Posted: 2/5/2009 3:44:40 PM EDT
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First off: I started speaking to a recruiter before I saw the tacked thread in here - I wish I would have known about that program first. Oh well.
I'm a former Marine Sgt - I did 6 years in the reserves, about 2 of those on active duty of one kind or another. I've been out for about 2 years, and now I'm thinking about joining the GA National Guard as an 89D. The recruiter tells me there's a Guard EOD unit in Marietta (202nd EOD?) that I could get a slot in, provided I pass EOD school. My questions are: Does any know anything about that unit? Anyone ever worked with them, or Guard EOD units in general? |
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Anyone ever worked with them, or Guard EOD units in general? I have not worked with them in particular, but I guess it would be like any other Guard or Reserve unit = Exactly like Active duty but with 20 more lbs on and half assed.  Jokes...
Seriously, the caliber of EOD troops has dropped since I've last worked with them (2006) to now. I highly suggest you ensure you are motivated to do the work and moreover able to STAY motivated. At least here in country, they are doing redundant work, sadly. If you are using it as a vehicle to be able to it on the civie side, it is probably your best venue for networking and job placement. Either way, I hope it works out for you if you decide to take that road. V OUT |
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Anyone ever worked with them, or Guard EOD units in general? I have not worked with them in particular, but I guess it would be like any other Guard or Reserve unit = Exactly like Active duty but with 20 more lbs on and half assed. Jokes...
I guess that's why my old reserve unit out shot and generally out performed our AD counterparts constantly  . It's all in good fun 
Seriously, the caliber of EOD troops has dropped since I've last worked with them (2006) to now. Out of curiosity: In what way? Skill level or just general soldierly manner? I highly suggest you ensure you are motivated to do the work and moreover able to STAY motivated. At least here in country, they are doing redundant work, sadly. If you are using it as a vehicle to be able to it on the civie side, it is probably your best venue for networking and job placement. Either way, I hope it works out for you if you decide to take that road. V OUT What do you mean by "redundant work" (if OPSEC allows you to answer that)? |
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I had a meeting with the recruiter today. Looks like I might not retain E-5, but we'll see.
I have another question: I have a wife, mortgage, etc. During school (which is long), I know I'll receive BAH - but to pay for what lodging? I've heard horror stories of NG soldiers in my situation being told that the BAH is for local housing, not their house/dependents at home. The recruiter assured me that BAH pays for my actual home, and the NG unit pays for on base lodging at school. Is that correct? Last time I went to MOS school, I was an 18yr old PFC who owned nothing but an old car and some clothes, so this situation is new to me.
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Here is your answer. I just left the 20th SUPCOM and the Guard EOD was under our Training and Oversight. I went to EOD school with the first Guard EOD class.
Bottom line: They perform NO CONUS response. They have regular rotations to Kosovo. Their 111th Ord Bde (EOD) HQ will be going to Iraq in about 16 months to take over TF Troy. Call one of the units. Why don't you just go full time EOD. Great signing bonus.
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My wife would probably kneecap me in my sleep if I mentioned going active
I intend to pry some contact info out of the recruiter for the unit she has in mind. I assumed I would need to interview with the unit beforehand anyways, but she said that's not the case. Recruiters lie. Call one of the units. Or call the 111th HQ. Talk to them. They will give you the real story. |
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The caliber of Techs in the field has not changed or slipped this is my third tour in country my men are just as good as I was when I wore their rank and filled their duty slot. If a tech ever thinks that the job they are doing is redundant they have a good chance of having their ass turned into a fine pink missed and sprayed all over some third world shit hole. Right now the Guard EOD units are going everywhere except the Ira and Afghanistan. It takes a long time to get a Company up to the profeciency level required to operate int this enviroment. But the Guard units have a bigger piece of the homeland defense pie than we do right now and they get some kickass training out of it. Guard or active if you become a tech you get treated like one of us.
