[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Monolith Arms Stuff (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/23/2010 6:34:41 PM EDT
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Any chance Magpul will be making the stuff that Monolith Arms was making before they bought them out? Like the PS90 forward grip for the FS2000! Such a silly question. Don't you know that magpul cares nothing about your questions and you will get it if/when they decide to let you have it, which will be about 2.5 years after the debut it at a SHOT show. |
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Any chance Magpul will be making the stuff that Monolith Arms was making before they bought them out? Like the PS90 forward grip for the FS2000! Such a silly question. Don't you know that magpul cares nothing about your questions and you will get it if/when they decide to let you have it, which will be about 2.5 years after the debut it at a SHOT show. Hostility much? |
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Any chance Magpul will be making the stuff that Monolith Arms was making before they bought them out? Like the PS90 forward grip for the FS2000! Such a silly question. Don't you know that magpul cares nothing about your questions and you will get it if/when they decide to let you have it, which will be about 2.5 years after the debut it at a SHOT show. Someone is grumpy! 
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Any chance Magpul will be making the stuff that Monolith Arms was making before they bought them out? Like the PS90 forward grip for the FS2000! Such a silly question. Don't you know that magpul cares nothing about your questions and you will get it if/when they decide to let you have it, which will be about 2.5 years after the debut it at a SHOT show. I agree, like the MOE plus grips... But figured I would see if anyone else here is interested in stuff that doesnt go on an AR-15, it is Space Rifle time. |
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Any chance Magpul will be making the stuff that Monolith Arms was making before they bought them out? Like the PS90 forward grip for the FS2000! Such a silly question. Don't you know that magpul cares nothing about your questions and you will get it if/when they decide to let you have it, which will be about 2.5 years after the debut it at a SHOT show. I care, really, I do. 
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I'd be highly interested in that style grip, but not a 1:1 copy of the FS2000 Monolith PS90 style grip. Judochop broke his and I've heard others complain about the PS90 grip not having a firm attachment. Although I think I also read that Magpul had a patented redesign that would have attached it better. I really like the grip style though and it's a good grip for a bullpup IMHO. |
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Any chance Magpul will be making the stuff that Monolith Arms was making before they bought them out? Like the PS90 forward grip for the FS2000! Such a silly question. Don't you know that magpul cares nothing about your questions and you will get it if/when they decide to let you have it, which will be about 2.5 years after the debut it at a SHOT show. I care, really, I do. Glad you care, now we need some non-AR accessories, like some FS2000 stuff. |
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Any chance Magpul will be making the stuff that Monolith Arms was making before they bought them out? Like the PS90 forward grip for the FS2000! Such a silly question. Don't you know that magpul cares nothing about your questions and you will get it if/when they decide to let you have it, which will be about 2.5 years after the debut it at a SHOT show. I care, really, I do. Glad you care, now we need some non-AR accessories, like some FS2000 stuff. Heard loud and clear. 
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Do Want!! Not holding my breath..... Que the Magpul "Middle finger Quote" ... I seem to recall there being a reason for such a quote. Didn't really have much to do with a respectable company deliberately disrespecting their fans & customers either. While I agree with your comment I wouldn't waist your time making since. It's often over looked, forgotten about or people refuse to comprehended. Middle finger quote really?
