your home state guys and buy the best rifle and service your money can get you!" |
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But were the receiver walls within spec? Quoted:
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Just grabbed this off of Facebook, this is what a quality company does: "Gotta give a shoutout to Daniel Defense. I stripped the lower receiver grip screw threads on my two year old DDM4V1 installing an aftermarket grip. They paid to have the rifle sent back to them, replaced the lower receiver due to the original being slightly out of spec, installed the aftermarket grip, my aftermarket trigger and safety selector and sent the rifle back to me in a brand new hard case. All free of charge and in four days. I was already a huge Daniel Defense fan but now I am a customer for life. Support your home state guys and buy the best rifle and service your money can get you!" According to the specs I've been able to find, no, but I don't have the actual TDP. All I know is that I have 13 other lowers and they all measure between .09" and .10" and there the same thickness from top to bottom. |
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Just grabbed this off of Facebook, this is what a quality company does: "Gotta give a shoutout to Daniel Defense. I stripped the lower receiver grip screw threads on my two year old DDM4V1 installing an aftermarket grip. They paid to have the rifle sent back to them, replaced the lower receiver due to the original being slightly out of spec, installed the aftermarket grip, my aftermarket trigger and safety selector and sent the rifle back to me in a brand new hard case. All free of charge and in four days. I was already a huge Daniel Defense fan but now I am a customer for life. Support your home state guys and buy the best rifle and service your money can get you!" That sounds fine and dandy, but you do understand that the lower receiver grip screw was seized because they had a batch of out of spec lowers? You can research it, plouffedaddy/MrGunsngear ran into the same issue. Same thing happened to my DDM4V5 lower also, screw completely seized up. I had a local gunsmith take care of the issue. While their service generally seems great, it actually bothered more that the lowers were out of spec. Anyways, I love my BCM lower. Fits very snug to all my uppers, no play between the Lower and Upper at all ( even though having play isn't an issue ). |
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Sorry, but I don't see what is so hard to understand, the top edge of the lower receiver on the rollmark side has been sanded too hard and is only half the thickness it should be so it doesn't match up with the upper. I understand it doesn't affect the usefulness of the lower, but when I read BCM's ad's talking about their quality I expect their fit and finish to be better than that of a gun I can buy for half the price, it isn't (and before anybody goes off, I realize there are differences in specs between a $500 gun and a $1000 gun). I did talk to BCM and they told me they were sorry I wasn't happy with the lower, but that it was within their specs and that they would not do anything about. I just thought others should know that you don't always get what you pay for. You got a receiver that was in spec. What did you pay for that you didn't get? Buyer beware for sure.
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Sorry, but I don't see what is so hard to understand, the top edge of the lower receiver on the rollmark side has been sanded too hard and is only half the thickness it should be so it doesn't match up with the upper. I understand it doesn't affect the usefulness of the lower, but when I read BCM's ad's talking about their quality I expect their fit and finish to be better than that of a gun I can buy for half the price, it isn't (and before anybody goes off, I realize there are differences in specs between a $500 gun and a $1000 gun). I did talk to BCM and they told me they were sorry I wasn't happy with the lower, but that it was within their specs and that they would not do anything about. I just thought others should know that you don't always get what you pay for. Just read another thread you posted in, and now your bashing the accuracy of all BCM products. How does the issue you are having, relate to accuracy? Have you even shot it yet? If your going to offer your opinion, then try to be truthful. |
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Just read another thread you posted in, and now your bashing the accuracy of all BCM products. How does the issue you are having, relate to accuracy? Have you even shot it yet? If your going to offer your opinion, then try to be truthful. Quoted:
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Sorry, but I don't see what is so hard to understand, the top edge of the lower receiver on the rollmark side has been sanded too hard and is only half the thickness it should be so it doesn't match up with the upper. I understand it doesn't affect the usefulness of the lower, but when I read BCM's ad's talking about their quality I expect their fit and finish to be better than that of a gun I can buy for half the price, it isn't (and before anybody goes off, I realize there are differences in specs between a $500 gun and a $1000 gun). I did talk to BCM and they told me they were sorry I wasn't happy with the lower, but that it was within their specs and that they would not do anything about. I just thought others should know that you don't always get what you pay for. Just read another thread you posted in, and now your bashing the accuracy of all BCM products. How does the issue you are having, relate to accuracy? Have you even shot it yet? If your going to offer your opinion, then try to be truthful. +1 Hopefully this will shut em up. |
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I havent been on this sub-forum in a while, but holy s**t what are you complaining about??
If you wanted the upper and lower to line up exactly then your best bet was to purchase a COMPLETE RIFLE and even then your not guaranteed anything.... 
If your that OCD maybe you shouldnt be into building AR's and maybe collect stamps or coins?? |