I think it's the greates job in the Army it pays really well come April as an E-7 I will be making about an extra grand a month just because of my skill set. The reenlistment bonuses cap out in the 6 figure area. So it's a good way of life if you can hack it and do the job. Just bear in mind just because you get to go to school does not gaurantee you can graduate.  "
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http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j204/pbaeod/DSC_1868.jpg Keep in mind just because you get to go to school doesn't mean you get to pass. Most schools are like that. ETA: Since you edited: Thanks, that's some good info. |
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The caliber of Techs in the field has not changed or slipped this is my third tour in country my men are just as good as I was when I wore their rank and filled their duty slot. If a tech ever thinks that the job they are doing is redundant they have a good chance of having their ass turned into a fine pink missed and sprayed all over some third world shit hole. Right now the Guard EOD units are going everywhere except the Ira and Afghanistan. It takes a long time to get a Company up to the profeciency level required to operate int this enviroment. But the Guard units have a bigger piece of the homeland defense pie than we do right now and they get some kickass training out of it. Guard or active if you become a tech you get treated like one of us. I think it's the greates job in the Army it pays really well come April as an E-7 I will be making about an extra grand a month just because of my skill set. The reenlistment bonuses cap out in the 6 figure area. So it's a good way of life if you can hack it and do the job. Just bear in mind just because you get to go to school does not gaurantee you can graduate. http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j204/pbaeod/DSC_1868.jpg" http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j204/pbaeod/SANY0164.jpg Take off the damn 20th patch and wear a REAL EOD UNIT patch. |
| Ahh you should know all about the CBRNE cake and why we have to wear it. I refuse to wear it as a combat patch since clifford told us we had to during the invasion while we sucking left hind tit with the 3rd ID and he was living down in Doha. Hopefully 70th will be authrorized one shortly that would be ok then. |
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You mean the 71st. I thought they designed one. The 52nd troopers are wearing the bomb patch again. The POS SGM at the 20th finally figured out they should wear it.
The 20th is the worst thing that ever happened to EOD and most of us REAL EOD troops hope and work toward its demise. Unfortunately I am now in a non-EOD job and I am not able to push for the changes. When I left a couple of months ago I told the CG what should be. Don't hold your breath. Army EOD is broken. The dumb-ass Chem officers managed to screw this thing up. I blame some EOD 06s of a few years ago for selling us down the river. I was out of the field for a long time and came back in two years ago and almost had a heart attack when I saw what happened. The Chem officers are convinced they don't have a mission and have tried to invent one...CBRNE. Nice try. Cannot wait to retire. EOD guys can make plenty of money on the outside. No shit. You knew that. |
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Ahh you should know all about the CBRNE cake and why we have to wear it. I refuse to wear it as a combat patch since clifford told us we had to during the invasion while we sucking left hind tit with the 3rd ID and he was living down in Doha. Hopefully 70th will be authrorized one shortly that would be ok then. Clifford is still around, damn, I remember his name when I was in. The older guys in my unit didn't like him. |
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You mean the 71st. I thought they designed one. The 52nd troopers are wearing the bomb patch again. The POS SGM at the 20th finally figured out they should wear it. The 20th is the worst thing that ever happened to EOD and most of us REAL EOD troops hope and work toward its demise. Unfortunately I am now in a non-EOD job and I am not able to push for the changes. When I left a couple of months ago I told the CG what should be. Don't hold your breath. Army EOD is broken. The dumb-ass Chem officers managed to screw this thing up. I blame some EOD 06s of a few years ago for selling us down the river. I was out of the field for a long time and came back in two years ago and almost had a heart attack when I saw what happened. The Chem officers are convinced they don't have a mission and have tried to invent one...CBRNE. Nice try. Cannot wait to retire. EOD guys can make plenty of money on the outside. No shit. You knew that. I can remember hating the 52nd but it sounds like the 20th really takes the cake. Not surprised some O-6's sold people down the river, seems to have been a long standing trend in EOD. I remember the older guys in my unit telling horror stories of Lt Col King back in the day. |
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Yeah...too bad about Ed King. He really isn't too bad these days as he is retired and a contractor working with JIEDDO.
Perhaps I am biased...I am a LTC.