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Look, I'm an enormous fan of Magpul, and i understand the rational of why they think the "Magpul Middle finger" quote needs to be used, but i'm the kind of person that doesn't like to be punished for the miss deeds of others. To me blacking out your fans because of the way a few idiots behave just doesn't sit right with me and it never has. To me the reason why Magpul has such a loyal following was 2 part; 1 they make great kit at an awesome price, PERIOD, and 2 they were the anti-establishment company, and in the early days particularly i recall when the MAID grip was being developed often included this board and it's users directly in the design process, I don't expect that any more but the TOTAL black out is a smack in the face to me, that said I'm still a huge Magpul fan but with this one caveat, and I know many others agree with me. |
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Look, I'm an enormous fan of Magpul, and i understand the rational of why they think the "Magpul Middle finger" quote needs to be used, but i'm the kind of person that doesn't like to be punished for the miss deeds of others. To me blacking out your fans because of the way a few idiots behave just doesn't sit right with me and it never has. To me the reason why Magpul has such a loyal following was 2 part; 1 they make great kit at an awesome price, PERIOD, and 2 they were the anti-establishment company, and in the early days particularly i recall when the MAID grip was being developed often included this board and it's users directly in the design process, I don't expect that any more but the TOTAL black out is a smack in the face to me, that said I'm still a huge Magpul fan but with this one caveat, and I know many others agree with me. It also has to do with keeping their ideas under wraps, so other companies can't get a sneak peek at what they're doing, and then jump on the bandwagon with their own. At least I remember seeing something along those lines posted here once upon a time. |
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Quoted: I understand that, but look at the company's that have already done that, a number of company's have copied magpul products and they don't sell plus the internet "crowd" reacts negatively to the company's that do it, plus Magpul makes the product better and that proves it's self out over time. Look at how many bad CTR rip offs there are, if any one posted a pic of there gun with one of them on it they would be laughed out of town. Quoted: Look, I'm an enormous fan of Magpul, and i understand the rational of why they think the "Magpul Middle finger" quote needs to be used, but i'm the kind of person that doesn't like to be punished for the miss deeds of others. To me blacking out your fans because of the way a few idiots behave just doesn't sit right with me and it never has. To me the reason why Magpul has such a loyal following was 2 part; 1 they make great kit at an awesome price, PERIOD, and 2 they were the anti-establishment company, and in the early days particularly i recall when the MAID grip was being developed often included this board and it's users directly in the design process, I don't expect that any more but the TOTAL black out is a smack in the face to me, that said I'm still a huge Magpul fan but with this one caveat, and I know many others agree with me. It also has to do with keeping their ideas under wraps, so other companies can't get a sneak peek at what they're doing, and then jump on the bandwagon with their own. At least I remember seeing something along those lines posted here once upon a time. |
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I understand that, but look at the company's that have already done that, a number of company's have copied magpul products and they don't sell plus the internet "crowd" reacts negatively to the company's that do it, plus Magpul makes the product better and that proves it's self out over time. Look at how many bad CTR rip offs there are, if any one posted a pic of there gun with one of them on it they would be laughed out of town.
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Look, I'm an enormous fan of Magpul, and i understand the rational of why they think the "Magpul Middle finger" quote needs to be used, but i'm the kind of person that doesn't like to be punished for the miss deeds of others. To me blacking out your fans because of the way a few idiots behave just doesn't sit right with me and it never has. To me the reason why Magpul has such a loyal following was 2 part; 1 they make great kit at an awesome price, PERIOD, and 2 they were the anti-establishment company, and in the early days particularly i recall when the MAID grip was being developed often included this board and it's users directly in the design process, I don't expect that any more but the TOTAL black out is a smack in the face to me, that said I'm still a huge Magpul fan but with this one caveat, and I know many others agree with me. It also has to do with keeping their ideas under wraps, so other companies can't get a sneak peek at what they're doing, and then jump on the bandwagon with their own. At least I remember seeing something along those lines posted here once upon a time. While I do have some angst at how things are run over at Magpul, I do like the products. Its the whole "look at what we have! You know you want it! When will we release it? Well maybe next fall..err no make that the spring 2 years form now..err no wait..." Also two other issues have jaded me against some of the folks over there. First is the whole Masada/ACR fiasco. Another one of those "looky at what we have now wait" deals, plus selling it off to Remington/Bushmaster. Second is some crap that went down post Obama election. They had a sales guy there getting kickbacks from a dealer in Houston to get a steady supply of PMags while other dealers couldn't sell their soul to get some in stock. Not to mention this dealer was ass raping folks on the price to pay for the kick back. No hard facts that this happened, but got the word about it from a inside source. |
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I understand that, but look at the company's that have already done that, a number of company's have copied magpul products and they don't sell plus the internet "crowd" reacts negatively to the company's that do it, plus Magpul makes the product better and that proves it's self out over time. Look at how many bad CTR rip offs there are, if any one posted a pic of there gun with one of them on it they would be laughed out of town.
