Posted: 5/27/2009 9:50:32 AM EDT
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Well its the truth - I now have two rifles with no retention @ the front of the magpul trigger guard -
Stupid to have the tiny set screw that won't thread and is so small that it allways strips out. I have seen many other people with the same problem now. WHY did you not design it like the factory spring detent - are you going to do something about this issue? Oh, and I have about 10 P-mags that don't drop free....................(20 or so that do) - 
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First, if you have had this issue twice now, and it has not been reported as an issue with the thousands of others using the trigger guard, perhaps it is more likely that it is a malfunction in the installer, and not in the product.
Second, if you try the same PMags in other rifles and they fail to drop free, you would have a point. If they drop free in other rifles, then the issue is with your magwell. Also, Pmags are easily adjusted so they will drop free. Stating that Colt magazines drop free of your mag well demonstrates absolutely nothing. Lastly, I am not sure if anyone gave you any kind of instruction in how to make a persuasive argument when addressing your issues to a company, but if they did you clearly ignored them here. There are far less confrontational (and much more successful) methods of presenting your argument. |
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First, if you have had this issue twice now, and it has not been reported as an issue with the thousands of others using the trigger guard, perhaps it is more likely that it is a malfunction in the installer, and not in the product. Second, if you try the same PMags in other rifles and they fail to drop free, you would have a point. If they drop free in other rifles, then the issue is with your magwell. Also, Pmags are easily adjusted so they will drop free. Stating that Colt magazines drop free of your mag well demonstrates absolutely nothing. Lastly, I am not sure if anyone gave you any kind of instruction in how to make a persuasive argument when addressing your issues to a company, but if they did you clearly ignored them here. There are far less confrontational (and much more successful) methods of presenting your argument. Good pionts - I apreciate constructive reply - but you are way off - my point is that the product that I piad for dosen't work as advertised. yes I follow the installation instructions - but no good! Also trying to point out what I think to bad a bad design. the set screw is prone to failure! even before it's used.....Can they not use a spring detent like the orig.? - would be easier to install and there would be no guys like me bitching about it? problem solved? Come on, I am not the only one who has experienced this problem Also I have another 25 or so P-mags that do drop free. What is this "Adjustment" that you speak off? And what do you mean about not knowing how to whatever (argue my point ) with a manufacturer? should I be "nice" - wtf? I would expect that the guys over @ magpul are all adults, and would understand my frustration. If you bought a new dishwasher and got it home only to find out that it doesn't wash dishes, what would you do? Anyway are you some kind of "Instructor?" ––––-blah blah blah |
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What the shit are you talking about Forest? Never stripped a set screw, either. pics incomming - The set screw hole doesn't line up 
Hard to focus on a small item - this pic shows (kind of) a rifle with the grip / trigger guard - set screw hole does not line up. I bought this rifle like this, (the former owner had this problem) but did not disclose.... 
IMHO the solution - 
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you are talking about the MIAD integrated trigger guard?
what kind of lower is that? are you sure the pistol grip screw is tightened completely and the MIAD is perfectly flush with the receiver ETA: that detent won't fix the fact that your grip isn't lining up, period. ETA 2: those are two different receivers with two different trigger guards and grips 
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good one - ok 
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you are talking about the MIAD integrated trigger guard? what kind of lower is that? are you sure the pistol grip screw is tightened completely and the MIAD is perfectly flush with the receiver The intergated grip is on a Sabre defense and the guard only is on an Anvil........I'll check to be sure that the grip is all the way tight.....yup tight and flush..... |
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you are talking about the MIAD integrated trigger guard? what kind of lower is that? are you sure the pistol grip screw is tightened completely and the MIAD is perfectly flush with the receiver ETA: that detent won't fix the fact that your grip isn't lining up, period. ETA 2: those are two different receivers with two different trigger guards and grips
yep two different problems........arrrrrrgggg!!!! the sabre has the intergrated grip/guard and the Anvil has the guard only |
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so far neither problem you showed has anything to do with what you stated in your original post (the set screw strips out) and your "spring detent" fix won't remedy the situation...