But that fat bastid Clifford retired and is also contracting somewhere, I think. The former 52nd Commanders are supposedly the ones who sold out....names like Meehan and Mores come to mind. I commanded the 45th Det at Polk from 88-90 so you know I am older than dirt. But they were the days. We still had a bar. When the grenade range closed for a dud, our wait time was a six-pack of Bud....blah blah blah. I have the usual stories. |
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Yeah...too bad about Ed King. He really isn't too bad these days as he is retired and a contractor working with JIEDDO. Perhaps I am biased...I am a LTC.
But that fat bastid Clifford retired and is also contracting somewhere, I think. The former 52nd Commanders are supposedly the ones who sold out....names like Meehan and Mores come to mind. I commanded the 45th Det at Polk from 88-90 so you know I am older than dirt. But they were the days. We still had a bar. When the grenade range closed for a dud, our wait time was a six-pack of Bud....blah blah blah. I have the usual stories. So do I.
Who was that bastard who had command before Moore. Col Carr or Karr maybe? He was the one who decided it would be good to drag Army EOD kicking and screaming into "big green". It was all downhill from there. The old Vietnam era guys hated him with a passion. Meehan was cool when she was doing a staff tour in Korea. She used to drop by the bar at the 8th and party with us. I head she changed when she took command though. |
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I think it was COL Carr/Karr....That name came up alot too.
I did not know him. Either way, the 20th has mismanaged EOD entirely. The last G3 at the 20th was an Chem Officer. He had NO clue what the EOD mission and responsibility was. I had to highlight the regs to clue him in. He was there for about 9 months and did NOTHING. Now he is a one-star and the Commandant of the Chem School. The Army is just as corrupt and incompetent as the Federal Gummint in general. |
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Anyone ever worked with them, or Guard EOD units in general? I have not worked with them in particular, but I guess it would be like any other Guard or Reserve unit = Exactly like Active duty but with 20 more lbs on and half assed. Jokes...
I guess that's why my old reserve unit out shot and generally out performed our AD counterparts constantly . It's all in good fun
Seriously, the caliber of EOD troops has dropped since I've last worked with them (2006) to now. Out of curiosity: In what way? Skill level or just general soldierly manner? I highly suggest you ensure you are motivated to do the work and moreover able to STAY motivated. At least here in country, they are doing redundant work, sadly. If you are using it as a vehicle to be able to it on the civie side, it is probably your best venue for networking and job placement. Either way, I hope it works out for you if you decide to take that road. V OUT What do you mean by "redundant work" (if OPSEC allows you to answer that)? Caliber lacking in their soldierly manner. There does not seem to be that specific attention there was before, almost complacent characteristics come to mind. As for the redundant work. Maybe I should say incorrect work. I feel most command echelon do not correctly employ their EOD. These EOD troops are holding special traits that are not usually used nor exploited to the best of their ability because of red tape, unnecessary restrictions or just down right command ignorance. Just like scouts or LRRS team are routinely misused. I may only be speaking for my experience, but EOD should work for an EOD experienced commander and have the capacity to control every aspect of what they do. I'll shut up now as to not offend you guys, whom I do respect. V OUT |
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Anyone ever worked with them, or Guard EOD units in general? I have not worked with them in particular, but I guess it would be like any other Guard or Reserve unit = Exactly like Active duty but with 20 more lbs on and half assed. Jokes...
I guess that's why my old reserve unit out shot and generally out performed our AD counterparts constantly . It's all in good fun
Seriously, the caliber of EOD troops has dropped since I've last worked with them (2006) to now. Out of curiosity: In what way? Skill level or just general soldierly manner? I highly suggest you ensure you are motivated to do the work and moreover able to STAY motivated. At least here in country, they are doing redundant work, sadly. If you are using it as a vehicle to be able to it on the civie side, it is probably your best venue for networking and job placement. Either way, I hope it works out for you if you decide to take that road. V OUT What do you mean by "redundant work" (if OPSEC allows you to answer that)? Caliber lacking in their soldierly manner. There does not seem to be that specific attention there was before, almost complacent characteristics come to mind. As for the redundant work. Maybe I should say incorrect work. I feel most command echelon do not correctly employ their EOD. These EOD troops are holding special traits that are not usually used nor exploited to the best of their ability because of red tape, unnecessary restrictions or just down right command ignorance. Just like scouts or LRRS team are routinely misused. I may only be speaking for my experience, but EOD should work for an EOD experienced commander and have the capacity to control every aspect of what they do. I'll shut up now as to not offend you guys, whom I do respect. V OUT see my explanation above. |
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Anyone ever worked with them, or Guard EOD units in general? I have not worked with them in particular, but I guess it would be like any other Guard or Reserve unit = Exactly like Active duty but with 20 more lbs on and half assed. Jokes...