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Look, I'm an enormous fan of Magpul, and i understand the rational of why they think the "Magpul Middle finger" quote needs to be used, but i'm the kind of person that doesn't like to be punished for the miss deeds of others. To me blacking out your fans because of the way a few idiots behave just doesn't sit right with me and it never has. To me the reason why Magpul has such a loyal following was 2 part; 1 they make great kit at an awesome price, PERIOD, and 2 they were the anti-establishment company, and in the early days particularly i recall when the MAID grip was being developed often included this board and it's users directly in the design process, I don't expect that any more but the TOTAL black out is a smack in the face to me, that said I'm still a huge Magpul fan but with this one caveat, and I know many others agree with me. It also has to do with keeping their ideas under wraps, so other companies can't get a sneak peek at what they're doing, and then jump on the bandwagon with their own. At least I remember seeing something along those lines posted here once upon a time. While I do have some angst at how things are run over at Magpul, I do like the products. Its the whole "look at what we have! You know you want it! When will we release it? Well maybe next fall..err no make that the spring 2 years form now..err no wait..." Also two other issues have jaded me against some of the folks over there. First is the whole Masada/ACR fiasco. Another one of those "looky at what we have now wait" deals, plus selling it off to Remington/Bushmaster. Second is some crap that went down post Obama election. They had a sales guy there getting kickbacks from a dealer in Houston to get a steady supply of PMags while other dealers couldn't sell their soul to get some in stock. Not to mention this dealer was ass raping folks on the price to pay for the kick back. No hard facts that this happened, but got the word about it from a inside source. As for the issues mentioned... 1. The Masada has been covered here extensively. In short the decision to license the rifle is the reason you can buy it today. It could not have been produced effectively with the resources Magpul had at the time. 2. Post Obama election PMags were apportioned to dealers on a daily basis. This was based upon several factors designed to spread limited production amongst as much of the population as possible. None of factors involved "kickbacks" and our dealer and retail prices remained the same during that time. FYI If anyone has any information on any Magpul employee receiving "kickbacks" of any sort please forward the information to me via this site and I will deal with it in a direct manner. |
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I agree the PMag issues sucked post election, I paid as much as $25 per PMag in order to ensure I had some before some New Change Ban. And I agree that it sucks that we are all punished because a few here have to complain about Magpul, but their tight lipped business model makes sense, I have worked in a similair industry where your direct competitors would copy everything, you replace DC motors with AC onse and one month later the competitor does it too, and so forth, it sucks, but Magpul has to ensure that they dont get opied a month after a release or prior to a release, there are other companies out there, and while most of them (UTG) suck, there are a few that could very easily edge in on their market. But that is also why there are patents and patent lawyers, to help you get around patents while making and identical product. 
––––- Anyway, back to the Monolith Arms products that you guys bought, can you share any info on them? Maybe Shot Show Jan 2011! 
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I understand that, but look at the company's that have already done that, a number of company's have copied magpul products and they don't sell plus the internet "crowd" reacts negatively to the company's that do it, plus Magpul makes the product better and that proves it's self out over time. Look at how many bad CTR rip offs there are, if any one posted a pic of there gun with one of them on it they would be laughed out of town.
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Look, I'm an enormous fan of Magpul, and i understand the rational of why they think the "Magpul Middle finger" quote needs to be used, but i'm the kind of person that doesn't like to be punished for the miss deeds of others. To me blacking out your fans because of the way a few idiots behave just doesn't sit right with me and it never has. To me the reason why Magpul has such a loyal following was 2 part; 1 they make great kit at an awesome price, PERIOD, and 2 they were the anti-establishment company, and in the early days particularly i recall when the MAID grip was being developed often included this board and it's users directly in the design process, I don't expect that any more but the TOTAL black out is a smack in the face to me, that said I'm still a huge Magpul fan but with this one caveat, and I know many others agree with me. It also has to do with keeping their ideas under wraps, so other companies can't get a sneak peek at what they're doing, and then jump on the bandwagon with their own. At least I remember seeing something along those lines posted here once upon a time. While I do have some angst at how things are run over at Magpul, I do like the products. Its the whole "look at what we have! You know you want it! When will we release it? Well maybe next fall..err no make that the spring 2 years form now..err no wait..." Also two other issues have jaded me against some of the folks over there. First is the whole Masada/ACR fiasco. Another one of those "looky at what we have now wait" deals, plus selling it off to Remington/Bushmaster. Second is some crap that went down post Obama election. They had a sales guy there getting kickbacks from a dealer in Houston to get a steady supply of PMags while other dealers couldn't sell their soul to get some in stock. Not to mention this dealer was ass raping folks on the price to pay for the kick back. No hard facts that this happened, but got the word about it from a inside source. So it boils down to lack of Patience. The whole point of a movie trailer or sneak preview is to give people a heads up(hey this is coming down the pike), and promote discussion and interest, or Buzz... it's a pretty sound business technique, and seems to be working for them. Anything that is going on a fighting rifle should only be released when it's ready. Anyhow looking forward to Shot. |
