Posted: 1/11/2007 1:34:49 PM EDT
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A RIF BOARD WILL BE CONVENED TO EVALUATE OFFICERS FOR CONTINUED RETENTION IN THE AIR FORCE BASED ON OVERAGE CAREER FIELDS AND COMMISSIONED YEAR GROUP (CAPT YEAR GROUP FOR JUDGE ADVOCATES). TO DO THIS, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED CAREER FIELDS CURRENTLY IN EXCESS OF SUSTAINMENT, BY YEAR GROUP, AND APPROPRIATE STRENGTH LEVELS. A CENTRAL SELECTION BOARD WILL MEET 11-29 JUN 07 TO EVALUATE OFFICERS FOR RETENTION. THE RIF BOARD MAY CONSIDER OFFICERS WITH MORE THAN 6 AND EXACTLY 12 YEARS OF ACTIVE COMMISSIONED SERVICE IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR GROUPS: 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, AND 2001. OFFICERS IN THE 1999 YEAR GROUP, IN THEIR PRIMARY ZONE FOR PROMOTION TO MAJOR, WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO MEET THE BOARD. IN ADDITION, NO ONE FROM THE 2002 TO 2006 YEAR GROUPS WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE BOARD EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR VSP BASED ON PRIOR ENLISTED TIME. JA OFFICER ELIGIBILITY WILL BE BASED ON CAPT YEAR GROUPS AND INDIVIDUAL ELIGIBILITY WILL BE CONTINGENT ON HAVING MORE THAN 6 AND EXACTLY 12 YEARS OF ACTIVE SERVICE AND BEING IN AN OVERAGE CAPT YEAR GROUP ON THE AFPC MATRIX. CAREER FIELD OVERAGE TARGETS WILL BE LOCATED ON THE SAME FORCE SHAPING MATRIX AS THE VSP TARGETS. THE RIF PROCESS IS EXPECTED TO ACHIEVE APPROXIMATELY 1,000 OFFICER REDUCTIONS. OFFICERS NOT SELECTED FOR RETENTION WILL BE SEPARATED NLT 29 JAN 08. I am year 2001. Here I am getting ready to deploy in the next 3 months and they pull this stuff.  Oh well use you and abuse you. I am a Logistics Officer so there should be jobs on the outside. Maybe my clearence will help too.Whatever happens I am going to get another OPR before I leave I might want to go to the Army. Anyone have an email for Brigadier General Maynard 'Sandy' Sanders. I might need a recommendation letter. |
No shit! I saw some of the best and brightest get kicked out the door, with not even a thank you or I'm sorry. My career field was one of the ones gutted the worst, they were giving 1-2 cjrs a month, and we had like 300 kids a year eligible, so they all got the shaft. I like how they are offering officers one year's pay if they involuntarily separate them or twice that if they volunteer, but gave the Es nothing at all. At least for the time being they must think they have cut enough of my guys, we are off the constrained list. I saw several 6 year guys that were awesome workers, BTZ SrA, first time SSgt, 7 levels, who got the shaft. Hell they kicked out a crew chief who was NCO of the year for his base. If they had at least had a waiver process I wouldn't be so pissed about it, but there was nothing I could do for the guys working for me, we went to the 1 star level and got nada. |
Well they just announced phase II of NCORP. If your AFSC is on that list you may want to look at your options. I would consider a special duty, you are likely to be untouchable there. 
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I have to remember at least I get something for leaving vesre the airmen I have. I was able to get all the ones that want to stay CJRs in my Suppy Flight this year but for 2008 I was told it will get harder. I have 1/3 first termers in my flight. My biggest joy has been leading troops I would hate to lose that. At least I get to vent here without keeping stuff in. |
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All those who did not recieve CJR's were eligible to cross-train into another career field. If they seperated it was because they made a choice to do so. Note: This is a broad statement of AF policy, the specific instance may be different due to individual circumstance. As for enlisted RIF...yes, the reinstitution of CJR's and forced cross training for overage career fields is expected to take care of "force shaping" for us E's. |
| There is another AF Loggie on this very board who is switching to Army. I can't remember his screen name, but maybe he will find this thread. The Army is still hurting for Loggie Captains. Having worked that field myself, many of them don't know an M1 Tank from an F16, so I wouldn't worry about playing "catch up" if you switch. |
I like the disclaimer. Almost all of "my" troops that got the shaft through force shaping tried to retrain. The AF screwed the process up so many ways that they basically had zero time to decide whether to wait out the cjr list and hope they made it in before they got separated, retrain, or get out. The list of jobs they were offered for retraining was pathetic, but still some of them tried. They ended up still getting shafted because the retraining process was too slow and their DOS came up before they got all the BS sorted out. I knew personally at least half a dozen cases that that happened to. Most of them got held up because of flight physicals, other unexpected disquals, etc. and the AF wouldn't let them extend to continue the retraining process. Sure, some of them made a decision that if they had to retrain they would rather separate, but it was not the majority of guys I knew. Most of them tried, and the AF screwed that up, so the guys got the double whammy and a swift kick in the ass on their way out the door. I was around for the RIF in the early/mid 90s and the VSI/SSB thing was handled much better than the current "force shaping" initiatives. All those bright future expeditors and pro supers that we kicked out will come back to bite us in the ass. So will all the freebie promotions during the "great staff givaway", that already has actually. 