I guess that's why my old reserve unit out shot and generally out performed our AD counterparts constantly . It's all in good fun
Seriously, the caliber of EOD troops has dropped since I've last worked with them (2006) to now. Out of curiosity: In what way? Skill level or just general soldierly manner? I highly suggest you ensure you are motivated to do the work and moreover able to STAY motivated. At least here in country, they are doing redundant work, sadly. If you are using it as a vehicle to be able to it on the civie side, it is probably your best venue for networking and job placement. Either way, I hope it works out for you if you decide to take that road. V OUT What do you mean by "redundant work" (if OPSEC allows you to answer that)? Caliber lacking in their soldierly manner. There does not seem to be that specific attention there was before, almost complacent characteristics come to mind. As for the redundant work. Maybe I should say incorrect work. I feel most command echelon do not correctly employ their EOD. These EOD troops are holding special traits that are not usually used nor exploited to the best of their ability because of red tape, unnecessary restrictions or just down right command ignorance. Just like scouts or LRRS team are routinely misused. I may only be speaking for my experience, but EOD should work for an EOD experienced commander and have the capacity to control every aspect of what they do. I'll shut up now as to not offend you guys, whom I do respect. V OUT see my explanation above. My dick response without reading every post, which basically states my experience. Sorry, sir. V OUT |
I never felt it was a slight brother it's just that these are my troops and I woul carry a leaky gas can through hell for them. I would expect you to feel the same if I made the same statements . The field it is changing some good some bad but the fact of the matter is. This is our war and our time to shine I am not chasing a carrot I haven't even re-enlisted yet but I love what I do. I used to think there was nothing more exciting than making a manual approach on a daisy chained set of 155, with a pressure wire and an R/C backup in the middle of the night on some middle of nowhere MSR. Now I got a platoon of troops and at times I get to watch them do the same and nothing will wring the sweat out of you and make you feel like you have a stomach full of glass, than watching them follow in your footsteps. but nothing else will fill you so full of pride like watching them exceed you. So this is worth fighting for my Soldiers have served the mission well and deserve every ounce of credit I can give them. So as long as I can, I will stay in front of them and keep believing in what we do.
Yeah we got some boneheaded officers and CSMs but this isn't their war but what they leave behind I can either walk away from or try to inherit and turn around and bring back and turn into what I think it should be. Which is the mission and being able to execute it like nobody's business at a level of intensity that would make the lamen's head spin. Then when were done ring the bell and find someone to bring our drunk naked asses home.
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You guys in Theater are doing stuff that is more amazing and brilliant than any fiction writer could even try to imagine.
The way I see it; if anybody talks shit about EOD in Theater, they can come along and watch what you do. You don't get too many takers on that one. Sure, some teams may not be as busy as others. It all evens out over time, I am sure. Put it this way; there is a "Wall of Heroes" in the lobby of the 20th SUPCOM. On it are brass placards of all the 20th forces who have been KIA since 911. There are about 22 or so placards on the wall last I checked. They are ALL EOD TROOPS. And just Army EOD troops. There are Air Force, Navy and Marine EOD techs who have bought it. To be honest, those numbers are pretty damn good considering that some Army EOD companies have run 2000 or 3000 incidents in one deployment. Those numbers boggle the mind. But I am biased. Have a beer. |
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I never felt it was a slight brother it's just that these are my troops and I woul carry a leaky gas can through hell for them. I would expect you to feel the same if I made the same statements . The field it is changing some good some bad but the fact of the matter is. This is our war and our time to shine I am not chasing a carrot I haven't even re-enlisted yet but I love what I do. I used to think there was nothing more exciting than making a manual approach on a daisy chained set of 155, with a pressure wire and an R/C backup in the middle of the night on some middle of nowhere MSR. Now I got a platoon of troops and at times I get to watch them do the same and nothing will wring the sweat out of you and make you feel like you have a stomach full of glass, than watching them follow in your footsteps. but nothing else will fill you so full of pride like watching them exceed you. So this is worth fighting for my Soldiers have served the mission well and deserve every ounce of credit I can give them. So as long as I can, I will stay in front of them and keep believing in what we do.