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Quoted: Wow did we get off topic... I agree the PMag issues sucked post election, I paid as much as $25 per PMag in order to ensure I had some before some New Change Ban. And I agree that it sucks that we are all punished because a few here have to complain about Magpul, but their tight lipped business model makes sense, I have worked in a similair industry where your direct competitors would copy everything, you replace DC motors with AC onse and one month later the competitor does it too, and so forth, it sucks, but Magpul has to ensure that they dont get opied a month after a release or prior to a release, there are other companies out there, and while most of them (UTG) suck, there are a few that could very easily edge in on their market. But that is also why there are patents and patent lawyers, to help you get around patents while making and identical product. ––––- Anyway, back to the Monolith Arms products that you guys bought, can you share any info on them? Maybe Shot Show Jan 2011! Hell, I'd like the Monolith Arms shotgun to come out! I have a SBR PS90.... why not have a shotgun version of it.  |
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So it boils down to lack of Patience. The whole point of a movie trailer or sneak preview is to give people a heads up(hey this is coming down the pike), and promote discussion and interest, or Buzz... it's a pretty sound business technique, and seems to be working for them. Anything that is going on a fighting rifle should only be released when it's ready. Anyhow looking forward to Shot. I think there is a little more to it than lack of patience. I think having a rough estimate of when a product that we have to set money aside for is coming out is a good thing, and people are always going to demand that. Unfortunately Magpul are perfectionists (which is one of the reasons so many people like them) so if something is slated to release but is not living up to the Magpul name they put it on hold until it is right or shelve it (ex. iphone case). I think the real problem here is Magpul balancing being open about a perspective release date being pushed out into questionmarkland but not hurting the buzz. I know they don't want to kill the buzz, but when they keep things as close to the chest as they have lately you run the risk of being labeled vaporware. I think from here on out though we will see them under promise and over deliver (sadly that means we don't get to be as involved in the developement and droolfest that comes with a company publicly R&Ding here) Either way they are calling the shots so they do what they do and we have wait or buy something else no reason to get upset about it (ps I am a giant hypocrite I was way over involved in the ACR hatefest after the msrp was listed so take it for what it's worth) |
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So it boils down to lack of Patience. The whole point of a movie trailer or sneak preview is to give people a heads up(hey this is coming down the pike), and promote discussion and interest, or Buzz... it's a pretty sound business technique, and seems to be working for them. Anything that is going on a fighting rifle should only be released when it's ready. Anyhow looking forward to Shot. I think there is a little more to it than lack of patience. I think having a rough estimate of when a product that we have to set money aside for is coming out is a good thing, and people are always going to demand that. Unfortunately Magpul are perfectionists (which is one of the reasons so many people like them) so if something is slated to release but is not living up to the Magpul name they put it on hold until it is right or shelve it (ex. iphone case). I think the real problem here is Magpul balancing being open about a perspective release date being pushed out into questionmarkland but not hurting the buzz. I know they don't want to kill the buzz, but when they keep things as close to the chest as they have lately you run the risk of being labeled vaporware. I think from here on out though we will see them under promise and over deliver (sadly that means we don't get to be as involved in the developement and droolfest that comes with a company publicly R&Ding here) Either way they are calling the shots so they do what they do and we have wait or buy something else no reason to get upset about it (ps I am a giant hypocrite I was way over involved in the ACR hatefest after the msrp was listed so take it for what it's worth) For the record magpul never stated anything, sombody snagged a copy of generalities and now they are being heald to that |
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For the record magpul never stated anything, sombody snagged a copy of generalities and now they are being heald to that I think I was responding to thread drift regarding magpul's product releases and info that they choose or choose not to provide rather than the specific topic at hand. I should have clarified that |
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Throwing my 2 cents in here...