what you are showing is - a poor picture of what is supposed to be the aluminum trigger guard not lining up properly. even the rear doesn't look installed properly. this is not common at all and has not happened on the dozen or so that i've installed. call magpul, tell them that it is not installing properly and have them replace it. if you followed the instructions, LINK, you would have seen this at STEP 2 - the integrated trigger guard not lining up properly can be remedied by installing the trigger guard set screw first, then installing the MIAD grip. |
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so far neither problem you showed has anything to do with what you stated in your original post (the set screw strips out) and your "spring detent" fix won't remedy the situation... what you are showing is - a poor picture of what is supposed to be the aluminum trigger guard not lining up properly. even the rear doesn't look installed properly. this is not common at all and has not happened on the dozen or so that i've installed. call magpul, tell them that it is not installing properly and have them replace it. if you followed the instructions, LINK, you would have seen this at STEP 2 - yep- check fit - the integrated trigger guard not lining up properly can be remedied by installing the trigger guard set screw first, then installing the MIAD grip. If I can get some more set screws I will do this |
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I have them installe don every rifle I have and I have Never had a single problem. They range through Coplt's, Sabre Defense, PWA, Bushmaster, SNS INdustries, DPMS, Cav Arms,
However after rereading this thread and looking at your pics again I think I know the problem. You forgot to remove your CLOWNSHOES first. Seriously a caveman could do thius and you screwed it up TWICE. BTW if yoru pmags do nto drop free it is likely an out of spec magwell not the mag. |
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I have them installe don every rifle I have and I have Never had a single problem. They range through Coplt's, Sabre Defense, PWA, Bushmaster, SNS INdustries, DPMS, Cav Arms, However after rereading this thread and looking at your pics again I think I know the problem. You forgot to remove your CLOWNSHOES first. Seriously a caveman could do thius and you screwed it up TWICE. BTW if yoru pmags do nto drop free it is likely an out of spec magwell not the mag. That was helpful MR. know it all - you must be a scientist - I'm not mechanically challenged, it's simple - if the dang thing fit................ 1. The grip/guard combo on the Sabre came this way, I can plainly see that the holes don't line up. After I took possession of the rifle I asked the orig. owner about the issue, he said that he could never get the set screw to seat. and that is how it is today...... I have never had the set screw for this one. 2. The enhanced guard on the Anvil I bought @ a local shop, and followed the instructions,.................and it won't fit. I don't think that I can state the issue any simpler |
Please folks, let's be cordial. The gentleman is having a problem with his Trigger Guards and is frustrated because he doesn't know why- in fact, I don't have a clue what could be going on either. 
Please contact me for some new set screws or if you'd like we can arrange for some complete replacements to try. With all the variables that can be present with AR15 lowers I'm surprised we DON'T see more issues than we do, but I am perplexed in these two cases because I see problem trigger guards about as much as problem PMAGs- which is very rarely... BTW If the holes aren't lining up with your lower then a spring plunger system would not line up either. We abandoned that setup since the Enhanced Trigger Guard is not designed to fold. |
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i've seen some people have success by installing the set screw first and then the roll pin after, when they had issues... trigger guard is awesome  This was the case for me. On a bushmaster lower, with the roll pin installed first, the holes at the set screw did not line up, so after taking it back off i installed the set screw first then the roll pin went in smooth,  worked like a champ and problem solved. (although this wont solve your stripped screws, sorry)
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| I have installed several of these trigger guards in both configurations. The aluminum guards are fairly simple and should go on without a hitch if your lower is in spec.. The integrated MIAD trigger guard, which I like better, is a little tough. I always have to push it from underneath and then tap the set screw lightly with a small punch to line it up. Be careful not to tap the punch to hard or your destined to kill the screw. Once it is lined up properly, with downward pressure, screw it in with the allen wrench that is provided. If you are using different allen wrenches exe, standard vs. metric then you can easily strip any screw on any AR accessory. It is polymer and will be somewhat pliable, albeit very little. I enjoy both models, as it seals the gap between the grip and the trigger guard that causes that nasty blister on my have a good day finger. The extra room inside the trigger area actually helps for glove wear for us high speed low drag guys. I run them on all of my entry weapons and have been satisfied. I hope this helps you master your weapon system. |
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I stripped my set screw then screwed it up with the pliers I had to use to remove it, so I emailed Justin about it and just got in a new screw today. I think the problem with mine was that the Loctite was completely stopping it from screwing in, and that I've never followed the whole "don't force it" thing I'll try installing the new screw tonight or tomorrow, after removing a majority of the Loctite.
P.S. Thanks for the help, Justin and everyone else at Magpul
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Thanks for the help and advice, I'm still learning. And I applaud Magpul for comming in to help......E-mail inbound......for set screws -
I will install the set screw 1st then the roll pin, and repeat. I think that the P-mags will drop free with a little of sand paper work on the retainer. And to the guys that chimed in with the condecending know-it all comments - well, I'll just say that you were not helpful and leave it @ that. |