Yeah we got some boneheaded officers and CSMs but this isn't their war but what they leave behind I can either walk away from or try to inherit and turn around and bring back and turn into what I think it should be. Which is the mission and being able to execute it like nobody's business at a level of intensity that would make the lamen's head spin. Then when were done ring the bell and find someone to bring our drunk naked asses home.  
You are one hell of a Platoon Daddy!!!!! Your the kind of Senior NCO who is going to have a profound influence on the younger troops who will in turn instill it into others. I commend you on staying in and trying to change for things for the better. I like the pic of your troop with no pants, reminds me of some the shit we would pull away from watching eyes. 
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I am finishing up phase 1 of EOD school right now, and have a lot of guard guys here with me. they do the same shit we do, and have to pass the course the same way. all I can say is you have to be motivated and really want to get into this field, because redstone alabama is a very trying place. Im on my way out the door to eglin AFB for phase 2. I am really enjoying learning the field but its no joke with the amount of work, time and physical amount of data being crammed into your noggin. we have many prior service marines coming into the school here. the post itself takes some getting used to, along with the unit you are attached to outside of school. its a pretty big culture shock coming from a real unit into a tradoc one, us combat arms guys get hit the hardest. its borderline demotivating, but phase 1 is only 2 months if you go true blue, and by all accounts I have heard eglin is a much better environment. I was attached to EOD as a security element in iraq, did OJT with them here in the states, and have gone through phase one of EOD school so far....and from my limited experience I can say its a real good gig. but, from what I have learned here, its gotta be something you want to see through to the end. if you have reservations about your desire to get into the field you need to square them away before you get here. good luck, and the EOD techs here on the board were really helpful in pointing me the right way when I was in your shoes looking to get answers. |
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I am the troop with no pants on. The day before one of my teams security NCO got into a pissing match with one of my team leaders because he took his ACU top off on the demo range then put his body armor back on. The security guy was worried about himself getting in trouble because he was letting EOD be out of uniform outside the wire. Well he took it to his chain of command and there 1SG told me my guys will have their tops on when they are on the range. So the next day I went out to the demo range with no pants on. Cause he didn't say anything about that. After that no one has said shit to my joes about being on the demo range with no tops on.
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I am the troop with no pants on. The day before one of my teams security NCO got into a pissing match with one of my team leaders because he took his ACU top off on the demo range then put his body armor back on. The security guy was worried about himself getting in trouble because he was letting EOD be out of uniform outside the wire. Well he took it to his chain of command and there 1SG told me my guys will have their tops on when they are on the range. So the next day I went out to the demo range with no pants on. Cause he didn't say anything about that. After that no one has said shit to my joes about being on the demo range with no tops on. Glad to see nothing has changed in EOD. Hope you didn't get sunburned legs. |
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Yeah...too bad about Ed King. He really isn't too bad these days as he is retired and a contractor working with JIEDDO. Perhaps I am biased...I am a LTC.
I commanded the 45th Det at Polk from 88-90 so you know I am older than dirt. But they were the days. We still had a bar. I must be even older. The 45th was my first assignment out of Indian Head in January 1966. I wasn't there long and went to Vietnam in July. |
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Yeah...too bad about Ed King. He really isn't too bad these days as he is retired and a contractor working with JIEDDO. Perhaps I am biased...I am a LTC.