I love Magpul products. They are tough, modular, and priced right. I would stick an AFG on the front of my FS2000 if I had the tri rail on it... However like most people with an FS2K [I assume] I have the stock, rounded fore arm on it. Rather than dropping $150 to $200 on a HEAVY aluminum tri-rail, I would rather have a lighter, polymer rail similar to the V2 Monolith design with removable rails [I would rather just have the bottom rail and sling attachment points left and right...help avoid the temptation of hanging extra CRAP off my gun]. I think most of us here just want to know if you are working on it and if it will be coming out in a reasonable amount of time. If its going to be 6 to 12 months, I will hold onto my money and buy Magpul. If its going to be 3 to 5 years, I might as well suck it up and buy the FN tri rail now, and MAYBE get the Magpul offering when it comes out. It would suck to go out and get the tri rail and then Magpul releases their version a couple months later for half the price and in a more desirable configuration. Then guys like me will have wasted the money on a tri rail. Please? |
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Oh come on guys, lets be realistic on that one. They didn't even have a working prototype of that shotty IIRC
Come on Magpul, you guys are my only hope for that FS2K Forestock! Actually i wouldn't mind seeing Magpul work on new uppers for the FS2K too...but now I'm the one dreaming. |
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Maybe. I would like a MOE style handguard for the FS2000. Something that you can bolt or remove rails and such too. Heck, I've been tempted to take a spare FS2000 handguard, and JBweld an MOE rifle length lower handguard onto the bottom just as a proof of concept [might anyway]. Only real issue would be the trigger guard.
I'm not unreasonable. I understand market segment, it just bothers me that they would buy a company with a promise to continue their product line, only to cancel the product line when it was all said and done. I'm assuming its not canceled, but just postponed. I just would like to know if I should spend the time and effort on my own solution, or save my money and buy a magpul solution. I am not paying $150 for a tri rail that adds weight and very little real estate to my FS. |
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Maybe. I would like a MOE style handguard for the FS2000. Something that you can bolt or remove rails and such too. Heck, I've been tempted to take a spare FS2000 handguard, and JBweld an MOE rifle length lower handguard onto the bottom just as a proof of concept [might anyway]. Only real issue would be the trigger guard. I'm not unreasonable. I understand market segment, it just bothers me that they would buy a company with a promise to continue their product line, only to cancel the product line when it was all said and done. I'm assuming its not canceled, but just postponed. I just would like to know if I should spend the time and effort on my own solution, or save my money and buy a magpul solution. I am not paying $150 for a tri rail that adds weight and very little real estate to my FS. While the details of how we ended up with Monolith Arms are not relevant, we did not promise anything to anybody as far as I am aware. However, we’re always looking for ways to improve upon existing products and explore the boundaries of new ideas, but are not releasing any information on projects that may or may not be in the works. Keep an eye on our website for any updates. |
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Quoted: They make a selector switch for the FN SCAR..... I think there are more FN 2000s on the market then the SCAR. I wanted the P90 style handguard for the FS 2000. I have a PS90 and love it. But because I couldn't get that part for the 2000 I went with a MSAR E4 instead.Maybe. I would like a MOE style handguard for the FS2000. Something that you can bolt or remove rails and such too. Heck, I've been tempted to take a spare FS2000 handguard, and JBweld an MOE rifle length lower handguard onto the bottom just as a proof of concept [might anyway]. Only real issue would be the trigger guard. I'm not unreasonable. I understand market segment, it just bothers me that they would buy a company with a promise to continue their product line, only to cancel the product line when it was all said and done. I'm assuming its not canceled, but just postponed. I just would like to know if I should spend the time and effort on my own solution, or save my money and buy a magpul solution. I am not paying $150 for a tri rail that adds weight and very little real estate to my FS. |
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They make a selector switch for the FN SCAR..... I think there are more FN 2000s on the market then the SCAR. I wanted the P90 style handguard for the FS 2000. I have a PS90 and love it. But because I couldn't get that part for the 2000 I went with a MSAR E4 instead.
Maybe. I would like a MOE style handguard for the FS2000. Something that you can bolt or remove rails and such too. Heck, I've been tempted to take a spare FS2000 handguard, and JBweld an MOE rifle length lower handguard onto the bottom just as a proof of concept [might anyway]. Only real issue would be the trigger guard. I'm not unreasonable. I understand market segment, it just bothers me that they would buy a company with a promise to continue their product line, only to cancel the product line when it was all said and done. I'm assuming its not canceled, but just postponed. I just would like to know if I should spend the time and effort on my own solution, or save my money and buy a magpul solution. I am not paying $150 for a tri rail that adds weight and very little real estate to my FS. I agree, kinda think the SCAR selector is a silly product, but I bet anyone with a SCAR will say it works and works well. Glad Magpul is making stuff that solves the defenesies in many of the products on the market. But still how many $3000 SCARs are out there?