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I've been in since 1981...I was there for the Reagan buildup and then the drawdown after Gulf War I. The VSI/SSB was better handled, but it set the stage for the royal fuck-up in the security forces and admin career fields. After VSI/SSB there were very few people left at the CBPO/MPF that actually had a clue as to their jobs. Same with secuirty forces...all the mid-level guys bailed and we (the USAF) were left with either very junior airmen or crusty old SOB's like me. We are still feeling the effects. I agree completely with you in regards to the promotion issue...we have SSgt's AND TSgt's who may be technically qualified but they do not understand how to lead or manage. And I agree 100% about us getting bit in the ass. The USAF as a corporate entity never learns it's lessons. Do you know how many changes I've seen, how many times we've gone around in circles going back to how we did things years ago after trying some "new and improved" management concept? I've been through AFR 66-1 (SAC maintenance bible), ROLS, POMO, COMO, etc. ad infinitum. I've been under a DCM, OPs, and LG, and now the MXG commander. As for your experiences with the CJR process...yes, I have been there also. I made it a mission of mine to have my subordinate supervisors brief early and often the CJR process and what it entailed. When an Airman was eligible, we pushed him/her to take care of their paperwork. If they had no chance in hell, we pushed cross training. I briefed get it in writing and get it dated. For the majority, it worked. All that being said, I fear for our (USAF) future. We have a lot of challenges facing us as far as aging aircraft and fleet recapitalization....and we want to do it with way less people. |
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Intresting development today. I called a friend at AFPC. There are only 254 in my year group as loggies. 130 have 12+ years from prior service so no RIF for them. Well that said they still need to get rid fo 93 from my year group so 124 are eligible for force shaping. I do not like those odds. 75% get the boot. Going job searching and just put in for some info for blue to green. I was told I am still being deployed soon because we are short of qualified deployable people  .
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Wow... just... wow. So they are overstrength and need to slice your career field in half at the same time they are short qualified people? If you figure that one out, let me know! |
Short qualified deployable people does not = short qualified people in his career field, chances are there are more variables besides his AFSC alone. Could be wrong though. ffhounddog, What do you have under your belt for depth and breadth? Any special duties? |
Maybe you can get hired on as a contractor and still do the same job. That seems to be the way the Navy is going. Reduce the uniformed force and replace them with contractors. Not in the same numbers of course. |
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Yeah I probally could be a contractor if I wanted to that is always an option. I just need to weigh all the options. I have been a Flight commander in a Logistics Readiness Flight, a Materail Management Flight, and a Management and Systems Flight, and have worked Ground and Air Transportation. I have been Safety Officer for a squadron and Security Officer for a squadron and an Installation Deployment Officer. I have also been a squadron Intel Officer for F-117s. I can post my Militay Education and Training and what they cross over into the civilian sector. I looked into crossing back into Intel but they are trying to get more people out. Thanks for helping out and all. I know alot of pilots who are taking the VSP because they do not fly as often as you think. If they are lucky 250 hours a year. |
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I can't believe how stupid our politicians are. Or the military brass, for that matter. We need to ENLARGE our forces, not shrink them! We need to re-open bases that were closed down and make them busy and productive and ready to fight. The world's only remaining superpower should have a military that is equal to the task of preserving our superpower status. What we have now is very capable but too much of it is engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan-related activities and it's simply too small overall. Just my opinion, of course. For some time to come, one speciality in the AF will be whatever the designation is for people who shuffle paperwork related to outprocessing of servicemen who are leaving, whether they want to or not. The undertaker's business is a steady one, immune to all temporary circumstances. CJ |
The more I see things like this, and how often they are repeated, I see more in common between the two than differences  I speculate, too, how much of this is due to the gutting that occured under Clinton. Lots of those who thrived 10 years ago are Colonel and above now..... |
| I know how that goes getting burned out. I stressed out a year ago and talked to life skills about it because I never got work done. I stay sane now by talking with the troops and helping them out when I can. I make sure they dont put in more than a 10 hour day and I stay until the last one leaves. I always have work to do there is never enough time. EPRs and Decs are done first thing in the morning the rest of the stuff late in the afternoon. |