I commanded the 45th Det at Polk from 88-90 so you know I am older than dirt. But they were the days. We still had a bar. I must be even older. The 45th was my first assignment out of Indian Head in January 1966. I wasn't there long and went to Vietnam in July. You're begging for me to post that dinosaur pic again. |
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I am the troop with no pants on. The day before one of my teams security NCO got into a pissing match with one of my team leaders because he took his ACU top off on the demo range then put his body armor back on. The security guy was worried about himself getting in trouble because he was letting EOD be out of uniform outside the wire. Well he took it to his chain of command and there 1SG told me my guys will have their tops on when they are on the range. So the next day I went out to the demo range with no pants on. Cause he didn't say anything about that. After that no one has said shit to my joes about being on the demo range with no tops on.
I love it. Promise us you will always be like this and never sell out like so many senior NCO's did. |
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Here is your answer. I just left the 20th SUPCOM and the Guard EOD was under our Training and Oversight. I went to EOD school with the first Guard EOD class. Bottom line: They perform NO CONUS response. They have regular rotations to Kosovo. Their 111th Ord Bde (EOD) HQ will be going to Iraq in about 16 months to take over TF Troy. Call one of the units. Why don't you just go full time EOD. Great signing bonus. What he said... |
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Hey, I am a prior service Marine leavng Ft Sill(WTC) in about 3 days. It is a tradoc enviornment, and most of the guys in the company are prior service Airforce, Army, and Navy, in that order. I think there is about 8 Marines in the entire company. It is BS as far as stupid mind fuck games they like to play here. They seem to forget that everyone here knows how the military works and they try to treat us like a bunch of 19 yrolds. My question is do they seperate the groups as far as prior service goes. I think the term is (inserts). And how is the studying conducted?. Also, What is the attrition rate? and how are the quarters?(squad bay, 4 man rooms, 2 man rooms, etc)
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Im at redstone as an insert right now. we are called MOS-T's there. Ill try to fill you in on as much as I can, because I was clueless about this whole process until I actually showed up, and not for a lack of trying.
basically we all get put into HQ/A Co, 832nd Ordnance. B Co is the 94 series AIT kids and C Co is the 89 series AIT. we form up with headquarters and do PT with them, divided by platoon. 1st platoon is 94 series MOS-T's, 2nd is 89 (non delta's), and third is 89D (EOD). you live in two man barracks rooms, with a common kitchen and bathroom. you do PT in the AM, hit chow, then be at class at 0800. you get out of class at 0400, hit recall formation, then chow, then be at study hall from 1800 to 2000. PT in the morning is garbage so a lot of us go straight to the gym after study hall. the rooms arent bad, I was expecting a lot worse, but being the barracks you have to put up with the drunken tirades every weekend from everyone in your building and the repurcussions every monday morning at formation. square everything away with your finances, vehicle, etc...because when you get here you will have zero time to do anything during the week, and nobody in headquarters in your chain of command is really motivated to help you with anything. this whole process is very trying. the school is interesting and keeps you involved, but just get used to not knowing anything about your immediate future or not knowing pesky little things like your graduation date, your ability to get permissive TDY, how the hell you will get housing at eglin, etc. I swear this process has been repeating itself here for years yet everyone in charge acts like this cycle is the absolute first one through and they dont know anything at all to help you. I passed my final test already and am within days of leaving here and I have no clue when my last day is or when I can start moving my family to florida, and how. a lot of guys have been getting their orders handed to them 12 hours before they have to report in florida, the same orders their wives need before they can even talk to transportation about the move. another thing, permissive TDY doesnt exist at eglin. supposedly you can get it via redstone before you report, but that would also entail knowing your graduation date more than two days before it hits and having some orders. get used to never deployed electronics techs chewing you out in formation about how you dont know what its like in a real unit or how you dont know shit about what you will do will bullets start flying, etc. and get used to working with females if you came from a combat unit like I did. I dont know the actual attrition rate, but it is an easy course to fail unless you stay on top of it. the MOS-T's are more likely to pass but ive seen more than a few bite the dust. if you study hard, keep to yourself, and dont piss anyone off it isnt that tough. I stress not to piss anyone off. If they dont want you here you will not graduate, no matter how hard you study. most people get dropped for things like getting arrested downtown in hunstville or getting DUI's, but people do fail the tests too. basically, redstone is ok schoolwise, but everything else here sucks. just push through and drive on, because you dont get to eglin until you pass here. |