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They make a selector switch for the FN SCAR..... I think there are more FN 2000s on the market then the SCAR. I wanted the P90 style handguard for the FS 2000. I have a PS90 and love it. But because I couldn't get that part for the 2000 I went with a MSAR E4 instead.
Maybe. I would like a MOE style handguard for the FS2000. Something that you can bolt or remove rails and such too. Heck, I've been tempted to take a spare FS2000 handguard, and JBweld an MOE rifle length lower handguard onto the bottom just as a proof of concept [might anyway]. Only real issue would be the trigger guard. I'm not unreasonable. I understand market segment, it just bothers me that they would buy a company with a promise to continue their product line, only to cancel the product line when it was all said and done. I'm assuming its not canceled, but just postponed. I just would like to know if I should spend the time and effort on my own solution, or save my money and buy a magpul solution. I am not paying $150 for a tri rail that adds weight and very little real estate to my FS. SCAR selector was made for a deploying unit (testing the SCAR in combat) as a special favor. This is the sole reason it was produced. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They make a selector switch for the FN SCAR..... I think there are more FN 2000s on the market then the SCAR. I wanted the P90 style handguard for the FS 2000. I have a PS90 and love it. But because I couldn't get that part for the 2000 I went with a MSAR E4 instead.Maybe. I would like a MOE style handguard for the FS2000. Something that you can bolt or remove rails and such too. Heck, I've been tempted to take a spare FS2000 handguard, and JBweld an MOE rifle length lower handguard onto the bottom just as a proof of concept [might anyway]. Only real issue would be the trigger guard. I'm not unreasonable. I understand market segment, it just bothers me that they would buy a company with a promise to continue their product line, only to cancel the product line when it was all said and done. I'm assuming its not canceled, but just postponed. I just would like to know if I should spend the time and effort on my own solution, or save my money and buy a magpul solution. I am not paying $150 for a tri rail that adds weight and very little real estate to my FS. SCAR selector was made for a deploying unit (testing the SCAR in combat) as a special favor. This is the sole reason it was produced. Thank you for the answer. So is there any chance that the P90 style forearm for the FS 2000 will be coming back out on the market? Just looking for a straight answer. |
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They make a selector switch for the FN SCAR..... I think there are more FN 2000s on the market then the SCAR. I wanted the P90 style handguard for the FS 2000. I have a PS90 and love it. But because I couldn't get that part for the 2000 I went with a MSAR E4 instead.
Maybe. I would like a MOE style handguard for the FS2000. Something that you can bolt or remove rails and such too. Heck, I've been tempted to take a spare FS2000 handguard, and JBweld an MOE rifle length lower handguard onto the bottom just as a proof of concept [might anyway]. Only real issue would be the trigger guard. I'm not unreasonable. I understand market segment, it just bothers me that they would buy a company with a promise to continue their product line, only to cancel the product line when it was all said and done. I'm assuming its not canceled, but just postponed. I just would like to know if I should spend the time and effort on my own solution, or save my money and buy a magpul solution. I am not paying $150 for a tri rail that adds weight and very little real estate to my FS. SCAR selector was made for a deploying unit (testing the SCAR in combat) as a special favor. This is the sole reason it was produced. That is cool! |
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While the details of how we ended up with Monolith Arms are not relevant, we did not promise anything to anybody as far as I am aware. However, we’re always looking for ways to improve upon existing products and explore the boundaries of new ideas, but are not releasing any information on projects that may or may not be in the works. Keep an eye on our website for any updates. My appologies. I seemd to recall it being stated by the former owner of Monolith that the FS2K products were going to be produced by Magpul. I understand how this could be a hearsay situation, and should have thought a bit more about my post before hand. I have to agree with another poster. We would like to know IF we should be watching for FS2000 accessories, or if we should give up on it and go find other solutions. Kinda like when the phone company told me we wouldn't be getting DSL where I live in my life time. Instead of waiting for DSL, or cable [cable co. said the same thing about highspeed internet and cable service] we started looking at other options and solutions to being stuck on dial-up and broadcast TV |
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While the details of how we ended up with Monolith Arms are not relevant, we did not promise anything to anybody as far as I am aware. However, we’re always looking for ways to improve upon existing products and explore the boundaries of new ideas, but are not releasing any information on projects that may or may not be in the works. Keep an eye on our website for any updates. My appologies. I seemd to recall it being stated by the former owner of Monolith that the FS2K products were going to be produced by Magpul. I understand how this could be a hearsay situation, and should have thought a bit more about my post before hand. I have to agree with another poster. We would like to know IF we should be watching for FS2000 accessories, or if we should give up on it and go find other solutions. Kinda like when the phone company told me we wouldn't be getting DSL where I live in my life time. Instead of waiting for DSL, or cable [cable co. said the same thing about highspeed internet and cable service] we started looking at other options and solutions to being stuck on dial-up and broadcast TV I will agree with you that would be nice, but Magpul will likely say they wont make anything ever, and in a few years or whenever they will just decide to make it and tell you sorry we changed our minds... 
I had a similar issue with my DSL/Cable, everytime I called I got a different answer, and I went without internet and tv in my new home for 5 months waiting for the DSL to get installed, which was a total toss up on if they would install the repeater that was needed to provide service to my house. We called once a week to the local office (of Verizon) and they always changed their minds, but my other option was one of the worst Cable providers on the east coast, so it was worth the wait, but for awhile I was going to just go get the other providers service because the lines already worked, but their service sucked, but I waited and got my DSL for a good price and with good service. But you cant force them to do anything, both Magpul, and all other manufacturers are going to do what ever they want, and that is their right considering they own the company... I feel like all the super complainers here should start their own company and try to make all the things that Magpul wont make for them, like tampons, watches and sunglasses, etc, there is an entire other thread dedicated to shit people want with a Magpul Logo on it. Magpul makes great shit, I own a punch of it, and would love them to make other stuff, but if I needed a tampon and Magpul didn't make them for me, well I would go to another company... (You know what I mean!) If you want one company to make everything for you go to Russia, or North Korea.
I even heard someone ask for a AR stock from Magpul that was exactly like the VLTOR EMOD only better...? WTF, I think some people would rather go gearless and bury their heads in the sand than outfit their ARs with anything that Magpul didnt make. Surprised some of the people here dont swear off all barrels, cars, underwear, toilets, homes and jobs because Magpul doesn't make them. |
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MAGPUL............ I'd just like to say........ Run your business the way you see fit. Please continue to make quality gear and coming up with new ideas that the end user enjoys using and can afford.
I'm not a MAGPUL fanboy (whatever that is) I'm just a regular cop and firearm enthusiast that likes quality gear from quality companies. Just had to say this...... the thread may continue. |
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MAGPUL............ I'd just like to say........ Run your business the way you see fit. Please continue to make quality gear and coming up with new ideas that the end user enjoys using and can afford. I'm not a MAGPUL fanboy (whatever that is) I'm just a regular cop and firearm enthusiast that likes quality gear from quality companies. Just had to say this...... the thread may continue. Word. |
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I will agree with you that would be nice, but Magpul will likely say they wont make anything ever, and in a few years or whenever they will just decide to make it and tell you sorry we changed our minds... That would be just fine, again, those of us who want the items that were being manufactured by Monolith, that the scuttlebutt said Magpul was going to take over manufacturing on, just want to know when or if so we can decide where to go from here. If that changes 2 years down the road, and what Magpul comes out with is better than the solution I come up with, I'll probably buy the magpul item. If it comes out in 6 months though, after being told nothing is going to happen and I sink $50 to $100 into my own solution, I'll probably wait a while to get it. I have a feeling many of the FS2K owners out there feel the same way. I feel like all the super complainers here should start their own company and try to make all the things that Magpul wont make for them, like tampons, watches and sunglasses, etc, there is an entire other thread dedicated to shit people want with a Magpul Logo on it.
Magpul makes great shit, I own a punch of it, and would love them to make other stuff, but if I needed a tampon and Magpul didn't make them for me, well I would go to another company... (You know what I mean!) If you want one company to make everything for you go to Russia, or North Korea.
I even heard someone ask for a AR stock from Magpul that was exactly like the VLTOR EMOD only better...? WTF, I think some people would rather go gearless and bury their heads in the sand than outfit their ARs with anything that Magpul didnt make. Surprised some of the people here dont swear off all barrels, cars, underwear, toilets, homes and jobs because Magpul doesn't make them. I'm not saying it HAS to be made by Magpul. IF Magpul isn't going to make the monolith P90 style foregrips, and someone else makes something worth getting, I'll go that route. If nobody makes it...well, I have some ideas on how to make my own, but its probably gonna be fugly, and probably not near as good as Magpul or someone else can make it. And no, a 2 lbs aluminum tri rail is not an acceptable solution. If I am going to hang 2 lbs off the front of my FS, that better include the flashlight, power source, and forgrip in the weight, for over $150 Edit: Oh and guys, I'm not dissing Magpul. You guys make great gear. Keep up the good work. I'm just trying to figure out if I should save my money or break out the hack saw, JB weld and dremel tool |
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I will agree with you that would be nice, but Magpul will likely say they wont make anything ever, and in a few years or whenever they will just decide to make it and tell you sorry we changed our minds... That would be just fine, again, those of us who want the items that were being manufactured by Monolith, that the scuttlebutt said Magpul was going to take over manufacturing on, just want to know when or if so we can decide where to go from here. If that changes 2 years down the road, and what Magpul comes out with is better than the solution I come up with, I'll probably buy the magpul item. If it comes out in 6 months though, after being told nothing is going to happen and I sink $50 to $100 into my own solution, I'll probably wait a while to get it. I have a feeling many of the FS2K owners out there feel the same way. I feel like all the super complainers here should start their own company and try to make all the things that Magpul wont make for them, like tampons, watches and sunglasses, etc, there is an entire other thread dedicated to shit people want with a Magpul Logo on it.
Magpul makes great shit, I own a punch of it, and would love them to make other stuff, but if I needed a tampon and Magpul didn't make them for me, well I would go to another company... (You know what I mean!) If you want one company to make everything for you go to Russia, or North Korea.
I even heard someone ask for a AR stock from Magpul that was exactly like the VLTOR EMOD only better...? WTF, I think some people would rather go gearless and bury their heads in the sand than outfit their ARs with anything that Magpul didnt make. Surprised some of the people here dont swear off all barrels, cars, underwear, toilets, homes and jobs because Magpul doesn't make them. I'm not saying it HAS to be made by Magpul. IF Magpul isn't going to make the monolith P90 style foregrips, and someone else makes something worth getting, I'll go that route. If nobody makes it...well, I have some ideas on how to make my own, but its probably gonna be fugly, and probably not near as good as Magpul or someone else can make it. And no, a 2 lbs aluminum tri rail is not an acceptable solution. If I am going to hang 2 lbs off the front of my FS, that better include the flashlight, power source, and forgrip in the weight, for over $150 Edit: Oh and guys, I'm not dissing Magpul. You guys make great gear. Keep up the good work. I'm just trying to figure out if I should save my money or break out the hack saw, JB weld and dremel tool Yea the tri-rail from FN is a terrible option, no ergos, weight and expense, nothing good about it at all, well except that it is well made, and if you cant mod your own stock hand guard then you can get a light on the tri-rail, but the cut out for the standard handguard practically is outlined for you on the inside, just some dremel work. I would like for Magpul of anyone for that matter to make this, until then, I am going to mod the standard grip, put a flashlight in it, and put some grip tape on it, if Magpul releases this grip in the enxt 6 months or 6 years I will really only be out the cost of the grip tape, becuase the light will move over to the new grip, and the standard handguard came with the gun...
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Oh I have already done the flashlight in standard handguard setup. I was just looking for something a little more...complicated I guess. Its not that I CANT its that I would rather support a company doing good work and making something better than I could cobble together.
Oh well, guess we'll see what I can come up with since I have another hand guard being shipped so I can cut it up and epoxy the hell out of it. Who knows, maybe I'll have to find the funds to start my own company making what I come up with? Yah right. |
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Okay, one more comment and I will shut up
I just got a spare handguard in, and I was thinking how awsome the bottom of an MOE handguard glued to it might be...especially if the mold were set up so you can bolt MOE rails and grips to it. Maybe something that reaches out past the end of the stock like a middy length or even a rifle length, and you could even tweak it to take a shortened upper guard to wrap around the barrel and provide additional rail space... I think I have a project now... I just hate prototyping for free...cause if it turns out right, you guys at Magpul have all the rights to the componants and can make your own version. Oh well 
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